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Transformers: the Movie (dir. Michael Bay, 2007) - SPOILERS

 
  

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Ticker
01:18 / 18.07.06
Mummy, is Kurt Russell going to be voicing the Porkchop Express?

I heart The Triplets of Bell Air and my Six-demon Bag!
 
 
Triplets
01:59 / 18.07.06
To make this day even more Carpentery I rewatched Prince of Darkness* tonight with my brother (first viewing). I totally forgot Wang Chi's in it! And he kicks the shit out of a wall!




* still totally horrific - this is not a dream!
 
 
Ticker
17:18 / 18.07.06
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That movie freaks me out. The DJ Shadow samples of it freak me out too.

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Dead Megatron
20:50 / 18.07.06
I honestly don't see the problem with that Peterbilt version of Optimus. They're huge trucks and perfectly apt for the big guy.

I agree, the truck model is fine. It's the flames motif that bugs me: it's too adolescent, and I always tought of Prime as a "guy" in his "40s" (personality and maturity wise). You know, the older, more experienced warrior.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:42 / 19.07.06
I think it might be a disguise. As in "robots in disguise". Rather than a tattoo he got to look "kewl".
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:19 / 19.07.06
It's the flames motif that bugs me: it's too adolescent

It's Transformers, for crying out fucking loud. It's. For. The. Kids.

You. Are. Not. The. Kids.
 
 
Ticker
13:56 / 19.07.06
I.AM.TOO.THE.KIDS!

...in fact I like to think I was one of the first kids.

Besides we all saw what happend to the Star Wars Universe when they started catering to the kinder and justifying crappiness that a-way. Bleargh!
 
 
Spatula Clarke
17:48 / 19.07.06
Yes. And Star Wars was another franchise that was suffocated by the people who grew up with it, who put a ridiculous amount of importance onto what was a basic, good-times adventure serial in movie form. And guess what? The kids *did* like Jar-Jar. So it's tough shit, really - I'm sure Lucas wept for the fans he'd disappointed while his accountant told him how much he'd made from the merchandise.

You were the kids. I was the kids. We're not any longer and it'd be a crying shame if the current kids were denied something that speaks to them and that they can get into because a bunch of people in their late 20s and early 30s can't accept that they don't get to define cool for every generation that follows.

The type of vehicle each robot turns into makes all the difference in the world, clearly. Look what they've done to Bumblebee! It's teh criminal act of teh century!!!11!eleven! Even though production of the car that this character originally turned into stopped a fair few years ago. OMG SPEED FLAMES ON TEH PRIME!! Even though Hot Rod had the same kind of detail and was widely considered by our gen to be the coolest of the toys/characters to have appeared at that point.

Mars has a blue sky! I'm going to hunt Bay down and kill him! Because, of course, it's of paramount importance that everything in this film - a film about robots from a metal planet who crash land on ours after a big space battle and, when figuring out how to disguise themselves, make the mistake of concluding that the most intellectually advanced species on the planet are motor vehicles - should be realistically accurate.
 
 
Hieronymus
19:08 / 19.07.06
Mars has a blue sky! I'm going to hunt Bay down and kill him! Because, of course, it's of paramount importance that everything in this film - a film about robots from a metal planet who crash land on ours after a big space battle and, when figuring out how to disguise themselves, make the mistake of concluding that the most intellectually advanced species on the planet are motor vehicles - should be realistically accurate.

That's a bit overblown don't you think? No one's advocated killing Michael Bay for any of this. And hell, the man's on record as saying the teaser was just something he very quickly cobbled together to do what it's supposed to do.... tease fans for a movie that's only just begun filming.

I don't begrudge the guy for filming in Nevada.

Mars is fuggin' expensive to shoot on.
 
 
Ticker
16:54 / 20.07.06
Yes. And Star Wars was another franchise that was suffocated by the people who grew up with it, who put a ridiculous amount of importance onto what was a basic, good-times adventure serial in movie form. And guess what? The kids *did* like Jar-Jar. So it's tough shit, really - I'm sure Lucas wept for the fans he'd disappointed while his accountant told him how much he'd made from the merchandise.

You were the kids. I was the kids. We're not any longer and it'd be a crying shame if the current kids were denied something that speaks to them and that they can get into because a bunch of people in their late 20s and early 30s can't accept that they don't get to define cool for every generation that follows.


