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grant
23:17 / 10.06.08
It sank with a gratifying rapidity.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
05:24 / 11.06.08
Alex is trolling again, this time in the Temple. I've put the following post up for deletion.

([+] [-] Text is here for reference. )
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:20 / 11.06.08
I don't understand in what sense this is trolling. Of course, I am not a Temple moderator, so that may not be relevant.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
11:32 / 11.06.08
Well, the last three paragraphs are surely part of a long pattern of needling people entirely for the sake of getting a rise - surely that's pretty textbook trolliness?
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
12:08 / 11.06.08
Don't like the tone, but it ain't trolling.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:18 / 11.06.08
No, it isn't. Let's face it, Mordant, when it comes to AG you have hardly been innocent of escalating conflicts excessively or going for the personal jugular - all that reprehensible "you're a secret misogynist but you won't say so because it would be awkward in the [insert misfiring attempt to name actual pub AG and other Barbelith people drink in here]" stuff. I'd hope that that deletion request hasn't gone through, but you never can tell.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:53 / 11.06.08
I find it very hard to credit that Alex actually believes what he wrote in that post. It does not seem to represent a meaningful attempt to engage either with the main topic of the thread or with the art/economic subtopic.

Maybe my existing anger with this poster is indeed affecting my reading, but it looks to me like yet another example of one of Alex's signiture techniques: Pick an emotive topic (like class in this case), throw together a string of points easily refuted by anyone who cares to take a quick glance at the facts, present them in a snide and dismissive tone, watch the little fishies take the bait. If cooler heads think differently, that's fine--that's what the distributed moderation system was supposed to be for.

Let's face it, Mordant, when it comes to AG you have hardly been innocent of escalating conflicts

I don't accept that. I was extremely patient with Alex for a long time. I left offtopica alone, and even when some of his input was outright offensive I responded in a lighter manner than I might have done. (Incidentally, I don't really care very much which pub you do or do not hang out at, but as I've yet to see any meaningful reason why Alex is being permitted to engage in conduct that would and has been pulled up when other people did it I'm still kind of leaning towards the idea that the social connection may be playing a part).

Over time, Alex himself has gradually worn away any goodwill I once had towards him. I've very carefully outlined my issues with his conduct on a number of occasions and I'm reluctant to do so again for a group that has decided to ignore anything I might have to say on the matter. I will say though that I stand by my comment re: misogyny on Alex's part. There's been a number of very jarring occassions where he's dismissed and ridiculed reports of real-world sexism and dismissed and ridiculed attempts to flag sexism on Barbelith. He has consistenly prioritised his own desire to get his contrarian ya-yas over the real and damaging experiences of women in meatspace and the deeply irritating experiences of women on Barbelith. Hence: anti-feminist, shading to misog. (The fact that he does the same thing with other emotive topics--environmentalism, class issues, attempts to handle one's substance abuse problems--isn't exactly a mitigating factor).

Anyhow: that's why I read the post as trolling, perfectly happy to accept a veto on the delete, as you were.
 
 
Lurid Archive
14:21 / 11.06.08
I disagreed the delete, by the way.

From what I can tell, it is an honest attempt to engage with the topic. Having said that, the arguments offered are weak, which isn't a problem in itself of course, but they are weak enough to make one suspect that they might not be offered in good faith. Namely, it is possible to read this as another "funny" AlexG post in which he self parodies and the sillies on Barbelith take it seriously.

But my position is that you give people the benefit of the doubt even if you feel they contribute nothing of worth and judge posts on a case by case basis.
 
 
Triplets
22:41 / 13.06.08
What's wrong with that post, exactly, Mordant? As far as I can see Al Granny makes a few valid points and at the end, perhaps, descends a little into absurdem for effect, successful or not.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
01:31 / 16.06.08
Agreed; upon reading the post I admit I was very confused with the apparent desire for deletion.

Quick question: would it be possible to be pointed towards examples of Alex's dismissal and ridicule of reports of real-world sexism or attempts to flag sexism on Barbelith?
 
 
Lurid Archive
05:15 / 16.06.08
Surely the serious points in that post of AlexG are at the end, the beginning is the absurdum.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
20:18 / 16.06.08
Yep the second half of his post is fairly practical.
 
 
Lurid Archive
21:19 / 16.06.08
Its serious in the sense of being a recognisable reductio ad absurdum, rather than just...whatever the rest is.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:20 / 18.06.08
I'm quite glad I didn't post what I was originally going to say about this.

Are the levels of aggression currently displayed on what's after all only a hobby for a rapidly decreasing number of people appropriate? Well perhaps they are, but I'm not sure.

Anyway, I hope you felt better after that, Mordant; I wonder if anyone else did, though.

You paint me as a monster, but I'd never dream of having such a direct, sustained and personal go at anyone on Barbelith, regardless of how suspect I (mistakenly, in this case) found their political opinions.

