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ONLY NICE THINGS
11:29 / 15.07.08
You can change your email address at the same time.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:15 / 15.07.08
That would certainly make sense. Do people do that, though? Nobody ever mentions it.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:56 / 15.07.08
I've done it when I've scrambled passwords on behalf of somebody else. I don't think people think to do it themselves generally, though - or maybe they leave it on purpose, as a way in in future. Gypsy Lantern says he scrambled his password a couple of times, but has been an active poster again since January.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:24 / 15.07.08
That's kind of what I thought. People have scrambled their passwords (or said they have) in the past and then been back quickly even when there's been a huge queue, and it's all been a mystery to me (and not in a "zomg thay has friends in hi placez- don yr tinfoil hatz guise its a conspiraceeeeeee" kind of way). It only occurred to me yesterday that getting your password back's easy if you don't change your email.

Bear in mind, though, that all this tech shit goes WAY over my head and makes me feel like I'm a particularly stupid hobbit surrounded by wizards. So apologies if that was a REALLY dumb question to which everyone but me already knew the answer. Thanks, both of you.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:15 / 16.07.08
I generally take "I have scrambled my password" to mean "I have scramble my email address and then my password", since you can't do the first once you've done the second. If one scrambles one's password without scrambling one's email address, the effect is purely symbolic, and not really a worthy topic for announcement.

Back on moderator requests - we need a topic summary for this thread. Suggest:

Tim Callahan will take a look
at Barbelith, when there's a book
He'd like to tell us all about.
So let us raise a joyful shout.
A second printing! Note it! Hark it!
It's selling through the direct market!
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
12:17 / 16.07.08
Haus, I love your summary. I started giggling here at work and got funny looks. Cheers.
 
 
Triplets
11:52 / 19.07.08
Can someone move Jub's movie prequel thread in Films, Films and Batman over to the Convo, please?
 
 
dark horse
18:25 / 21.07.08
could a moderator delete my first post in the spirit movie thread if it offends anyone? thanks!
 
 
Evil Scientist
15:05 / 22.07.08
Umm, possibly being over-twitchy, but are the Comics mods okay with that Diamond and Grant Morrison, the Early Years thread? I know people do use Barb to push their books/bands/etc from time to time, so just thought I'd flag it.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:05 / 22.07.08
I'm uneasy about it. The pair of them occasionally engage in random plugs that grot up the place a little, so I'd prefer a general "Comics Scholarship" thread that can include their stuff and links to other sequential art thought, rather than nowhere threads about their latest publication that litter the joint. Or, you know, use the Barbe-plugs thread.

Other people's thoughts?
 
 
grant
18:22 / 22.07.08
Weren't we just talking about consolidating numerous one-shot, link-plus-little-content posts into single threads?
 
 
HCE
18:29 / 22.07.08
Those posts belong in the Barbe-plug thread. They're relevant (in that they're not viagra ads or anything) but not only is there no discussion in the thread TimCallahan posted, the content that Tim does produce about GM's Batman is not in the thread for that on Barbelith, but elsewhere. It's worse than no content, it's an attempt to hoover discussion out. Even PatrickMM and others who link to fuller discussion on their own blogs at least do us the courtesy of talking here, and then providing the links for those interested in exploring their thoughts in greater depth, rather than expecting that any discussion will take place in the comments of their blogs.

Please, we really can't afford to donate now.

Of course, if they'd like to talk about their ideas here, that would be most welcome and would not only benefit Barbelith by stimulating discussion, it would probably more effectively entice people to look into buying their books. Win-win.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:43 / 22.07.08
I'd lock this one, stating in-thread and via PM why it's being locked, then ruthlessly delete any future ones.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:05 / 22.07.08
I've posted & PMed them both with policy about this, including links here. Give them a chance to respond before I move to lock anything.
 
 
TimCallahan
15:42 / 04.08.08
I'm a bit confused about the reaction here. Is the availability of the book through Diamond not something Barbelith members would be interested in? And I don't really understand the apparent double standard where it's okay for Cameron Stewart to plug the Apocalipstix release, or for Boboss to plug the Mindless Ones, but when I mention the new availability of Grant Morrison: The Early Years people get queasy about it.

