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ONLY NICE THINGS
12:53 / 03.11.06
I was trying to construct an argument about metahumans getting counseling based on Shiloh Norman, but, you know. He's getting psychotherapy from DeSaad. That's not good. Doc Samson? Whom I like even if nobody else does...

Ahem. Point being:

a) Don't think you're boring or monopolising us, dude. Stiff upper lip aside, you've been through a horrible thing and it's still going on - you need places you can talk about it.

b) Counseling is one of many options that can be tried to accelerate the healing process - like physiotherapy or eyedrops or massage. If you feel like trying it, try it.

c) I'm so sorry you have to go through all this shit _again_.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
12:57 / 03.11.06
Any interest in starting a Switchboard or another Convo thread on this, Electrix? I can see your frustration/misery, but I don't know if this is an appropriate place to comisserate or offer advice.

And Wonderstarr, I'm diverting all my karma to you. Months of puppy-patting and old-lady helping have accumulated a great yellow cloud of good fortune behind me that smells of peaches and billows like a velvet cape. It's winging across the Atlantic to settle gently on your shoulders right now.
 
 
Ticker
12:57 / 03.11.06
MW, if it helps think of seeing a therapist like one might see a personal trainer. Sure you can get fit on your own but a skilled pro can help you do it faster with better long term results.

Getting expert help is not failure, afterall you aren't trying to work on your physical injuries alone why should your emotional/mental injuries be different?


Regarding my own misery it's becoming slow grief as we seem to be shunning each other. The IRL ignore option just makes me feel sad as if I'm watching a ghost of myself and of the person I was once close to drift passed one and other without even the briefest recognition.

Ze has stopped sending me/replying to email. If I want to engage it will most likely have to be finding hir at the pub and trying to work it out there, which is just not appealing at all. Booze and emotions seem terribly combustiable when there is so much left unsaid.

I'm trying to accept that perhaps some friendships die this way blurring out of existence without even a proper funeral, just a big sigh of regret and a muttered 'fuck it.'

Well at least I guess that it also means I won't have to kick hir in the bits for saying something completely heinous. Last time we fought I had to replace a broken table lamp for my bartender and do the dance of shame. Luckily it is a werewolf bar so I was forgiven.
 
 
Quantum
13:03 / 03.11.06
Luckily it is a werewolf bar so I was forgiven.

That gives me a happy.
 
 
grant
13:04 / 03.11.06
I suppose you can ask your doc to refer you to a counsellor? I can't realistically go on handling all this shit, and I don't like offloading onto people around me... I feel I'm burdening and boring them. I know that's not how it is, but it's how I feel.

Yes. Go and do. This feeling is pretty common, and it's part of the reason why the occupation of counsellor exists in the way that it does. That what they're there for. (My Longanimous Spouse is one, so I know.) Seems like you'd be able to get a reference over the phone.
 
 
Papess
13:17 / 03.11.06
Any interest in starting a Switchboard or another Convo thread on this, Electix? I can see your frustration/misery, but I don't know if this is an appropriate place to comisserate or offer advice.

I was thinking of it, but I am not certain how to present it as a discussion. Perhaps, Corruption in Non-Profit Organizations? Or just my personal experience? Bah, I am miserable.

Wonderstarr, I am wishing you have a quick recovery from this surgery. What a difficult thing for you to have to endure. I suspect in the end, it is all quite necessary and will eventually help you, to offer a bit of optimism.

*weak smile*

Bah, let's just let ourselves be miserable.
 
 
Papess
13:19 / 03.11.06
*Grumble*
 
 
■
13:28 / 03.11.06
How about calling it: "Experiences of Whistleblowing - it's like pissing in the wind."
 
 
Spaniel
13:31 / 03.11.06
I think once you've got over the initial bumps you'll wonder why you didn't get to a counsellor sooner. It'll really help.

When I was seventeen I spent a year suffering from chronic anxiety, panic attacks and full blown depression and my counselling sessions were one of the few things I actually looked forward to. Which is saying something as I found pretty much all social contact incredibly difficult over that period*.


*The fact that, up until that point, I'd been a very gregarious, extroverted teen, made my situation even more difficult to deal with
 
 
Papess
15:15 / 03.11.06
Please forgive me if I am reading your situation wrong Wonderstarr.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:01 / 03.11.06
Thanks everyone. I will have to read this thread through, to establish if going through my local doc (who is OK) would be the best option, or through Victim Support (whom I haven't contacted before).

