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Seaguy #1

 
  

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FinderWolf
15:04 / 20.05.04
Yeah, Cameron's story was definitely inspiring.

What does "Am - Deek - Eye" mean, do you think?
 
 
Simplist
16:22 / 20.05.04
Chubby is man's new best friend: A smokin', wise-crackin', fish-thing that should not exist. I love it. He's not real though, is he? He's a thought balloon of sorts, coming from Seaguy's head, voicing his most basic desires and urges... soon to be facing a little death?

That was my hit too; no one else seemed to notice him floating there, and Seaguy's chess game with death was a threat ta Chubby's mortality too. Chubby's also the part of Seaguy that can't help noticing the dark underbelly of things that Seaguy's not quite ready to let himself see. I expect a tearjerker of a scene when Seaguy finally has to consciously integrate poor Chubby, dissolving him as a separate persona. May not happen in this first third of the series, though.

I thought this was excellent all around. Great script from Grant, very evocative work from Cameron. I've actually just read through it once quickly at this point; I'm waiting until all three are out to give it a more careful perusing.
 
 
Triplets
16:48 / 20.05.04
Yeh, but, yeh, but...

... couldn't Death see Chubby?
 
 
Simplist
17:14 / 20.05.04
Sure, but Death is kind of a special case, wouldn't you say? More perceptive than the average bear?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:00 / 20.05.04
Well if that actually is Death, who Seaguy effortlessly cheats once a week before heading off to do the shopping and watch TV.

The Seventh Seal/Don Quixote/courtly love references seem fairly deliberate here.

Anyway, excellent stuff. Without wishing to sound like a creep, I particularly liked the contrasts in the art between the softer, more cartoony style in the Seaguy scenes, and the harder approach in the " real world " shots when he's off-panel.

And now I really must think about getting on with some work, or failing that anyway, at least going to the pub.
 
 
Simplist
18:29 / 20.05.04
Well if that actually is Death, who Seaguy effortlessly cheats once a week before heading off to do the shopping and watch TV.

Come to think of it, "Death" may be no more real than "Chubby"...
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
21:07 / 20.05.04
I thought this was great. Much better than The Filth and New Xmen. Better than quite a lot of The Invisibles in fact. I love the mad throwaway ideas juxtaposed with quite touching/ emotionally involving/ horribly creepy plot undercurrents.

That's what I liked best about Doom Patrol, the way you could have really silly stuff like the space hoppers beneath the pentagon and the mystic sugar tongs and danny the street, in the same book as some of the most emotionally affecting sequences I've ever read in comics.

I just thoroughly enjoyed Seaguy, and I haven't really been getting that out of Grant M's comics for awhile. They just haven't really been doing it for me, but this is more like it. Cameron's artwork was spot on as well. Love Seaguy's outfit and general cheery demeanour. Hope the talking tuna doesn't turn out to be "all in his head", cos that would be a bit crap. I'd prefer it if he just had a mate who's a talking tuna fish with the personality of Ernest Borgnine. I don't want any cod psychology (sorry...) explanation appended to something so gloriously silly.
 
 
Billuccho!
22:14 / 20.05.04
Lots of good stuff here. For example:
+ The logo and cover. Perfect in every way.
+ Monkey nuggets - I already use this in day-to-day conversation, way before Seaguy! Aha! Riding the wave of the future.
+ The whole "pointless, arbitrary" chess game with Death. That all explains Life, really.
+ "Da Fug!"
+ The old sea captain who is, for some reason, an expert on Egyptian hieroglyphics.
+ She-Beard: out-Kirby-ing Kirby.
+ Chubby growling at the tuna cans.
+ "It's Xoo. It's new!" This really explains all of the media, and how society eats it all up nowadays.
+ Anti-Dad, especially Teknostrich, the flying-carpet-guy with genie, Bubble Monkey, the Dapper Grasshopper, Snail-Male, and the "Believe in Yourself" guy. What, didn't you give them names, too?
+ The buggy being a thrill. Poor SG, reduced to finding cheap thrills. At least he didn't beat a dead horse.
+ The Mickey Eye show and the terrified kids at the park. Heh.
+ "Giant balloon animals... pecking at men and women... screams of the damned and insane..." Great line.
+ "What kind of flavor of corn chip is bowler hat?" "Harsh and ashamed..."
+ "Run at them!" Great, just...wow.
+ Doc Hero reduced to getting cheap thrills from amusement flying rides. And Carbon-Dating Vision. Intelligent pewter... "No one ever gave a damn about the moon."
+ Xoo-puke. Some of the best art in the issue, right there, with all the Xoo formations.
+ Everything going to hell and the gang finding real adventure. "What if they're tears? The poor old moon is crying for help! This is IT!"
+ So, maybe Chubby *is* Seaguy's subconscious. It really does make a lot of sense.

