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The Apprentice

 
  

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Tryphena Absent
09:19 / 04.04.05
Let me rephrase more politely: What possible bearing could James being gay have to any facet of this programme?
 
 
Peach Pie
09:40 / 04.04.05
Am I correct in thinking you are offended by this line of enquiry?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:18 / 04.04.05
Not offended, more confused, I just don't understand your point?

I mean, this is hardly a tantalising show about sexuality, no one's really stuck together, there's going to be no relationship bliss or anxiety so... where does James' sexuality even come into consideration?
 
 
Peach Pie
10:35 / 04.04.05
I don't think I made - or claimed to make - any point.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:38 / 04.04.05
Then why did you say it?
 
 
Olulabelle
12:21 / 04.04.05
Secret Goldfish, 'Do you think James is gay? I think James is gay' is the sort of comment one finds in a big brother chat room and Nina is quite right to query as to how you think it is relevant at all to this programme. But if you think it is it relevant, I'd like to know in what way you think it is.
 
 
Ganesh
14:59 / 04.04.05
I think you'll find the correct phrasing is

JAMES IS TEH FAGOT!!!1! ROFL!!!!!11!!!!!
 
 
■
21:07 / 04.04.05
What I find interesting (still watching) is the way Miriam's breasts have suddenly come into play after last episode's exposure. They were brought in to persuade the letch Winner very early, then were used to both comfort Tim and congratulate Paul. Forgive me, friends will know I have an unhealthy fixation.

Good to see nobby Seb get the boot. Raj was a bit cack, wasn't he?
 
 
Peach Pie
13:51 / 05.04.05
[b]JAMES IS TEH FAGOT!!!1! ROFL!!!!!11!!!!! [/b]

*sigh*

Ganesh - I think it was you who once said (on c+f) that gay men and straight women were sociolinguistically closer to each other than any other sexual demographic. I wondered if his ability to connect more adeptly than any of the other contestants to everyone - male and female - was connected to his sexuality. I don't mean on a sexual level, but in terms of self-confidence.

I'm quite open to any objections you might have to my thinking in this way, but I'd rather you tell me why.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
14:46 / 05.04.05
I'm rooting for James, gay or not, because of the Harrods episode. His carefully planned schemes were going belly up and you saw him keep the heid, nip out for a fly fag, and come back to supplicate himself before the helpful Harrods Staff and turn things around. Until last week, he had never been in a losing team.

Paul and Saira are as bad as each other, irky irky, and both should be poked in the eye by pointy-fingered Sir Al.
 
 
Peach Pie
14:55 / 05.04.05

Yes, I think I am, too.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:34 / 05.04.05
I wondered if his ability to connect more adeptly than any of the other contestants to everyone - male and female - was connected to his sexuality.

No you didn't. You said "I think James is gay" and then refused to expand. Maybe if you'd bothered to explain your thinking first time round, you wouldn't have received the response you did, hmm?
 
 
Ganesh
18:01 / 05.04.05
Ganesh

*sigh*

I think it was you who once said (on c+f) that gay men and straight women were sociolinguistically closer to each other than any other sexual demographic.

Did I? Hmm, either I misquoted or you're misremembering me; if I'm recalling The Man Who Would Be Queen correctly (and I talked about it here too), gay men tested on a variety of linguistic and behavioural dimensions, scored closest to straight men, but displayed almost twice as much variation across their scores (ie. there's more of a range of gay male behaviours than straight male behaviours - some of us are more 'feminine' than others).

I wondered if his ability to connect more adeptly than any of the other contestants to everyone - male and female - was connected to his sexuality. I don't mean on a sexual level, but in terms of self-confidence.

Possibly, although I think it's a bit of a stretch even if James is gay (and he seems straight-but-posh to me). If the sort of 'gay' interpersonal skills you're talking about were a survival trait for the business/management environment of The Apprentice, then it might be reasonable to expect more gay males to be attracted to business/management careers than is in fact the case.

So... it's a fair suggestion but I don't think that's got a great deal to do with James's success.

I'm quite open to any objections you might have to my thinking in this way, but I'd rather you tell me why.

I'd rather not. It's personal, and I'd hope you'd respect that.

*smirk*

No, really, I have no objection at all to your thinking in this way. It's even more helpful when you actually type in this way, because it generally makes for meatier discussion than "Do you think James is gay?"
 
 
Peach Pie
18:39 / 05.04.05
Fairy nuff.
 
 
Olulabelle
19:33 / 06.04.05
Project leader? My considered opinion is that Raj is actually a trick of the light.
 
