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ONLY NICE THINGS

10:09 / 21.07.07

I would imagine that I disagreed it, somebody re-proposed it - either Kali or WP, at a guess - and you then agreed it, Stoatie.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

14:21 / 21.07.07

Ah, would make sense. I agreed it because, even though we don't have an SBR forum, and aren't likely to soon, it was more like moving a thread than changing the content. Though I get your point about it not being an "official" non-existent forum, if you see what I mean.

I am currently reminded of that Dilbert cartoon where he's reading a hints book for his favourite golf game. "You're reading a book about a simulation of something that's almost a sport? That's about as close to being a non-organic life form as you can get".

ONLY NICE THINGS

07:29 / 23.07.07

Well, the moral of the story is that if your mod request is disagreed, just keep resubmitting it. Eventually, you'll get lucky.

15:52 / 23.07.07

If the worried aren't prepared to speak up, then the hell with them.

Many of them have left the board, yes.

I appreciate you don't want to have this conversation anymore, Randy. I'm not going to pretend I am satisfied with this ending, but I will accept it.

16:10 / 23.07.07

It's not really getting either of us anywhere, is it? I don't want to end up losing my rag or spending more time sucking my own - increasingly limited - enjoyment out of being logged in here by continuing it, y'know?

I will say, though, that if people are leaving because they're not happy with, I dunno, the atmosphere or whatever - as opposed to being totally fed up with the software being totally stuck in this vaguely useless form and the issues that spin off from that - then, again, oh well. Not prepared to stick around and try and effect the sort of change that doesn't require coding jiggery-pokery? Oh well. Not sure what else can be said on that front.

On this:

Haus: Well, the moral of the story is that if your mod request is disagreed, just keep resubmitting it. Eventually, you'll get lucky.

I would quite like to have some confirmation as to exactly what happened here and I don't think it's too much to ask that it be provided. This - the picture that haus is painting - happened a few times in the past and was defined at the time as a misuse of moderator powers.

The veto's there for a reason, people. Don't start fucking with it.

18:53 / 23.07.07

I also agreed the change to the topic title, but never knew anything about a veto. It's not like vetoed actions show up as such - they just vanish off the queue.

18:53 / 23.07.07

Oh, and I have no memory of who submitted the change. Might have been Kali.

21:02 / 23.07.07

Yeah, sorry. Get a bit rrrrggggg fffff about the possibility of moderation actions being killed without the initiator being messaged / vetoed then resubmitted regardless, without proper explanation.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

21:35 / 23.07.07

This - the picture that haus is painting - happened a few times in the past and was defined at the time as a misuse of moderator powers.

Well, I don't know about anyone else but I had no idea it had already been submitted once and rejected. As grant says, we don't get to see that.

21:49 / 23.07.07

No, I know. I meant the resubmitting, not the agreeing.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

22:04 / 23.07.07

Ah, right.

ONLY NICE THINGS

22:55 / 23.07.07

Well, I didn't manage to notify the original proponent in good time - distracted by real world. The second proposal might have been from someone else - another moderator or the thread starter - who had been grasped suddenly by the same thought - and then approved. So, hoom.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

04:33 / 24.07.07

Spatula Clarke Not prepared to stick around and try and effect the sort of change that doesn't require coding jiggery-pokery? Oh well. Not sure what else can be said on that front.

Well, I posted this elsewhere and everyone decided to talk about otters instead:

So I was wondering, with a free board, providing we have the ability to shut down registrations so people have to email us, and providing moderation can be done so that moderators have to vote on requests, is there anything else that we would really need in the short term to experiment with 'the replacement for Barbelith'? I'm wondering if worrying about having everything perfect from the word go means that we're never going to manage to get anywhere and just end up grumbling about Tom...

16:25 / 24.07.07

Really, I think a phpBB (or something similar, like drupal or whatever) would be fine - it's the distributed moderation thing that I like.

16:32 / 24.07.07

I don't even think we need those things. We had to shut down registration here because... well, because it's Barbelith. And a new board wouldn't be.

This, incidentally, is a good thing.

Same goes for moderation. I'm not convinced that distributed moderation has solved anything, or at least hasn't solved more problems than it's created. Nice idea in principle, hasn't proved to be particularly useful in practice.

I think what we'd need from a new board, for most people to accept it as a real alternative, would be a clear visual identity from the off - creates the impression that we're moving into a new home, rather than just renting a place temporarily while we carry on searching. Which in turn means that we just need somebody with the time and energy to be able to come up with that, then get it hosted, then either agree to administrate it properly or else hand control over to somebody else who could.

Open membership, standard moderation - but visisble and discussed - no Google indexing.

16:33 / 24.07.07

Sorry, cross-post with grant.

I'm prepared to accept that I may be the only person here who doesn't like distributed moderation.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

18:26 / 24.07.07

Personally, it's the limits of distributed moderation that I have a problem with, the ones that only really matter when there's less people around (not moderating all fora, as though I'm going to be sensible in comics but get poisoned by the mercury fumes in the Temple) or less Tom around (kicking people off). Otherwise I don't mind moderation...

23:43 / 24.07.07

It seemed more appropriate to post a response to these most recent posts here.

15:42 / 26.07.07

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

22:08 / 26.07.07

Hehe. I just came here to say that I'd just proposed that exact same action.

15:56 / 29.07.07

These last few posts read like Spatula is suggesting the board move into G&G and camp out there as a sort of new board within a board. The suggestion being that it's a place not much inhabited and all that.

Made me laugh and then I realised it was not that at all.