And if it looks like I'm downplaying the art, I'm not. The art is effin' fantastic through and through, as are the colors, and, hell, the letters. Todd's a master. Thanks, Cameron, Pete, and Todd. And certainly Grant. It was a wonderful issue...looking forward to more.

Now if you'll excuse me, I must go back and count the eyes.
 
 
Triplets
22:45 / 20.05.04
I like how there's an eye in every panel when SG is in the Mickey Eye theme park.

Mickey Eye watches YOU!

Oh, plus everything BillR said (the pre-emptive git)
 
 
Triplets
22:51 / 20.05.04
I'd prefer it if he just had a mate who's a talking tuna fish with the personality of Ernest Borgnine.

I love you. Let us make kinder.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:59 / 20.05.04
"Thanks for the team up, doc."

Cameron, you art is fantastic, and you know it, so I'm going to nit pick. I found the fact that Seaguy was without a face in two (YES, TWO!) panels mildly disconcerting. Do I read comics too closely, or something?

(Oh, aside from that, the "tartan warp" effect trousers were vaguely bothersome to my eyes, too. Was this always planned in the script, as a joke?)

Anyway, that was all I could find wrong with it, you talented bastard. I went back and marvelled at all the architecture in the fairground, which must have been tough work. And I really loved the "animated" feel of xoo itself. That was really very nice. Very VERY nice. Very smooth.

Nice big splash pages, as well! Yes! I just looked back at the massive superhero one, and started looking closely at the big guys arms and legs... only to see people fighting all over them, as well! That really is top, and completely passed my by before.

Oh, and Cameron, I've been wondering ever since I saw you mention that you scan your pencils and print them out to ink them... what do you ink on? Do you print the pencils directly on to the standard A3 comic book board?

Blimey, I'll get round to talking about the actual comic once I read it again... I love the little tuna/"grrrrr" gag.
 
 
uncle retrospective
23:39 / 20.05.04
That was weird. I've been pissed of with Grant's stuff for a while (I'm an X hater and thought the Filth was rubbish) and I was worried about the look and sound of Seaguy, but what the hey I bought it.
The first read left me cold, it was a weird, nasty book and I wasn't ready for it. I though the joints may have mushed my brain so later I read it again.
And I was right, this is a weird, nasty comic, it just looks like a fun comic. And it's great stuff. Grand and Cam are kicking ass here. Bring on the next 3! I will go into more detail but right now, I'm outta here! Home calls!
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
23:43 / 20.05.04
I feel like Seaguy.
 
 
Nakkurusu
00:02 / 21.05.04
The best part about is, is going to be when I'm wrong about all the the things I'm expecting to happen.

Great parts (that weren't taken):
- Robot Monkey
- Future Swamp: Even Post-Apocolypitic settings are so passe for things set in the furture.
- Doc Hero reminds me of Dick Van Dyke mixed with Post-Crisis Superman with an apathetic additude... and it's very creepy.
 
 
--
01:12 / 21.05.04
Although it seems to be fairly unpopular on these boards, I'll still say "The Filth" is one of the best things Morrison's ever written, but this thread is about "Seaguy", not "The Filth". I am glad to see that "Seaguy" keeps Morrison's hot streak going.

