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Seaguy #1

 
  

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Dadaist
18:28 / 12.05.04
That Death stuff felt like warmed-over Terry Pratchett

I though the same!
 
 
FinderWolf
18:58 / 12.05.04
It seems to me the Death thing is supposed to be silly, goofy and cliche -- it's not like Terry Pratchett's the first or only guy to ever joke on that 'games with death' thing. Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey also did it quite nicely. Anyway, I wouldn't make too much of the scene, it's a fun intro & that's it, I think.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:59 / 12.05.04
Cameron, I meant no offence to you and I'm glad you seem to take my comments that way. I was surprised that as a long-term and quite widely-read Morrison fan myself I was left cold by something that everyone else seemed to be raving over -- but one of the few Morrison works I haven't read is Kill Your Boyfriend, so maybe that's a strand of his writing that I'm ignorant about and that wouldn't appeal to me. I can't remember, off the top of my head, anything "funny" of his that I've read apart from Doom Force.
 
 
Ganesh
21:26 / 12.05.04
Reminds me of 'Really & Truly' (that's what it was called, wasn't it?) the deceptively light Venice-on-ecstasy thing he wrote for 2000AD.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:59 / 12.05.04
Yeah, absolutely. I'm just looking forward to seeing something quite funny, weird, camp from Grant Morrison's house of ideas, just because he doesn't seem to have done anything like that in ages now really, and personally anyway, I think he's much more at home with ostensibly " silly " material than he is with explaining the secret of the universe. Though I'm sure he'll be doing that in Seaguy as well. Either way, can't wait.
 
 
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22:58 / 12.05.04
Yeah, Bill and Ted sprang to mind with me, too, but I'm hoping the unconventional aspects (such as Death not even understanding the rules) will come to the fore. I see Seaguy as the savvy comics reader representative who thinks he knows it all and is about to get a nasty shock. Just like us smartarses. Death may be a figure of fun in this little supercontext paradise, but he still has sharky teeth.
 
 
The Falcon
23:49 / 12.05.04
No, kovacs, I'm not. Though I do think Cameron is probably the 'breakout talent', or whatever, of the 21st century.

Din't really think about invoking Pratchett, either. Death was also recently seen anthropomorphised in Moore-O's Smax. And millions of other things prior.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
04:08 / 13.05.04
I had the chance to read the whole thing today and I was floored. People are either going to love this or hate it. It's fun, has great art and a pure glowing sentamentality that I haven't seen in Grant's work since Flex. I'm already waiting impatiently for the next issue.
 
 
onorthocrasi
06:29 / 13.05.04
six friggin long days to wait... Grrrrr.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
07:06 / 13.05.04
Din't really think about invoking Pratchett, either. Death was also recently seen anthropomorphised in Moore-O's Smax. And millions of other things prior.

Whether you thought of Pratchett or not is beside the point for me -- I was just using that as an example off the top of my head to indicate that this Death-chess thing seemed pretty tired, and you're backing me up on that if you've seen it in a million other places.

I thought Really and Truly was not just inane and lame, but actually an insult to me as a reader... even if Morrison didn't write it on E, it felt that way, and I think it takes the piss horribly out of fans to say "here's something I knocked up in 5 minutes, have fun". I like Rian Hughes' artwork a lot but to my mind, a writer shouldn't just palm off stuff he did for a lark and have it applauded as "Grant's having fun, great!" A professional comic book is not meant to be art therapy for its creators -- it's meant to serve the reader, not amuse the writer while he's necking Class A chemicals.

Forgot to add above that I also loved Flex, Hitler and Dare. Flex had some tragicomic panels, but it wasn't lightweight throwaway by any means. Dare and Hitler also had priceless jokes, like the make-up woman puzzling over Dan's trademark eyebrow, or John Bull giving Adolf pamphlets he'd done on his little printing set. Zenith had gags ("you know who's inside Robot Archie, don't you...Jeremy Beadle!" -- I paraphrase). Animal Man had banter along the lines of "You must be Robotman." / "You must be the guy who states the obvious."

But just as Morrison's big SERIOUS work on SERIOUS earth, Arkham Asylum, was pretentious toss, so his all-out "funny" stuff seems worthlessly light. All his best stuff, to my mind -- and there's a great deal of best stuff -- has rattling thriller-plots, high concept structure, jokes emerging from character and dialogue and, often, twists at your heart just when you've come to love those characters.

So this doesn't look like the kind of Morrison I'm into. It doesn't seem to exhibit any of the traits I like about his work.
 
 
CameronStewart
07:48 / 13.05.04
All that after only four pages??
 
 
CameronStewart
07:57 / 13.05.04
To elaborate:

That was a fine, eloquent post, kovacs, and I agree with pretty much everything you wrote. But in all fairness, and without trying to come across as desperately defensive - all you've seen is the first scene of the first issue, 4 short pages. I'm struggling to see how you can tell from those pages alone that Seaguy DOESN'T have the things you enjoy about Grant's work that you've cited above...there really is a lot more to it than that first scene. I hope that if you're reticent about spending the cash on something you think you possibly won't enjoy, you'll at the very least be able to borrow someone else's copies and read them. I look forward to hearing your thoughts once the series is complete.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:57 / 13.05.04
well, I'm off to get it at lunchtime and I'm already nursing a lump in my throat.