I don't have Joseph Cambell to trot on on the vastly different mythos of Star Wars trios but my issues with it had less to do with Jar-Jar and more to do with shitty story telling.
Besides, that's getting all thread rotty we can take it elsewhere if you are so inclined.

However it is useful to say what is relevant to the kids today honestly should not be that hugely divergent from what it was 20 years ago or 100. I'm not talking about manifestations of cool I'm talking about solid peices of unique story telling. What makes a hero should be more long lasting even if the trappings change.

Optimus with flames is not the issue as much as it is an alarming indicator of a possible character change. Why is he flashy? I could care less about the flames if he is still the noble compassionate protector. If he has turned into some macho crapmo leader than I feel bad for the children of today that they are getting cheated out of a better story.

Sure you can reinterpret superheros but when you change their core nature all of their fans have the right to bitch about it.

btw Starscream had better still be a sassy bad-bot or else I am going to pitch a fit suitable for a 12 year old.
 
 
The Natural Way
17:09 / 20.07.06
Hieronymous, you have heard of sarcasm?

And, yeah, i GIVE A FUCK if Prime's got flame detailing... God, who's really being adolescent here?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:19 / 20.07.06
Even though Hot Rod had the same kind of detail and was widely considered by our gen to be the coolest of the toys/characters to have appeared at that point.

Get off the crack now, Dupre.
 
 
Dead Megatron
21:25 / 20.07.06
Yeah, but Hot rod was supposed to be an annoying, immature, unexperienced, adolescent jerk. In fact, the absolute opposite(Autobot-wise) of Prime.

Duh.

And fuck the kids. I want this movie for myself. MYSELF, damn it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:01 / 20.07.06
Moderators, pls delete this thread.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:02 / 20.07.06
It has gone septic.

Like a wound.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:13 / 20.07.06
It reminds me very much of when the Creation Matrix was corrupted firstly by the evil of a random alien, and then by the wickedness of Thunderwing.
 
 
Dead Megatron
22:35 / 20.07.06
Hmm, maybe we are experiencing the onset of another Hate Plague.

Optimus, please save us all. Flames or no flames.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
23:10 / 20.07.06
It's too late, I'm afraid. He who was once the noblest of all Autobots now sits around all day listening to violent gangsta rap as a result of a simple lick of paint.
 
 
Dead Megatron
00:15 / 21.07.06
And Megatron is listening to Cansei de Ser Sexy.

What have we become, my old foe?
 
 
Ticker
13:31 / 21.07.06
t's too late, I'm afraid. He who was once the noblest of all Autobots now sits around all day listening to violent gangsta rap as a result of a simple lick of paint.

Really?

I was more afraid of really bad rawk guitar overdrive. Meatloaf.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:33 / 21.07.06
I'm afraid of all kinds of terrible things just on the basis of that one little picture! I'm very scared by it, and sad that nobody is thinking of the children, and how they will be cheated, nay robbed, by this film.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:14 / 21.07.06
More histrionics please.

On both sides.
 
 
This Sunday
16:24 / 21.07.06
Am I a bad person because I increasingly have in my head, every time someone starts talking to me about this film, the Gail Simone line: 'This fulfills my need for Transformers porn!'?

Of course, I'm the nitpickiest of all, and it's the apparent fan/rotor-blade exhaust-eye look on early adverts (and espoused by the director has his idea, which he loves) that have soured me on the film. Unless the Decepticons fly by shootin jet-propulsion from their eyesockets, it's a stupid design feature. It's not helping them to see. Not going to translate well when scaled down to toy-size. And even as a little kid it would have annoyed me.

But, the new Optimus Prime pic doesn't bother me, because I don't think it's entirely legit. If I were in the position to do so, I don't think I could stand to not fuck with the older audience for this film, and just periodically drop an 'oh, hell no' element into the public eye, because those who care, will probably go to theatres to gawk at the trainwreck, and those who don't... don't care.

If it's just two hours and twelve minutes of Bumble Bee and Grimlock doing stand up routines, there's a percentage of young kids who're going to eat it up. And, really, they buy more toys than the adults do... because adults are less likely to break their action figures or to have them collected by teachers and bigger kids who can step on the first kid's head until the Transformer is magically their own.