The intro scene was great, featuring one of the cutest "Death" characters of all time (and the Hitler hair was a nice touch). A colorblind chessplayer... well, I guess this is an upgrade from "The Invisibles" blind chessman character.

Chompy is a great character, but for some reason I imagined Bob Hoskins doing the voice. And She-Beard was very sexy... right up there with Oubilette, I reckon.

The balloon monster attack was great, and seemed very much like something out of Doom Patrol (in that comic it seemed everything had the ability to become a monster).

I actually found Mickey Eye Park to be a visually comforting place. But this probably has something to do with my lifelong eyeball obsession (the first thing I ever drew was an eye). Mickey Eye Park looked like it was designed by The Residents on crack (and that's saying something!) The Epcott Center as a giant eyeball is especially clever.

Interestingly enough, after the sex/death/fuck profanity laden "Filth" there is no sex in "Seaguy" and little profanity (was there any? Is "Fug" like "fuck"? Why should I care?) This comic is almost like a Saturday Morning cartoon version of the GM universe, and Cameron's fantastic cartoony art really helps to bring this across (reading it was very much like watching a cartoon, alebit a warped one). All of the Morrison archetypes are present (a clueless hero ala "Animal Man", something dark and sinister going on behind reality ala "The Invisibles" and "Filth", superheroes, blah blah blah) they're just jacked up with an audacious sense of (dare I say it? Fuck it, I will!) whimsy! Hell, forget cartoons, this is Disney doing a Morrison movie. You even have the cute talking animal sidekick, damn it (not to mention theme parks and theme songs... The Mickey Eye song!)

Bottom line, it's fun, it's funny, the art's great and it's overflowing with eyeballs. LOTS AND LOTS OF GIANT EYEBALLS. People who love comics will adore it. People who love eyeballs in comics will be in hog heaven. In fact, short of the Decreator, this could be some of the best use of eyeballs in anything GM has ever written.

Bottom line, classic.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:24 / 21.05.04
Much better than The Filth and New Xmen. Better than quite a lot of The Invisibles in fact... I just thoroughly enjoyed Seaguy, and I haven't really been getting that out of Grant M's comics for awhile. They just haven't really been doing it for me, but this is more like it.

Agree 100% (I liked a lot of NXM, but it was hella uneven).

Cameron, yr art is just on another level from anything of yours I've seen before. You know how people have said previously that in Frank Quitely's work, you get the sense that you're looking at a 3-D world in which you could immerse yourself and move about, and if you looked at the scene from every angle it would all match up? I got that from the opening scene, and you kept it that tight for most of the issue.

The two page spread of the battle with Anti-Dad is a jaw-dropping thing of joy, especially the guy clinging to the middle spike on his head, and the 'Believe In Yourself' bot.

I'm not imagining the difference in body language between Doc Hero and Seaguy, am I? The deliberate stiffness of the former?

I do find it interesting that Morrison's recent work seems to be full of refutations of some of his earlier ideas (cf Quentin Quire - drugged up young anarchists striving to be cool are NOT cool after all). The world of Seaguy seems to me to resembles exactly the kind of post-everything utopia he's previously depicted as the best of all possible futures: everybody's a goofy superhero or a freak, everything's a game or leisure pursuit, including things you would previously have been terrified of.

It's not all that different from the world of 'And We're All Policemen'. I always thought that one of the problems with the "world where everyone gets what they want, even the bad guys" as proposed in The Invisibles was this: the bad guys want to hurt people. Wouldn't it be really be easy to create a world in which they got to do this, and 85% of people were too busy getting what they wanted to notice or care? Which is pretty much the world we're living in today. That's what's most unsettling about Seaguy, the way that nobody notices the fact that all the children at Mickey Eye world are crying, nobody thinks it's all that worrying that the sky is falling in, even Seaguy doesn't seem too bothered by the horse getting its brains smashed in... Chubba's lack of short term memory makes for a really, really creepy device after he sees that awful ghost train come true under the street (probably the most impressive panel artistically, actually - nightmarish stuff).

