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Transformers: the Movie (dir. Michael Bay, 2007) - SPOILERS

 
  

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Dead Megatron
19:08 / 03.07.07
no one else loved the Soundwave-centric youtube video up above

I so did. Poor outdated method actorbot
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
06:29 / 04.07.07
Call me an idiot but I liked it.

I was expecting the following:

Giant robots
Explosions
Some kind of hackneyed Bay love story.

I actually think that, while it was obviously a Michael Bay movie, it wasn't AS obviously a Michal Bay movie as something like Bad Boys. I always got the feeling that Bay took his action movies way too seriously, trying to make them out to be high cinema. In Transformers I think Bay realized that he was making a popcorn movie with giant robots, and I think by not taking it too seriously he managed to finally make a movie worth watching.

I was entertained for my 8 bucks, and not the kind of falling asleep entertained like the last two Pirates movies, but edge of my seat, 'what the fuck happens next?' entertained. I mean, the ending was never in doubt, but watching giant robots fight puny humans and each other, totally rad.

I was, like Haus and Fly above, pretty suprised by the wacky 'funny' racism. I am not sure why 2 of 3 African American characters had grandmothers that they hated. The third, as soldier sidekick, was pretty much the stock soldier sidekick.

I wonder if people whose opinion of the Transformers is based on the Marvel UK comics will see it differently then those whose opinion is based on the original cartoon. I haven't ever gotten my hands on the comics, but it seems like they were more serious in tone, and the movie is not. The movie evokes the cartoon's goofyness, where after averting disaster Grimlock might break something and everyone goes "Oh Grimlock!" and the scene freezes while the credits roll.
 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
16:54 / 04.07.07
Haus - Thanks for that, so pretty much as one might expect it would appear.

I get the impression that this film is very much from the human perspective which was, if jaded memory serves, hardly the focus in the comics/cartoons. Shame really as it was the transformer characters and character implicit in those originals that made it so compelling to my young brain.

Anyways, enough speculatin' on my part, I'll come back with some verbiage when I finally get to see it in like...umm...a month *rips out own optics in despair*.
 
 
Ticker
14:34 / 05.07.07
Saw it last night and while I enjoyed it there were somethings I felt were unhelpful or in the way. the long-looking-for-glasses-musn't-out-the bots in the garden could have been cut to give more screen time to developing the bots' characters.

I think Starscream of old would have been trying to locate the mcguffin without rousing Megatron, and I missed his conniving scheming.

The handwaving about how Megatron gets taken down confused me. I had been running with the replace matrix with spark and perhaps mistakenly assumed Prime was offering to merge the all-spark with his leadership-spark but maybe in the movieverse all the bots have some sort of spark that will go splody?

Dunno.


there were more things I liked than disliked about the movie, and the lips and flames didn't really distract, nor the plane versus pistol etc.

Did what it said on the tin.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:13 / 05.07.07
The spark is a lift from, or nod to, Beast Wars - in effect, the spark is the Transformer's soul - everybody's got one. The Allspark, by extension, is the Matrix - more correctly, it is the Creation Matrix,
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
15:27 / 05.07.07
So Megatron getting the cube crammed in his chest was like getting a jumpstart from the soul of his robot god. Or something.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:59 / 05.07.07
Well, not exactly. Prime sets it up earlier in the film by saying that if he has to, he will merge the allspark with his spark, destroying both. So, allspark + sparkless technology = transformer. Allspark + spark-possessing technology (i.e. Transformer) = destructo, as far as I can make out.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:04 / 05.07.07
Right, I actually left out another sentence I built in my head, which compared merging with the all spark to having your body destroyed by the voice of god. More power then Man (or Machine in this case) was meant to make contact with.

On the topic of the spark, I didn't necessarily see the spark converting all tech into evil machinery, as much as it seemed to turn it into mindless rampaging technology. Perhaps even the fanciest Earth tech doesn't have the ability to gain sentience in the way Cybertronian technology does.

The functioning does raise an interesting question that I am sure will never be answered on film (it may have been answered elsewhere). Were the Transformers just regular vehicles until the all spark changed them, or were the designed as robots who could transform?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:26 / 05.07.07
Well, there's the cartoon-continuity answer, and the comic-continuity answer, although in both cases a) the allspark/spark thing does not work the same way and b) the robots are designed as transforming robots, either by Primus or the Quintessons.