Nice lines Cameron, ye ken ah like yer draw, but what whacks my human pyramid this time is the 'heartbreaking' sentimentalilty and pure melancholia emanating from the colouring technique employed.

Whoever did the colouring - you make me want to cry.

sob.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:06 / 13.05.04
OK Cameron, I will either buy it or read the whole thing in Comic Showcase just for you. I have to say it would surprise me if the first four pages didn't set the tone for the whole book and series -- it's the big panels and lack of substantial dialogue that really establish the mode for me -- but I am prepared to be surprised.

I can't recall any other Morrison work that started off being light to the point of banality, and then became detailed, meaty and worthwhile. I've never been urged by a pro artist to read a comic book though, so I am flattered into action.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:59 / 13.05.04
There's another page shown in the free newspaper-ish thingie Comic Shop News that came out yesterday -- it shows meteors falling from the sky (turns out they're pieces of the moon!). Seaguy says valiantly "Quick, Chubby! We must hurl our bodies into the path of these meteors to save the people!" or something like that. Looks fun!

CHUBBY DA CHOONA! I just like saying it. Although if his "T"s become "CH"s, it should be "Chubby Cha Choona", right?
 
 
mephisto
17:35 / 13.05.04
Just read Seaguy #1. It was, in fact, in this weeks Dc previews. I've gotta say, this is one hell of a book. I haven't had this much fun reading a Morrison book since Doom Patrol. Great, great writting! Reading the 1st issue I'm alredy wishing it was an ongoing series.
And Cam, you really outdid yourself. The 2 page plash with all the heroes... WOW! Can't wait for more Seaguy!
 
 
pony
22:49 / 13.05.04
got it this morning, just wanted to say that it's totally hilarious. i can't wait for the next two.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
22:54 / 13.05.04
kovacs, if that 4 pages DO set the tone for the series it's going to be great.

re: REALLY&TRULLY [which I haven't read, but got a glimpse of BIG DAVE sometime ago, so I believe it's on a similar tone] - I'll take any 5-minute-script-beaten-on-E by Morrison than a 30-day-sobber-script by most of today's said 'pros' in Comics.

SEA GUY may appeal to your tastes or not, but stuff done on the fly it doesn't seem to be [am I writing like Yoda already?].

not everything Mozz-related has to be big, deep and serious, though I suspect SEA GUY eventually will be all that while looking 'cartoony' at first. just like FLEX MENTALLO was.

relax and have some fun.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
23:03 / 13.05.04
Yeah, you've reminded me that I did enjoy Big Dave too; so I guess I do like some of Morrison's funny work.

But you should realise from my post above that I don't demand all comics be deep and serious -- quite the opposite. I said that Arkham Asylum, which was pumped up on its own gravity and literacy, seemed pretentious and self-indulgent to me.

Saying "relax, guy, chill out a bit" as a response to someone complaining that a comic is too throwaway and rushed isn't a decent answer. I'm not saying Seaguy seems rushed, but Really And Truly did. And I'm not going to accept that Really and Truly hits the mark just because Morrison's automatic writing in his sleep would be better than a lot of pros' best work. I'd still judge it by Morrison's standards, because after all I don't go buying the mediocre comics of most writers. I'm not going to be grateful just because he produces something quick and forgettable that still happens to be more enjoyable than average -- I'm going to be sorry it wasn't as good as his best work.

I'm rambling, sorry.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
23:45 / 13.05.04
After reading the first 4 pages, I have two things to say:

Cameron, your clean line and animation influenced style is wonderful, and I am glad that this style of art is making a comeback. It gives me the same sort of feeling I had when I would read Mike Parobek's stuff, that great comics don't have to drenched in ink and hash lines.

Second, I am going to be working "monkey nuggets" into coversation every chance I get.
 
 
illmatic
06:52 / 14.05.04
Got to say, I wasn't blown away by the script on first read, but fugit, it's only 4 pages. Actually, my opinions of this may be changing as I write - I am actually made happier that there's a guy called Seaguy who plays chess with Death on a weekly basis. And Cameron - I absolutely loved the art,particulary the rendition of Seaguy's fishy friend. Will definitely be buying this one.
 
 
Krug
11:47 / 15.05.04
I dunno, maybe it's just me that the ejaculate over Seaguy (some of it mine) in this thread doesn't annoy me even if Cameron's on the board (to be honest I'm not a fan or wasn't before I saw these four pages). Maybe it's because I geniunely like Cameron's art and the direction Morrison is going in (last twenty issues of X-Men have been turd so I'm hankering for a good Morrison story) or maybe because I was on the WEF and the groupies there would cum all over the threads after Ellis would post bland script excerpts.

God...
I remember the JLA versus Authority thread. I didn't give a fuck? Why did anyone else?
 
 
CameronStewart
15:42 / 17.05.04
Two advance reviews of Seaguy #1, courtesy of the Fourth Rail:

Here and here.