 
■
19:36 / 06.04.05
What is Miriam doing with that cheese grater?
 
 
sleazenation
19:56 / 06.04.05
paul is gone and has done it to himself
 
 
sleazenation
19:57 / 06.04.05
OH no - he stays another week - but neither Raj or paul are long for this thing...
 
 
sleazenation
20:00 / 06.04.05
Saira has got a get out of jail free card in Raj - however bad she is all she has to do is be less bad than Raj, and at the moment, that isn't too hard...
 
 
Olulabelle
20:01 / 06.04.05
So who did actually buy the venison then?!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:03 / 06.04.05
I just keep thinking that Miriam's going to win this. She's collected, keeps her head together, doesn't fight but can sell things and manage people. I don't see a candidate for this job in any of the others, Saira keeps telling untruths and patronises people a lot, Paul loses it regularly, James is nice but he doesn't seem to be great at taking control, Tim's sweet but young, Raj isn't really in the running... this is getting so interesting!

I'm surprised that he kept Paul but Ben definitely wasn't shining. I think if Paul could hold his calm just once in the boardroom he might have a chance.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:03 / 06.04.05
That is a very good question Olulabelle- I guess it was Ben.
 
 
Ganesh
20:07 / 06.04.05
Irritant as she is, I think Saira's going to win. Fairly easily.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:11 / 06.04.05
You really think Sugar's going to want her?
 
 
Ganesh
20:23 / 06.04.05
I think he might, yes.
 
 
■
21:02 / 06.04.05
I think Miriam has a good chance, but I think I'd have to go along with Saira. He needs someone who has talent and drive, but who is not too set in their ways (James). He won't want Raj (too mumbly), may be interested in Paul if he just fucking calms down. Tim is a maybe, but perhaps doesn't put himself forward enough (btw, what did happen to the golf bag he nearly fucked up, as it wasn't in the auction?). Hmm. Not quite as entertaining as the original (no-one near as fucking evil as Olorosa) in the closing stages, even if it is more realistic. I wonder who they'll pull out as the Jessica Simpson for the finale. Will Young?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:43 / 06.04.05
I've got a theory.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:55 / 06.04.05
Why does Saira have to speak to people like they're both deaf and stupid? She has acquired a reputation that she could sell shades to David Blunkett but I see no evidence of it. She just gets in people's faces and won't back off till they give in. If there weren't tv cameras there, someone would have planked her by now, surely.

Can't see Big Beardy Al enjoying her company on a regular basis, should he pick her as the winner. She. Would. Drive. Him. Mad. With. Her. Fucking. Annoying. Schoolmarmy. Diction.
 
 
■
22:33 / 06.04.05
In theory, yes. She should be kicked out and told she's annoying, rude and graaagh GO AWAY YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU@RE DOING!
In practice, she's perfect. Can't you just imagine her bumbling around a big company not having a clue what's going on but being able to browbeat her subordinates into such a state of aggravated submission that they just let her get away with it? I can. Been there, seen that, hated it, left. Only really loud fuckwits get to be highly paid middle management these days, and the guys at the top know it.
 
 
Spaniel
06:24 / 07.04.05
That's that then. Thanks, Cube.
 
 
■
06:48 / 07.04.05
Oh, I'm just sticking in a prediction leavened with a healthy dose of bitterness. Who do you reckon will win, then?
 
 
Spaniel
09:56 / 07.04.05
The bitterness is understandable.

As for who's gonna win... I dunno. Saira really is fucking awful when it comes to communicating within the team. That she seems incapable of accepting criticism and listening to others, and speaks to people as if they're complete imbeciles suggests that she would be unsuited to many man management roles.

However, she can get things done, and she can sure as shit sell.

If I were Sir Alan I'd give her a job, but I'd think very carefully about what kind of job she'd be best suited to. I'd also try and avoid her as much as possible lest I accidentally crush her wind-pipe with a swift blow to the neck.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:14 / 07.04.05
He'd have to jump high to do that.
 
 
Spaniel
10:23 / 07.04.05
Yeah, but you'd have the motivation.
 
 
sleazenation
10:54 / 07.04.05
I have a sneaking suspicion that Sir Alan has already decided against Raj, Paul AND Saira and quite possibly has his doubts about James (and who wouldn't after that donkey impression). Miriam and the black bloke (who always seems to answer the phone in the morning but who has not quite made enough of an impact on me for me to remember his names) seem to have the best prospects - but i wouldn't rule james out yet...
 
  

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