I think there's more going on there than just the simple, familiar "Escapist TV is bad! Brand hegemony is bad!", even though already some people are reacting as if Morrison invented these ideas with this issue (is there anything the diehard fans won't believe he thought up first?). What makes this more than just a Millar-clumsy satire is the fact that some of the things distracting people from reality are things Morrison has always loved: shiny pop culture, the desire to be a superhero, talking to your animal friends. He's never been one of those boring bastards who objects to escapism, and since escapism seems to be one of Seaguy's main themes, this makes for an interesting read.

Maybe my favourite moment is when the sky suddenly clouds over after Xoo appears, the public vanish and the Eyes surround our heroes - for some reason it really reminds me of that near the beginning of Spirited Away when everything... changes. Only here you've got the added sense that this is that moment when you first realise that you're not living in paradise after all. Like going on a peace march and suddenly realising you're hemmed in by riot police.

"Did we break da rules?" - brrrrrr.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
09:13 / 21.05.04
I'm feeling all the good vibes about Seaguy, I enjoyed reading it... but like with every Morrison comic I read I just want to have the whole story in my hands to appreciate it fully.
Knowing that at the bare minimum it'll only be a 3-issue series makes me weep that the depth might not be there to sustain interest for the other 6 issues. Fingers doubly crossed of course.
I liked the parody, the naivety, the cartoon-world feel. I was reminded of Ian M Banks Culture novels where everyone has everything they want albeit in a really scaled down version here.
I don't like Chubby... his face disturbs me (especially in the scene where he's watching the TV, face in full body all blacked out... shudder). I'm imagining a horrific death that wakes up our protagonist. I hope he's the personification of Seaguy's conscience though, I like that theory.
The double page spread... wow... A1 poster size please Cameron and like everyone else I think the robo-monkey rules. Reminds me of a Howlett-homage mais non? Gorillaz?

Looking forward to the rest of this greatly.
It's nice to be reminded what a good comic book should be like.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
09:14 / 21.05.04
Oh and "Da Fug"

Grant really loves phonetics doesn't he?
 
 
Triplets
11:18 / 21.05.04
Mickey Eye!
Mickey Eye!
Tricky! Sticky!
Mickey Eye!
When you live!
When you die!
Here comes Mickey Eye!
Looking low! Looking high!
HERE COMES MICKEY EYE!
 
 
The Falcon
13:35 / 21.05.04
In fact, short of the Decreator, this could be some of the best use of eyeballs in anything GM has ever written.


Better than the Star Conqueror (with Azazel cameo for even further eye action?)

Perhaps. I always draw eyes. 'Sabout the only thing I can draw these days. Used to be able to do a monster hand.

I like how all the kids are crying at the theme park. Actually both the double-pager spreads (yes!) were things of joy.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
13:39 / 21.05.04
YES!

Going to read this again while eating a bowl of cereal. Is right, non? Saturday morning cartoon ahoy!

Aye, aye.

etc.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:38 / 21.05.04
I've already got a tune for the Mickey Eye song in my head. It's simple, just like the song, it's like 3 notes in total.

As for magickal effects of this (no one's mentioned it but there will undoubtedly be some, I think) -- I was on the phone with a friend who kind of sucks the energy out of me and cuts me down in subtle ways (I'm basically thinking about keeping even more distance from him than I already do, which is a lot) and I was thumbing through Seaguy #1 (which I'd already read once and a half) as he blathered on to me... and it was at that moment that he was talking about a goal of mine and being subtly negative and defeatist about it, that my eyes, for the first time, lit on the words "BELIEVE IN YOURSELF" in the double-page spread and the little round dude in the suit with those words on him. Nice.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
16:03 / 21.05.04
I really do love this issue. I was of the 5% camp who hated year three of NXM, so this is nice fun.

