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I'm still not completely sure that I'm not walking straight into an attempted bearding by trying to explain this.
I was not familiar with the 'bearding' game until now, so no, you are safe from the feared ridicule.
[+] [-] for randy
There's not anybody rushing to your defence on this one
In my experience there rarely is. Who do you think might?
I get positive affirmation from maybe three or four members at most on barbelith, with the occasional thanks or similar where appropriate. People are in general loth to give me the mad props for getting shit right, as far as I can tell. I don't know why, but I suspect it may be to do with my spiky nature and my lack of willingness to bend.
Generally, if Barbelith people don't agree, they say so.
Well, sure. The ones who post do. What about the ones who just leave the board? Or the folk who have disagreements that they would ideally like sorted out, but that they don't foresee pleasant resolution and so steer clear?
It's not like people are usually shy to post if they think somebody's getting a rough deal.
Pardon my incredulity, but how on earth can you presume to know that? How can you be sure that the worried do speak up, and that they don't cut their losses or shake their head? I don’t think those who speak up should be seen as proof that all who have a reason do so. I’m sure you have deleted such a post in your time, thinking better of it.
If they don't post, of course, then we can hardly heed their concerns. But it seems a bit much to ignore the possibility that some people are dissuaded (by people, events, themselves, etc) from responding. Perhaps they might feel it would be a lot of hard work or that it would likely achieve very little. Perhaps occasionally both, as I have felt. From off-board conversations with other members I have discovered I am not alone in occasionally thinking it isn’t worth the effort required to raise an issue about the board or the actions of one or more of it’s members.
I’ve certainly felt that way (and acted accordingly), and I feel like I'm pretty hard to shut up. Some members are harder to discuss such things with, of course. There are some members whose behaviour I would think long and hard about before discussing it with them. Perhaps those who would call you to task find you to be such a member? I don’t find you that hard to talk to myself, but then personality is a funny thing.
As you yourself admitted, your earlier post was an angry post. When I asked you about it, you seemed to think I was acting for Mathlete as devil’s advocate, and that to do so was invalid by dint of being boring. I wasn’t, however. I was acting for myself, and the board I would like to exist. On that board, I am allowed (in the sense that I can do so without being attacked for doing so) to ask you for clarification of statements, and I am allowed to point out when I feel a member is being treated unfairly, no matter how that member is perceived or has acted.
I do think it makes it very hard to check perceived excessive or inappropriate actions perpetrated by fellow members if interrogating an anti-troll action gets you hell. On occasion that hell seems to be painted as a hell of one’s own choosing, a hell for collaborators and apologists. (See shadowsax/ganesh/flyboy)
I don’t believe that Mathlete deserved to lose his right to being treated fairly (nor should he even if his actions had been more severe) and I don’t think you were being fair.
But aye.
I apologise for this, a massive post bereft of moderation requests in the middle of a thread about moderation requests. I felt it was something other people aware of the previous conversation might be interested to understand more fully. I am aware that may not be the case, and will of course happily continue this conversation over PM or email instead if Randy wishes.
Of course, maybe I'm one of those ones who is hard to talk to for you, Randy, and you won't see conversation with me as an endeavour likley to end well... in that case
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