19:38 / 31.07.07

So what is to be done from the Iron Man Movie Thread? Granted, it's a thread for a film that's at least twelve months from release, but unlike, say, the Transformers thread, it appears to have competely and totally derailed into a 'discussion' of the nature of fantasy, science fiction, and assorted topics therein.

Only it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and has, of late, become a Dead Megatron and Haus / Jack Fear contré-temps. Or, possibly, a folie a deux.

Would a temporary lock be the way forward? A month, three months, six months?

ONLY NICE THINGS

20:37 / 31.07.07

I'd say ignore it, personally. Let it stink, then let it sink. When the movie actually comes out, somebody can start a new thread. In a perfect world we wouldn't have these embarrassing threads where rubbish is talked about films that will not appear for ages, but it does seem to be the will of the people.

If we feel like flexing our moderator muscles a bit, we could lock it. There's not much likelihood that anything very interesting will happen in it for the next eight months or so. Everyone can move on to Ghost Rider II, or whatever. However, the next question would be whether this is a policy statement about long-tail preview threads - that they will in general be locked.

21:35 / 31.07.07

I don't see the harm in the Iron Man thread. But then again, I've never really understood the need for threads in general to stay rigorously 'on-topic', especially when they're to do with material that won't see the light of day for some months in any case.

If this sort of thing seems so personally troubling that locking it (in the absence of a serious breach of board policy) is something that you might seriously consider, then perhaps just not reading it might be a reasonable way forward?

Given that traffic on Barbelith is pretty much in the doldrums at the moment, then wouldn't locking anything that people are actually replying to smack of over-moderation, a bit?

Well, perhaps not.

If you do try and shut down the Iron Man thread though, Feverfew, and you succeed, maybe you could attempt to start a discussion of general interest (one that lasted more than, say, twenty posts) to replace it? It'd seem only germane, somehow.

22:04 / 31.07.07

As long as we can stop with the awful attempts to try and define stupid genres that were happening in the thread until recently, then I'm not sure there's not much need for a lock or anything else. I mean, it's not like there aren't other threads just as bad.

06:36 / 01.08.07

If you do try and shut down the Iron Man thread though, Feverfew, and you succeed, maybe you could attempt to start a discussion of general interest (one that lasted more than, say, twenty posts) to replace it? It'd seem only germane, somehow.

A fair point. All I can say in reply to that is that the Hot Fuzz thread survived inception prior to release without speculative argument, and made it to 87 replies. Other than that, yes, my threads have a tendency to die on the vine.

I don't want The Iron Man thread 'shut down' at all - I think the discussion of genre had some potential, somewhere down the line, and over the next twelve months there's obviously going to be more information to add in. It's just that currently the thread is cloudy, and in the absence of available information speculation has become argument. Not to mention metamockery.

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:49 / 01.08.07

As long as Dead Megatron stops talking about the war in Iraq in a manner akin to someone who once caught a glimpse of a magazine article about some French guy (Beaudilair or something?), while high, then I'm happy for the thread to carry on regardless, like the Beautiful South.

ONLY NICE THINGS

08:25 / 01.08.07

People start threads about films a year before they are released, with almost no information, and those threads will pile up with nonsense, though. You cite the Transformers thread, but that was held together with threadrot - mainly discussion of the toy and comic lines from the 80s, punctuated by links to updates on various rumour sites and a protracted meltdown from Dead Megatron, without which no such thread would be complete.

However, the Transformers had a lot of prior interest and affection, whereas you would probably have to be on dog crack to be that nostalgic about 1980s Iron Man comics. It's a B-list project, essentially, about which there is not a lot to say. This will not prevent a lot from being said, of course, but once the film actually comes out things should calm down.

23:50 / 03.08.07

There's an old thread where you can list what forum(s) you'd like to moderate, but it's years old and got left for a reason I think, so :

Creation. There's not many mods in there, and I'd happily help if needed. Why? Well I'm getting right into creative things again and I can't see it being anything but a help to me aswell if I modded there, because I'd probably come across more things that are useful that I might have missed otherwise.

I mean, Temple : I check that forum first nearly every time but I wouldn't want to mod in there anymore. (not really sure why but I just wouldn't, and would decline if asked.) Film TV & Theatre and Comics : I'd loathe the thought of checking posts and finding spoilers so no way either, but Creation would be something that would help me aswell, so if it's decided that more mods are needed, I'll be glad to do it.

Sorry if this is the wrong thread too, but if so could you point me to the right one? Should I maybe bump the old one or message Tom?

Another reason, and perhaps the main one : I sometimes have dull phases where I don't do anything, and if I was requested to mod something that was interesting to me on checking through it, it might help me get moving with the creative stuff again, so that'd be great.

14:00 / 10.08.07

Hello? Comic mods? Can someone fix the spelling error in this post? I put in the moderation request two days ago? Hello? Is anybody out there? Can anybody hear me? I feel like I'm in Day of the Dead.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

15:29 / 10.08.07

Well, you could try putting it in again yerself you know. Never mind, I've just done it. Daddy's here, Ssh, shh...

MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!

15:30 / 10.08.07

And BAM. Squeaky wheel gets mod grease!

12:12 / 14.08.07

Can the Alabama 3 thread in Music get an abstract? Ta.

Regrettable Juvenilia

10:14 / 31.08.07

I don't know about anybody else, but I am *so* not agreeing to put photos of Princess Swashbuckling into every single post he had made that are not "in character" as the ghost of Princess Diana.

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:49 / 31.08.07

I should have disagreed them when I had the chance. SADFACE.

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