I mean, it's a book on Grant Morrison. It's not a book about something completely unrelated to Barbelith interests.

What am I missing here? What's with the anxiety?
 
 
HCE
16:09 / 04.08.08
Boboss and CameronStewart are people who are (or at least were) widely active on Barbelith. They're members who happen to do other things, and since we're interested in them, we're interested in what else they do.

How old is your kid now? Did you manage to stay friends with that ex? Have you been to see any good bands lately? Do I like your new glasses? I have no idea, because you don't participate here very much. Perhaps you're just a very private person and don't want to talk about those kinds of things. That's fine. Could you talk about one of your ideas, then? You don't have to give the whole book away.

PS: Although the site is called 'Barbelith' and some people here are interested in Morrison, there's nothing I can think of that's been refused because the subject matter was seen as unrelated to the interests here (save horrible antisemitic stuff).
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:29 / 04.08.08
I'm not totally sure where we draw the line, to be honest. I'm very glad that I'm not a Comics moderator, and so don't have to worry about it overmuch. I think I would have been interested in why you had made that deal with Diamond, myself - was it a gesture of support for the direct market? A sort of initiatory alignment of your values with those of your objects of study? A sweet deal? How does the DM work for this kind of product?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:35 / 04.08.08
Also, of course, Boboss is a Comic Books moderator, so the regular Mindless Ones bumpplugs I imagine are here to stay.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
21:33 / 04.08.08
Oh Haus.
You're too much.
 
 
TimCallahan
21:58 / 04.08.08
You really want to know about my personal life? I don't think you do. I doubt you know all that much about Cameron Stewart's personal life either. I could be wrong.

I've certainly posted on Barbelith dozens of times about things unrelated to my books. Dozens? Not much, right. Well, it is for me, since I'm not one to post on message boards all that much. The only other boards I frequent are Standard Attrition (less than 50 posts) and CBR (less than 40 posts), so Barbelith is actually the place I post most regularly.

And so I get accused of showing up just for self-promotion? Seems like Barbelith isn't the most welcoming of members to its little community. That's too bad.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:18 / 04.08.08
It's basic netiquette - hardly something particular to Barbelith - and I can only imagine that your exposure to message boards must be very limited if you're honestly surprised by the reaction you've received this time around.

Cameron's been here since before the place was Barbelith, which was long before he was the name he is now. So, yes, those of us who've been here for a similar length of time do know those kinds of things about him. You *are* wrong.

Basically, if you're going to use the place primarily as a promotional tool, you should probably consider a flagging in Policy and a single, simple thread lock to be an unusally lenient response.

Barbelith is not advertising hoarding for random strangers. I don't know what it is any longer, but it's certainly not that.
 
 
TimCallahan
01:57 / 05.08.08
I completely understand what you're saying, but it looks like a strange reaction from my end, because we're talking about a book addressing the work of Grant Morrison. It's the first book written about him, honestly, and I know Barbelith has gone out of its way to distance itself from its origins, but one glance at the comics threads and you'll see Morrison being talked about more than any other creator. That's why I'd even bring up a mention of the book at Barbelith.

So I do think the content of the "advertising" is relevant to the board. I know this isn't the Bendis board, and I'm about to make a bad analogy here, but if someone posted on the Bendis board saying, "hey, we're releasing this book about Bendis, with an interview with Bendis," I don't think there would be any backlash. I would imagine people would be excited to hear the news. But at Barbelith -- and I know it's very different -- people seemed annoyed. That's why I'm surprised by the reaction.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:09 / 05.08.08
My thoughts on this issue have changed from where they were a year or two ago. I would only suggest Tim that, since the search function on Barbelith is so rubbish, that you might want to keep your announcements in one thread, especially as you seem to be trying to build up a definitive overview of the boy Morrison's career. I don't see the harm otherwise.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:03 / 05.08.08
And so I get accused of showing up just for self-promotion?

I was the one that flagged it up in this thread and thought I made it pretty clear that I was uncertain whether or not it was acceptable. I can't see anyone accusing you of showing up simply for self-promotion. But when I checked your profile, it didn't look like you've been particularly active since joining. I was a little concerned a dormant suit had been re-activated just to push a book. Hence asking if the Comic Mods were okay with it.