I have a very soft spot for Grant. His Doom Patrol was for me a great ride and Invisibles year one the best TV show that was never on TV with Flex Mentallo being a personal letter.

Seaguy comis in close to Flex so far. The longing for action yet not finding anything worth doing is very well done in an existential manner as well as a comics pro manner. What's to look forward in the next decade, ultimate ultimates?

The art was stellar and super smooth. Hats off to Cam for more designs than I can count.

All in all a triumph.

Oh, and... is that Jenny Everywhere on page 35?
 
 
Krug
16:04 / 21.05.04
What can I really add at this point?

Xoo = Soylent Green.

I'm lovin' it.

Aye Aye Seaguy!

Bring on Volume 2 & 3!
 
 
FinderWolf
16:27 / 21.05.04
Jenny Everywhere? Really? In a background shot at the park or in the Crisis on Infinite Anti-Dad spread????

Xoo is apparently made with pieces of sentient alien entities, yes.... like Soylent Green. And also if the modern-day corporations metaphor is to be extended, then Coke and TimeWarner are made of little bits of our precious souls...
 
 
louisemichel
16:35 / 21.05.04
Great !
just Great !

And Cameron, you rock !
 
 
■
16:37 / 21.05.04
Not that I've seen it yet, but can I just throw in a conjecture that an eyeball ruling the world of a comic character isn't that far from Grant's end-of-run Animal Man?
 
 
The Falcon
00:46 / 22.05.04
Are we all great big Mickey Eyes, you mean?

I hope not.

I definitely got a nice buzz off this comic; felt pretty j-cored up after reading it.
 
 
Kirk Ultra
04:46 / 22.05.04
the Mickey Eyes remind me of the iLife nano-people from the filth, which reminded me of those little brain things that showed up in Helga's brain when she did the language drug Key 23 in the Invisibles.

I can't even believe how huge the synchronicities in this comic were for me. I love it.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
04:54 / 22.05.04
FINALLY.

everybody has posted much better insights on the book so this is just what flashes through my head.

hey, check those bubbles in the cover logo. nice ON THE LEDGE, Cameron. us Mozz-minions do relate a lot.

man, this is really the Pop Comic everybody blabs about and very few manage to make. weird saturday morning unnatural *sober* ride. personal letter, Industry/social commentary, emo power fantasy, Pop re-construction. sense of wonder feeling you used to get as a kid while playing with shiny plastic toys, yet they feel not... that safe.

[man, XOO is so strange, like the soul of a lost dead cat that is you at the same time...] and taling about sincronicities, how about a stolen moon rock?

we so need/need not a whole set of toys from this series, complete with the bumble-b and all that. if only to see how wrong that would be. and can't wait to see what happens on the moon, which is crying to them - a conclusion that encapsules the whole spirit of this.

I'm very curious to see how the book will be placed in the charts - not that it matters at all, just to see if people's enthusiasm [much stronger than for FILTH] translates in sales. I want all the 3 TP volumes at once, before 2005. IT'S SEAGUY, IT'S NEW!

congrats Grant, Cameron and everybody else.

ADVENTURES AHOY!
 
 
wicker woman
06:25 / 22.05.04
After reading #1 a few times, I can't help but think that it's just weirdness for weirdness' sake, and that if it was written by anybody but Morrison, that reaction would feel a lot more natural. There were the clever bits that have already been mentioned, but they just seem to be clever bits wearing a dive suit instead of a leather fetish outfit.

It's odd. I feel like it's something that will grow on me without showing that potential now.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:40 / 22.05.04
Deliberately not read the last few posts, but I'm hoping it a) sells well enough to net GM and Cameron some well-deserved cah and b) sells well enough to justify doing the whole 9...

...but part of me's thinking "I can't afford this until next week... if they've sold out by payday, I'll be well fucked off!"

Still looking forward to this. As far as I can tell from those 4 pages, it's at least gonna be different from most of the other shit out there. Even if I end up thinking it's gonna be shit, it looks like I'm gonna care enough about it for its quality to actually be an issue.