And what do you know, they actually get it!
 
 
No star here laces
15:50 / 17.05.04
Ohhhh. The pain. I have like zero hope of getting hold of this here in singapore.

Cameron - i can't make it out very well from the tiny images that it'll let me see, but this looks like a bit of a stylistic departure for you - much more precise than your earlier stuff...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
20:15 / 17.05.04
Sounds absolutely top, in all respects. And exactly what comics need and beards may hate.

Down with beard!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:34 / 18.05.04
OK, sounds good from those reviews. I dutifully looked for it in London today and couldn't see it -- is it out in the UK yet?
 
 
CameronStewart
15:52 / 18.05.04
Hits shops tomorrow in the US and Canada, and likely Thursday in the UK (?)
 
 
lukabeast
16:43 / 18.05.04
Hey Jefe, if you think you are going to have troubles getting SeaGuy over there, I could get you the issues as they come out and ship 'em (or all 3 at once when the series is complete), if you want to work out a trade or something?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
01:20 / 19.05.04
UK = Thurs, unless you're a special previews getter.
 
 
■
11:00 / 19.05.04
From ComiXfan interview:
I’ll be releasing a book called C.O.O.L. with Rian Hughes
WAAAAAAAAA. excited excited. Can't wait. Going into stasis for a year. Wake me when it's out. Yaaaaaaay. Rian!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:24 / 19.05.04
Fan-fuggin'-tastic.

Maybe it's because I've spent the entire week poring over the 60-odd page analysis of "The Test Dream" over at Television Without Pity, but my brain is on Subtext Alert, and this book was rife with the shit.

SPOI. LERS.



For one, if you were color blind, wouldn't Black & White be the only things you could tell apart?

Hmmmmm.

I loved that Xoo came from SG directly. But if it was because he drank Xoo earlier, does that mean everyone will be getting their own Xoo by #3? I'm sure we'll see.

Now that I've read the whole thing, even more Big Ups go to Mr. Stewart; so many delicious spreads, so little time.

So many great details, I'm sure we could take it apart page by page. Or maybe that's just Tony's Coach talking.

Gah! Get out of my head, Sopranos!

Seaguy! We're talking about Seaguy!

I'll be back later. I need to hit myself with a brick or something.
 
 
Eskay Doss
06:22 / 20.05.04
After the highlly entertaining but often heavy genius of New X-Men and the Filth, we finally get the spoonful of sugar - the most subversive of all Grant's works to date. It's a total ride, very fun, very light on the surface, but very scary in all the places you're not supposed to look.

Corporations as the new supervillain? I loved the idea in Marvel Boy (remember Hexus?) where it still seemed a little far-fetched. No longer. Mickey Eye is real, he is everywhere, and he's a psychopath.

Chubby is man's new best friend: A smokin', wise-crackin', fish-thing that should not exist. I love it. He's not real though, is he? He's a thought balloon of sorts, coming from Seaguy's head, voicing his most basic desires and urges... soon to be facing a little death?

ANYWAY...

Cameron, congratulations on a great job. Especially the character designs, the 2-page spreads, SeaGuy's chest logo/emblem, and those chess pieces - brilliant! What were they all? I want a set like that. I challenge you to top yourself after this series. I hope sales are good enough so you and Grant can get cracking on volume 2 as soon as possible.

Adventures ahoy!
 
 
gridley
12:33 / 20.05.04
I felt kind of lukewarm towards it. It definitely had some great bits ("I know what this is, I used it as a weapon once. It's the flag placed by American astronauts on the moon"), but it mainly has two things that I personally just hate: a clueless protagonist and a cutsey sidekick. Trying to breath new life into those two concepts seems pointless to me, but I recognize that other people are amused by them.

I'll definitely give the next issue a try, but... ehhh.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:52 / 20.05.04
I loved this.

Just terrific, fun, bright but creepy, pure charm with a lot of depth underneath. Beautiful art by Cameron.

The line in the Mickey Eye song that creeped me out most was "When you live, when you die -- here comes Mickey Eye." This idea that these corporate entities will be around long before and long after you and I are dust. Including the real-life MickeyCorp we all know and despise.

The Crisis on Infinite Earths double page spread with Anti-Dad was amazing. The hero with the Spartan helmet seemed kind of creepy despite his sunny disposition.

And Morrison's commentary on modern comics and entertainment (i.e. we all just keep riding the same ride and watching the same television show, essentially the same story, over and over, always knowing just what will happen, and still watching it over and over like mindless sheep, thinking it's amazing) was very scathing and made me stop and think a moment about movies & comics, esp. superhero books.

Cameron's She-Beard exercise page looked like the fine lines of old Mike Sekowsky stuff, or Ross Andru or Dick Giordano.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:00 / 20.05.04
Yeah, there was one hero in that spread, way in the background, that had the funniest thing written on him. I don't have it in front of me, but I remember he was round and it was brilliant.

Oh, Mickey Eye. Creepsville. GIDT!

I also loved Cameron's On The Ledge. Very sweet and, I'll say it, inspirational.
 
  

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