It's not a personal attack.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:47 / 05.08.08

So I do think the content of the "advertising" is relevant to the board. I know this isn't the Bendis board, and I'm about to make a bad analogy here, but if someone posted on the Bendis board saying, "hey, we're releasing this book about Bendis, with an interview with Bendis," I don't think there would be any backlash. I would imagine people would be excited to hear the news. But at Barbelith -- and I know it's very different -- people seemed annoyed. That's why I'm surprised by the reaction.


Well, as you say, it's very different. Barbelith wasn't intended as a Grant Morrison fan site - it was an aspirational title referencing a shift in thinking and values. It was only the magic of Google that means that the only people who turn up here now are looking for a Grant Morrison fan site.

Having said which, there is an expectation of interest from and in some quarters - although there's a question about whether that's a good thing; I have long resisted the urge to start an auction here for my copy of Lovely Biscuits, which is different again.

I think people get irked when they feel like they are only being addressed when the other party wants them to buy something - see Jason Louv's signed copy of the Invisibles issue 1, or John H Williams III, who got quite a bit of pushback - but it isn't wholly consistent - Keiron Gillen gets a relatively easy ride, but I think that is in part because he was ready to keep talking about Phonogram even when it was physically impossible to buy a copy.

Cameron may hang around chatting on Barbelith less than he used to - but, really, outside the Late Shift who doesn't? - but he's been here a long time, and has shown a willingness to talk about things generally. Boboss has not only been here ages, but has served enough time as a moderator and general cat-herder that he's probably entitled with our collective blessing to tell us about a new project he has embarked upon. If it takes discussion away from Barbelith, perhaps that's just Darwinism, just as the once-common cybering has probably largely moved onto Livejournal, Myspace, Xanga and the like.

It's a judgement call - and one which, ultimately, the remaining Comics mods probably have to make. I used to be quite hardline about this, but it occurs to me that the audience for comic books in general, before we even get onto books about one part of one comic book writer's output, is so small and dwindling that providing a platform for sales pushes may count as a good deed for the day.
 
 
HCE
17:50 / 05.08.08
Tim, why are you ignoring the parts of my posts where I suggest talking about the content of your book as a way of engaging people's interest?
 
 
TimCallahan
01:18 / 06.08.08
Thanks for the clarifications. I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

And I'd love to talk about the content of the book. What do you want to know? (I've answered the one question that was asked in the "Diamond" thread.)
 
 
TimCallahan
01:21 / 06.08.08
Oh, and I did search to try to find the old thread before posting that new one. But I just couldn't find it. I tried "Morrison book" and "sequart" and I wasn't able to get the original thread back. I probably could have looked harder, I suppose.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:50 / 06.08.08
Barbelith search is utterly useless. You're always better advised to go to google and preface your search with site:http://www.barbelith.com. There's no reason why anyone should be expected to know that - it's just a thing you pick up.

The original thread was here. Shocking absence of focus on Judge Judy Janus.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
13:19 / 06.08.08
Can someone please lock Torquemada's thread in the Conversation before a single response, so that it can be preserved forever as the beautiful piece of art it is? Never before have I seen a single topic summary and post perfectly depict the full spectrum of FAIL: Self-importance, hypocrisy, laziness, spite, it's all there! Wow.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:44 / 06.08.08
Too late, I'm afraid. I am, however, thinking that the suit should be put forwards to Tom as a candidate for locking - born 2002, claims to have had problems on here before, and yet has only ever managed to construct a single thread - the one in question - and posts that still haven't broken three digits.

Failtroll is fail, in other words.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:58 / 06.08.08
Oh, he's kosher, in the sense of his story checking out - he was the one with the baby-killing Bengalis of old Whitechapel town. Lotsa yuks, in a thread where a whole bunch of people managed to reveal that they held some pretty tricky views.
 
 
Evil Scientist
14:14 / 06.08.08
So you kids want to give that insta-ban a try with him? Might as well strike whilst the iron is hot.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:20 / 06.08.08
Anybody got a problem with that?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:31 / 06.08.08
Nope.
 
  

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