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Seaguy #1

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dickens432

01:23 / 23.05.04

The idea that Death and Chubby are both non-existent is pretty cool, but I'm pretty sure that Death was noticed by the guy in the Kaiser helmet. As far as Chubby goes, Seaguy does mention Chubby directly to Doctor Hero later in the book, but Doctor Hero doesn't say anything about or to Chubby, so its amibigous.

Eskay Doss

04:39 / 23.05.04

I think, as was the case with most things appearing in The Filth, that Chubby is BOTH real and unreal. It all depends on how you choose to look at it, or when. Ambiguous? That's how Grant seems to like it. Not just with his characters, but with what is right and wrong - Schrodenger's Morality (it's not wrong unless you get caught... and Micky Eye is everywhere, watching).

Ganesh

08:21 / 23.05.04

So... is Chubby Seaguy's inner child, or is XOO Seaguy's inner child?

Opps!!

10:34 / 23.05.04

Yes it was bloody good and a big slap-on-the-back for Cameron (who's being a bit quiet - obviously out on a celebratory session.
Mickey Eye T-shirts please!

FinderWolf

16:44 / 24.05.04

Who's Myra Hindley?

I've looked carefully and I don't think Jenny Everywhere is in there, though I'm secretly hoping she is

Cameron - care to weigh in on this?

quinine92001

17:20 / 24.05.04

So Anti-Dad/Outer Church finally won, huh? This comic reminds me of the magic mirror that tainted King Mob and Jolly Roger-King Mob became fat and drunken staring at a TV eye jacked into his cerebellum. Mickey Eye/TV Eye/ilife nanobots/ AntiDad's corporate motto-The Empire Never Ended. Once again we are all stuck in the Black Iron Prison hopefully Seaguy will save us all!
The only way to best She-Beard is to shave her!

CameronStewart

17:28 / 24.05.04

Myra Hindley, with partner Ian Brady, murdered a bunch of kids in England in the early 60s.

(Didn't think that would come up in a discussion of Seaguy...)

Nah, Jenny Everywhere wasn't deliberately drawn in - I think I know the drawing you're referring to but it's really not meant to be her. Sorry.

And thank you thank you thank you to everyone for all the amazingly positive response to this first issue - I'm overjoyed that it's going down so well. A quick read around the web indicates that almost everyone is enjoying this very, very much, and I couldn't be happier.

I don't have the time right now to address a bunch of individual comments in this thread (still working like mad to finish off issue 3!) but hopefully soon I can add a bit more...

Thanks again, everyone!

Triplets

21:04 / 24.05.04

Chubby = Seaguy's conscience?
Xoo = His inner child/id?

Ganesh

21:16 / 24.05.04

Myra Hindley, with partner Ian Brady, murdered a bunch of kids in England in the early 60s.

(Didn't think that would come up in a discussion of Seaguy...)

Heh. I got all that from the "nurse... to executioner" comment. When excited, my overanalysis centre goes into overdrive...

Xoo!!!

Oh yeah, I can definitely see it. Interesting; and these are like perennial prepubescents?

Nanny-state comix?

■

22:33 / 24.05.04

Aha. So Seaguy is the version of the supercontext for an individual who embraced the heroism without understanding why he was doing it. He's going to get sent back in, isn't he?

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

22:42 / 24.05.04

... when is issue #2 out? Do we know, yet? Can I have it now?

Gypsy Lantern

23:11 / 24.05.04

Perhaps a radical interpretation, but what if this comic had absolutely fuck all to do with all that supercontext / outer church / innoculation claptrap, and was, dare I say it, a new story?

Ganesh

23:11 / 24.05.04

Cheers for digging out a decent photo of an axolotl, Triplets!

Oh yeah, I can definitely see it. Interesting; and these are like perennial prepubescents?

Yeah, they're pretty much Peter Pans among amphibians, only ever maturing into their land-dwelling, air-breathing adult salamander form when their pond dries up.

Which co-o-ould be an extended metaphor for the watery infantilism of Seaguy's post-Utopian culture?

Ganesh

23:27 / 24.05.04

Oh yeah, and following my XOO = Axolotl line of reasoning, how might a post-Utopian society be kept in a suitably infantilised/ignorant/innocent state? By feeding it dumb-down food, quite possibly containing Essence of Childhood extracted from captured kids! A Soylent Greenesque critique of the role of junk food in maintaining a placid, apathetic populace, vampirically/cannibalistically dependent on its youth?

Hmmm...

The Falcon

23:33 / 24.05.04

Any line of analogy with aspartame, to pick the most obvious example? Perhaps, but not from me at 1.30am.

Anyway, the Bloggers have been linking us (thanks to Benny/Chareth B. for link), whilst going off and doing a fine job on the bearding themselves. Have a look.

I wonder if 'bearding' as byword for geeknalysis has any bearing, too?