I think, really, you should take a break from the board. I'm not saying this because you look to have issues with my fic suit, exactly, but just because, generally speaking, Barbelith these days seems to drive you to distraction, and it's no good for anyone.

Admittedly though, the posts in contention were a bit crap.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
10:07 / 18.06.08
Sounds pretty on the money for once.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:17 / 19.06.08
Are the levels of aggression currently displayed on what's after all only a hobby for a rapidly decreasing number of people appropriate?

Personally I'd probably be pretty annoyed if someone started making comments I percieved as unhelpful or mocking directed at my hobbies. My hobbies are pretty important to me.

A lot of people have, in the past, claimed that comments on a message board should be taken less seriously than comments made elsewhere. I don't personally think that, but what do I know?
 
 
Char Aina
16:46 / 21.06.08
Would you get aggressive, though?


I think "it's only a message board" in some ways.

I think that message boards are still communication, but I also feel the limitation of the format should be acknowledged. This is still real life, but my real life interaction with it is only visible to you as text and the occasional picture. The off the screen information that you lack alters the quality and nature of communication you can have quite drastically.

Mainly the issue for me is that it's communication at a remove. I think that can lead to misunderstanding and meanness, trolling and flaming. I reckon I've been both a victim and a perpetrator of misunderstanding or misrepresentation. It seems likely any netizen of tenure will have been on both sides of that.

As such, it is probably good to be aware that such misunderstanding happens, and take an approach to flare ups that does not assume full and complete understanding.

I think MC made an error, based on a misunderstanding of the intent of the post. I think history has led her to an understanding of Alex's behaviour that isn't necessarily accurate all the time. Of course, I have never sat down with MC, so I could be completely wrong.
 
 
Proinsias
17:09 / 21.06.08
I just put in an edit instead of a 'post reply' to my shaving thread, not sure if I should do anything, or if I've changed anything.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:23 / 21.06.08
In this life, there are questions and then answers, and then further questions leading on from the answers to the initial questions. Which answers lead, of course, to more questions.

I am sorry, Mordant Carnival, for being a pain in the arse. You've correctly identified my on-line ID as something that's deliberately set out to have a pop at your ideas, on occasion. And I don't think anything you've said here is unreasonable.

The worry is that by
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:38 / 21.06.08
I've just disagreed the fubarred request by Proinsias, I wonder, did you try and edit/change the same entry twice in quick succession? Maybe that's what causes these weird ghost requests...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:48 / 21.06.08
... seeming to sort of apologise, I look weak.

Which doesn't work for me; I feel as if I should be the King, always.
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:02 / 22.06.08
I think MC made an error, based on a misunderstanding of the intent of the post. I think history has led her to an understanding of Alex's behaviour that isn't necessarily accurate all the time. Of course, I have never sat down with MC, so I could be completely wrong.

It's understandable that, given AG's usual online persona, vis occasional forays into something other than Coyote-jokesuit wit are vulnerable to misinterpretation.
 
 
Char Aina
17:02 / 24.06.08
Yeah. I agree. That's the history I was talking about. I don't think AG plays safe enough to always be safe.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:35 / 03.07.08
Anybody else thinks it's a good idea to lock the ill-thougth, forum-hopping, Batman and Robin thread before it really gets bad? Just to be on the safe side,I have put Haus on ignore for the week and hereby vow not to post in it again, but still...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:48 / 03.07.08
No.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:50 / 03.07.08
Um. Not wishing to understate what is a very important issue, but it kind of occurs to me that the way we ban people has changed...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:53 / 03.07.08
Can we PM Tom to get the banning function fixed? And also to install an enormous crytal spitoon in the Music forum?
 
 
Triplets
22:40 / 03.07.08
I would like the Batman and Robin thread to be locked, then moved to the Headshop, then unlocked, then locked, then moved to the Policy, then moved back to the Conversation.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:02 / 04.07.08
I want all moderation to be done in the future by asking Tom to do it.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:09 / 04.07.08
Move it to Lab. Dear god we need some movement in Lab!
 
 
Bastard Tweed
19:59 / 04.07.08
I would like to sincerely thank whoever it was that removed the Batman & Robin thread from Film & Television as it would probably have been inappropriate to proceed burning it to the ground and salting the earth from which it grew.

My eyes were bleeding.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:59 / 04.07.08
You're going to love my Batman and Robin Forever thread.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:27 / 04.07.08
Tragically, I can't get the idea of Christian Bale as Batman with Shia LeBoeuf as his Robin out of my head now, Haus. With David Bowie as the soundtrack.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:49 / 05.07.08
At the moment I have to walk a mile if I want to use the internet, and it's threads like that one that keep me putting one foot in front of the other.
 
 
Tsuga
12:24 / 05.07.08
What is up with that thread? I mean, I get the idea, but the movement, the disappearing, the resurrection...are you just toying around with moderating for effect? I don't have a problem, I'm just curious.
 
  

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