AAAAAARGH!!!! Why don't they ever heed my pleas to pay me a few days earlier so I can get the new comics? WHY???
 
 
Ganesh
11:19 / 22.05.04
Oh, it's not at all weirdness for weirdness' sake; it's dark, accurate, nasty satire with a candy-coated shell. It's the West, specifically America, blissful ignorance in sunny, themed marinas.

But then, this is pretty much understood, so here's a random list of stuff that stood out for me:

"Nurse... to executioner" - a harbinger of things to come? Is Soyl... XOO really made of children? Will we meet some sort of Nurse/Harvester character? Echoes of Morrison's Myra Hindley fixation...

Is that chessboard nine-by-nine?

I didn't read Death's hair as Hitleresque but a combover, Greg Feely-style. Liked the Charon-in-Venice look as he poles off in his gondola.

She-Beard made me think of the 'Beard Hunter' Doom Patrol.

The amazing double-spread superhero battle. For some reason, the Flying Bomb jumped out at me. And the Anti-Dad's spiked halo was reminiscent of the Statue of Liberty. Has liberty itself been vanquished? Did the heroes make a terrible mistake?

Seaguy's unbearable lightness of response when the Kiss-Me-Quick horse is killed. "Ouch. Guess we'd better hoof it".

Mickey Eye: really, really creeped me out, particularly the 'stomping on eggs' panel (the theme of consuming/destroying children again?) - and for some reason, the fact that he only has one arms added to the Brrr Quotient.

"And that's about as much news as anyone needs to hear! Hands up for fun!" Hey, who needs to know about bad stuff going on in the rest of the world?! And, for that matter, who gives a damn about the Moon, when we can buy ridiculous iron umbrellas?!

Mickey Eye Park is beautifully spookily rendered, clean and white and sterile (apart from the Future Swamp, with its 9/11 towers and crashed aircraft). Scared, crying kids and adults - and more of that oddly queasy lettering.

"Harsh and ashamed" sounded like a Morrissey bon mot.

Kidnapped children in the underground and on the big wheel (a literal London Eye?) but Chubby's seven-second memory probably isn't much different from anyone else's. No-one seems to notice.

I actually really liked Doc Hero's Alan Partridge 'sports casual' slacks and jumper, in tasteful Pringle pink. He's perhaps the most obvious example of the widespread tendency to ignore real issues/dangers/concerns in favour of synthetic thrills.

XOO looks like an axalotl (an amphibian which can remain indefinitely in the pre-adult phase) - which is, if deliberate, an interesting choice of symbol...

I love how the weather suddenly changes ("Did we just break da rules?") - and it strikes me that the skies are blue and cloudless until the Mickey Eye Park.

The Bumble-B sails up the Moon's path. Is this a battle between the Sun (or, at least, sunniness, the conscious mind, the aggressive male principle) and the Moon (water, tears, the darker stuff going on behind the facade of conscious perception, the female principle)? Am I reading into this too much?

I'm enjoying this a lot. The deceptively simple, kids' cartoon style (and yeah, I'm loving your work, Cameron) is nonetheless packed with detail, and very much repays multiple readings. It's all so spare, so efficient, not a line wasted. And the colouring is beautiful.

I think this is gonna be about children: maintaining ourselves in an idealised state of childlike innocence at the expense of others. I'm delighted this is gonna (hopefully) go on for three runs of three issues (the rule of three-times-three!) I don't think I've enjoyed Morrison's writing in quite this way since Flex Mentallo - and much of that is down to Cameron.
 
 
Ganesh
11:28 / 22.05.04
Oh yeah, and XOO actually coming from Seaguy put me in mind of Phantomex vomiting up EVA, his 'external nervous system'. I suspect that XOO is made of processed children (in the same way as Soylent Green is people) - so is XOO Seaguy's inner child?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
18:18 / 22.05.04
Death's warning to Chubby gave me the Willy's good and proper. Lovely stuff all round. Dare I say it - joycore?
 
  

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