I'm so alone.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:06 / 05.07.07
(Oh, and I think the allsparked robots on Earth were wild, weren't they? Rather than evil. I took that to mean that there were various intricacies in using the allspark to create Autobots or Decepticons that the humans didn't know about, and that if you just blasted technology with allspark energy you got mindless, savage robots.)
 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
18:28 / 05.07.07
I'm so alone.

If you're talking the the Gen 1 slang then I'm with ya. Anything else I'll just have to be there in principal but not belief. It all started going horribly wrong with Headmasters I swear and I for one just have to draw a line around my childhood obsession!
 
 
Ticker
18:37 / 05.07.07
Thanks for clearing that up Low Tar Haus.
The Quintessons always freaked me out as a child. Just icky.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
19:42 / 05.07.07
Was the headmasters the part that led to the little Marvel imprint image of a transformer ripping its own head off?
 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
21:52 / 05.07.07
Dunno dude but it was teh BEGINNING OF DE END
 
 
adamswish
22:31 / 05.07.07
seen the trailer (fortunately girlfriend was sat two seats from me {really bad old odean in town} and couldn't hear my geekgasm); seen the toys (and cool they've got Cybertron versions of Optimus and Starscream as well as the normal vehicle to robots) and flicked through the "prequel" comic book.

God I hope this does well for no other reason than the process of selling my old Transformer toys on ebay will be made easier (what do you think: £50 for the five Technobots including instructions for their transforming and creation of Computron not to mention all the weapons and data cards [including that little strip of red plastic that allowed you to read the "secret" graph".)
 
 
Triplets
22:40 / 05.07.07
Girlfriend?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
01:43 / 06.07.07
Just saw it and LOVED it.

It's a movie about robots fighting each other. One shouldn't expect a decent plotline as I can guarantee you all were doing the same thing I did.

Waiting for the Autobots and Decepticons to have it out, all smashy-smashy style.

(If you weren't, well, then why did you bother?)

It was like being a kid all over again when Optimus Prime first appeared, that elation, that joy, that "Wahey! It's one of my favourite heroes EVER!"

A bit disappointed with the Megatron/Optimus showdown, though, but whatevs. I lurrrrved it.

A childhood dream come true.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:05 / 06.07.07
There was a little too much waiting, for my liking. The drawn out beginning is fine, and good, but there's some very obvious stuff to cut: the hacker plotline is essentially the d- or even e-plot, and is treated as such in that it never really gets an ending.
 
 
Rhayader
11:13 / 06.07.07
I think I had a few epiletic seizures during the second half of the movie, I couldn't actually understand what was happening in the screen, with all that shit flying around. If tou can make CGI effects that good, why can't you make them understandable? Whose foot was that? Who kicked who, where? Who killed who? Should I care? Why? Oversaturation brings boredom. My eyes will hurt for about a week.
I have no problem with big, loud, dumb fun, but this was way off the mark, with an incomprehensible screenplay and cringing attempts of humour that made me convulse in my seat. The almost non existent plot was full of holes, and was basically American Pie Vs. Independence Day. Lots of clumsy fanservice. It depresses me the amount of positive feedback this shit is having, and the inevitable sequels to come.
I'm like an old man rambling, please carry on with the excitement.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
12:24 / 06.07.07
If there's one thing you should NOT expect from a Michael Bay film coherent plotline ranks pretty high up the list, if not at number one.
 
 
Ticker
13:08 / 06.07.07
yes ditch the hacker sub plot for more 'bot interaction.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:42 / 06.07.07
The only point of the hacker subplot seemed to be to introduce a minstrel character, which was very odd. I quite sincerely believe that they wrote and cast the entire movie, then thought "Oh, crap" and hurriedly wrote in a couple of roles for black actors - hence the utterly superfluous hacker character and Josh DuHamel's faithful companion, Sergeant Faithful Companion.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:10 / 06.07.07
>> I think I had a few epiletic seizures during the second half of the movie, I couldn't actually understand what was happening in the screen, with all that shit flying around. If tou can make CGI effects that good, why can't you make them understandable?

Yeah....the big fights in the streets at the end were so full of shakycam/jumpcuts that it really became a jumbled mess. They needed to throw in a few more long shots where we could clearly see two big robots fighting each other.

As I recall, this whole thing of Big Fight Scenes With So Many Super-Fast Jumpcuts And Shakycam so that the viewer cannot really tell what's going on for about 10 min. straight has become a distressing (well, to me, anyway) trend in big action/popcorn movies (a few fights in the Lord of the Rings movies are like this, as is the final subway fight between Ra's and Bats in BATMAN BEGINS).