It could just be 'Cars' choppedn in with extended footage ripped off a 'Macross' videogame, narrated directly from the brain of Starscream. The summer blockbuster extreme: 'Starscream's Video Diary' directed by Luc Besson! and little kids'll probably love it.

Thirty seven year old men, will probably hunt me down and kick me in the ribs, for suggesting it.

I mean, new Star Wars all pretty much sucked, but then, even when I was a kid, I never really got into the first one. It was always pretty bad. Jedi and Emperor... those I liked. Jar Jar's basically Luke in that first movie.

And the Transformer's source material's not exactly all the stunning gorgeous best stuff in existence.
 
 
Dead Megatron
17:26 / 21.07.06
You... blasphemer!!!!
 
 
The Falcon
17:59 / 21.07.06
there's a percentage of young kids who're going to eat it up. And, really, they buy more toys than the adults do...

How do the kids earn their money? - that's what I want to know. Not everyone can play Daniel.

And the Transformer's source material's not exactly all the stunning gorgeous best stuff in existence.

Besmirch not the name of Fur-man.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:21 / 21.07.06
Well, here again we're faced with the fact that there *is* no Transformers. To me and thee, Duncan, it's Furman. To others, it's the rubbish US Marvel series. To others still, it's the even worse cartoons. At a guess, DD's only really aware of the second of third of those.

And you're never going to see a movie based on the Furman stories.
 
 
This Sunday
23:05 / 21.07.06
I know the Furman comics; was just thinking of them as secondary or tertiary to the 'Transformers' product. It'd be (first) toys, then (second) cartoon, followed by everything else,right? Or did the comics actually have a significant initiatory impact on the others, the way Larry Hamma did on 'GI Joe'?

And I'm not saying it's all bad, or anything; heck, even the Spider-Man team-up was fun, once upon a time, and the movie remains very, very cool... but it's not sacrosanct. It's not like violating the some small aspect will have catastrophic results that will decimate the foundations of our very society.

And look who's helming it. Are we to expect 'Sin City' level of transfer? Are we to expect it to be even as close as the animated film? Or is it akin to 'Transformers' the way the new 'Star Wars' films are connected to the old? More of that, I'd imagine, especially since it's a total reinvention of the franchise. It's 'Bubblegum Crisis' television verus the direct-to-video series. It's Buffy the movie slayer and television franchise.

And, it's pretty ignorable. That's its saving grace; I can easily not pay any attention to the fact the movie exists if it is just horribly horrible. The other stuff's still there. Like with 'Blade Runner' or 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen', the alternate sources, those I enjoyed, remain. As they should for us all.
 
 
FinderWolf
02:17 / 22.07.06
They just announced that the guy who did the voice of Optimus Prime in the cartoons will be doing the voice of Optimus in the movie... so that's something I think we can all agree is pretty cool.
 
 
Dead Megatron
02:18 / 22.07.06
FINALLY, a good sign
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:42 / 23.07.06
Disgraced Former Flyboy Moderators, pls delete this thread.

Sorry, I've checked the rules and we have to wait until either Grant Morrison or Michael Bay turn up and take something out of context to mean that someone on here was rude about a relative. Then I can lock it.

Oh, and for those who are all "OMG! The Mars sky in that promo isn't red, THERE4 my Transformers-loving childhood is being raped!1!!", have some facts about the Mars sky.
 
 
Ticker
17:44 / 24.07.06
Perhaps someone already posted this link.

I didn't see it so I'm sticking it here.

I believe it is stolen from Robot Chicken-land.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:00 / 24.07.06
Yes, we've had it already but don't worry, it's not that we expect everyone to read or remember everything that's been posted in each thread already.
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:12 / 24.07.06
it's not that we expect everyone to read or remember everything that's been posted in each thread already

oh, no?
 
 
Ticker
19:53 / 24.07.06
I have read the thread but I didn't visit all of the links.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:08 / 24.07.06
Ain't It Cool News has just posted the new posters (pun intendend? That's for me to know and you to wonder) of the movie, featuring metal-forged version of Autobot and Decepticon logos. Very cool.

Their War. Our World

It's time to pick sides, kids. Join me and live.
 
  

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