Ganesh

23:45 / 24.05.04

Aspartame's possibly a little specific. The degree to which 'perfected' Western culture is a) 'sedated', and b) vampiric (particularly of its young) seems to be one of the things Morrison's examining in Seaguy - and XOO would likely tie in with both these themes...

Ganesh

23:50 / 24.05.04

(Having perused Duncan Falconer's links)

Oooh, I like the XOO = Repackaged Radicalism theory too! Given Morrison's previous treatment of youthful rebellion (Invisibles, Kill Your Boyfriend, pretty much everything he's done) it'd make sense if it took the symbolic form of a creature which literally refuses to grow up...

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:06 / 25.05.04

Perhaps a radical interpretation, but what if this comic had absolutely fuck all to do with all that supercontext / outer church / innoculation claptrap, and was, dare I say it, a new story?

Let there be marriage.

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:08 / 25.05.04

Here's a thought: the old sailor guy tells Seaguy "Don't look now." Seaguy lives in New Venice. Aha!

■

09:18 / 25.05.04

what if this comic had absolutely fuck all to do with all that supercontext / outer church / innoculation claptrap, and was, dare I say it, a new story?

Them's fighting words, boy. Unpatriotic, I say. That's just a touch too revolutionary for me.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

15:00 / 25.05.04

Finally got it. Wonderful. Well fucking done, Cameron- GM's ace script has the art it deserves.
Just sat in the pub after the comic shop and read it twice. Then left the pub before I could read it again... don't wanna spoil it with overfamiliarity, so when the whole thing (please, please let it run to 9) is done I can have as much fun again. (Who the fuck am I kidding? I'll have read it again before the day's done.)

It made me laugh out loud... why do I get the feeling it'll make me cry in public at some point? LOVED SG and Chubby's chat in front of the telly... and the whole awkwardness of the SG/Doc Hero conversation.

Fucking BALLOON ANIMALS!!! Genius. I've been warning people about them for years now... maybe they'll finally listen.

Roll on issue 2, is about all I can say right now.

And yes, Mr Stewart- that splash page of the heroes fighting anti-Dad is truly splendid.

FinderWolf

15:34 / 25.05.04

>> Here's a thought: the old sailor guy tells Seaguy "Don't look now." Seaguy lives in New Venice. Aha!

I don't get it...are you referring to the "ahh, Venice" joke in movies whenever a beautiful woman comes along (because Venice = romance)?

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

16:14 / 25.05.04

I'm guessing because "Don't Look Now"- Nicholas Roeg movie based on a Daphne du Maurier story, and incidentally quite wonderful- is set in Venice. And it's one of those movies where the location is the star.

Mr Tricks

16:16 / 25.05.04

Ahhh good stuff...

Question:
Who designed the "SEAGUY" logo/masthead/cover title?

XOO:
sounds like Zoo... lots of animals either served up or getting a job. It also struck me that perhaps the product is intended to be consumed immediately upon opening. With the "team-up" delaying Seaguy's consuming of XOO it reached a level of "maturity" intended to occur inside the body. Perhaps it's presance in the body acts to stem any movement towards growth. Almost the inverse of an innoculation?

Chubby:
what if he's seaguy's stunted sex-drive? He's got a "chubby" that can chear him up but he still isn't brave enough to er... rise to She-Beard's challange.

Mikey-eye:
What's that comment about a dick eye? also looks like sperm. Did anyone else get a cuckoo vibe from that T.V. episode?

I'll have to read it again... again congrats.

Krug

16:23 / 25.05.04

Well spotted Flyboy.

FinderWolf

18:19 / 25.05.04

Your "chubby" thought is very interesting...

Earlier in this thread (or maybe the previous Seaguy thread?) Cam told us that the wonderful Rian Hughes designed the terrific logo.

Ganesh

18:23 / 25.05.04

XOO also puts me in mind of the New Shmoo...

Ben Danes

02:06 / 26.05.04

Did anyone else get a cuckoo vibe from that T.V. episode?

Yep. Throwing all the other eggs out of the nest. And taking over. How a company (obvious one being Disney) will enter new fields, and just take over.

I bloody love that Mickey Eye stuff. Just how he's running at you on the tv. Great stuff Cameron.

illmatic

09:41 / 26.05.04

"what if he's seaguy's stunted sex-drive?"

You may well refer to your John Thomas as "chubby" or some other such petname but that isn't necessarily true for the rest of us.

Ganesh

09:56 / 26.05.04

It's a reasonably common way of referring to an erection, Illmatic - as in "Huw Edwards' newsreading gives me a chubby".

■

10:16 / 26.05.04

Good God. I hadn't realised just how phallic the Shmoo was until now. Worrying, I say.

gridley

12:42 / 26.05.04

You may well refer to your John Thomas as "chubby" or some other such petname but that isn't necessarily true for the rest of us.

"Chubby" is a fairly common bit of slang for erection, at least in Northeastern America.

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