I did really groove on hearing Peter Cullen throughout the film as Optimus, though.
 
 
gridley
14:29 / 06.07.07
As I recall, this whole thing of Big Fight Scenes With So Many Super-Fast Jumpcuts And Shakycam so that the viewer cannot really tell what's going on for about 10 min. straight has become a distressing (well, to me, anyway) trend in big action/popcorn movies

Yeah, some of those fight scenes can lose me too. I suspect the actions look a lot clearer they're just computerized stick figures, but by the time, the SFX folks finish CGI rendering everything around those skeletons, it loses clarity and becomes a confusing mess of movement.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:33 / 06.07.07
at the very end, as the credits are rolling, there was the shot of a comet-like thing (obviously supposed to be a Transformer, or a new Transformer) shooting out above the Earth's atmosphere -- although I only glanced at it as I was leaving the theater and wasn't clear on whether it was entering or leaving Earth's atmo. Can anyone provide any clarity on this? (of course it seems to be setting something up for a sequel - either "A NEW TRANSFORMER ARRIVES" or "ONE OF THE DECEPTICONS ESCAPED AND IS LEAVING TO INVITE MORE TO WAKE UP THEIR EEEEVIL BROTHERS FROZEN BELOW EARTH'S SEAS!"

(speaking of potential new Transformers, it was interesting that Optimus at the end invites all other Autobots who might have been hanging around Earth to come forward and say hi. I thought only Optimus arrived recently w/his crew, in the movie's continuity, so to speak?)

Oh, and Hugo Weaving's voice was barely recognizable amidst all the effects put on it, I thought. He really barely said much at all.

And Optimus' lips didn't bother me at all.
 
 
CameronStewart
17:52 / 06.07.07
It was Starscream, flying out of the Earth's atmosphere and into space, presumably to regroup in "Transformers 2: The Transformening".

Also Optimus was signalling for other Autobots scattered around the galaxy to come to Earth, not ones already on Earth.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:33 / 06.07.07
ah, ok, thanks Cam.

another thought: I thought Bumblebee 'speaking' by using bits of phrases picked up via radio transmissions was clever.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:10 / 06.07.07
It was balls. Why would you send the one member of your team who is incapable of communicating in anything other than Herbie the Lovebug style to make first contact? This goes down as the second most cretinous thing Optimus Prime has ever done.
 
 
Hieronymus
20:17 / 06.07.07
I'm going to regret asking this but... what was the first thing?
 
 
Aertho
20:52 / 06.07.07
5 bucks says it has something to do with Ultra Magnus.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:12 / 06.07.07
It was balls. Why would you send the one member of your team who is incapable of communicating in anything other than Herbie the Lovebug style to make first contact?

Didn't Mr. Fixerbot explain that herbie couldn't talk because his voice system was damaged while on earth. Either by fighting with Mr. Copcar or in the landing.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
22:30 / 06.07.07
I believe it was the landing.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
22:39 / 14.07.07
Optimus's pointless speechifying

Surely, dude, that's what Optimus Prime does. I know for me Optimus's speechifying was what took the movie from one I would have quite enjoyed to one I thought was great.
 
 
Dead Megatron
02:46 / 15.07.07
Just got back from a premiere to which i scored a ticket.

One word: sweet.

One thing I thought I would not like but ended up finding quite good was Megatron. Didn't look like I remembered, but felt like I remembered.

Very cool (albeit only briefly hinted) design for Cybertron


Plot line for the sequel:

Shockwave comes to Earth and, with Starscream and other recently arrived Decepticons help (and possibily some evil humans) retrieves Megatron body to use the Allspark energies still in him to build their new army: the Constructions (Starscream may use the oportunity to shine in the big screen by humiliating a revided but incapacitated Megatron - that is, until Megatron is fully rebuilt and kicks his ass) while the Autobots - with reinforcements as well - use the shard of the Allspark in their possession to do the same and build a new super-warrior: Grimlock!

Final battle: Optimus Prime versus Megatron round 2 + autobots versus decepticons + Grimlock versus Constructicons assembled into Devastator.

In the end, the Allspark is remade.


We can leave the origin of the Allspark and Unicron for part 3.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:04 / 15.07.07
"Don't die, Officer Parkman," cried Soundwave, "You're my hero!"
 
  

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