I know my feelings about counselling are quite common, and I know the counter-arguments. Maybe I'm just slightly the wrong generation to see counselling as, I don't know, a right everyone deserves, and a support most people might want at some point in their lives, rather than an admission of "defeat". I know it's not that, really, but another part of me says it is. When I was growing up, only people like Woody Allen saw counsellors. Americans, neurotics and rich people.

Apparently gangsters have therapy these days though.

Yeah, I'm sure a 2nd bout of surgery will upgrade me to some extent... it couldn't make things worse (well, it could I expect. You have to sign that thing saying you accept you could go blind) though I'm not sure I could get a guarantee that it would get me back to "normal". I just kind of wish I was my normal, mostly-symmetrical self. If I have to get cut up and have metal replaced in my face to get closer to that, then yeah it's the best option, but I... kind of wish this had never happened in the first place. My life "before" 1 September (how sad to see your life in terms of before and after, like that) wasn't perfect at all, but at least I had the face I was born for, what God or genetics gave me, rather than a face badly smashed in and imperfectly reconstructed.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:08 / 03.11.06
Also I've started enjoying Kelly Clarkson these days. I bought her album "Breakaway" last week. I don't know what's happening to me.
 
 
Ticker
22:59 / 03.11.06
oh! oh!

will the noble spouse actually pee on the catson for busting into the clean laundry and whizzing all over it?

oh oh what a bad cat I have! he is the pee meister! Surely his father will merely give him a stern talking to, surely the threat of peeing on the cat is in jest...

I mean that's just not acceptable. There would be a wet freaked out catson running all over the house shedding human pee everywhere. How is that better?

I'd most likely be sobbing in the tub scrubbing all the shirts clean after the wretched day. However Joy Division Oven gloves sent me a treasure trove of music so I shall pretend the day ended there.

Oh!
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
09:50 / 04.11.06
My experiences in cat discipline have taught me that cats do not understand retributive action unless it occurs while the cat's actually in the act of doing the Bad Thing.

While we think "ah, that fellow has urinated on me, let me associate this with possible urine-related transgressions of the past, why yes, the laundry, in retrospect I can see why this might have upset him,"

a cat's thought process is more like "PEE! AAAH! HEY, A SHOE! SHOELACE SNAKE KILL SNAKE! DOOR! HEY, OUTSIDE! HEY, I SMELL LIKE PEE! WHOA! HEY, ANGRY PERSON YELLING! HIDE UNDER BED! HEY, A DUST BUNNY! DUST BUNNY MOUSE KILL MOUSE! HEY, FOOD! I AM AWESOME! sleep now."
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:47 / 04.11.06
Barbelith arguments make my tummy rumble. I wish I could cast a spell to make everyone forget what they were arguing about, because there's no way that plan could backfire with hilarious consequences.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:49 / 04.11.06
I'm a vampire! A vampire with a soul!
 
 
Mistoffelees
10:58 / 04.11.06
a cat's thought process is more like "PEE! AAAH! HEY, A SHOE! SHOELACE SNAKE KILL SNAKE! DOOR! HEY, OUTSIDE! HEY, I SMELL LIKE PEE! WHOA! HEY, ANGRY PERSON YELLING! HIDE UNDER BED! HEY, A DUST BUNNY! DUST BUNNY MOUSE KILL MOUSE! HEY, FOOD! I AM AWESOME! sleep now."

Cats live in the here and now, are one with the all and can koan all night.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
11:23 / 04.11.06
I sympathise, xk. My beautiful cat used to be a big pee monster too. When he was a kitten, he used to be jealous of my lovers when they slept over, and once he sprayed on the bedcovers under which my girlfriend was sleeping. She was Not Amused. He also used to nip the other person in the bed when he wanted to sleep on the pillow next to me. It was my fault, really -- I spoilt him rotten, and had no idea how to train him. But there are solutions. He's now much more well-behaved and much happier, too. (It helps that I'm now living with someone, and that we made the bedroom out of bounds for the cat.)

My experiences in cat discipline have taught me that cats do not understand retributive action unless it occurs while the cat's actually in the act of doing the Bad Thing.

Yeah, absolutely. But cats can be definitly be trained. You just have to catch them at the exact moment and teach them to associate it with something unpleasant. Like, possibly, a little squirt of water. Or you cuold say sternly and loudly, 'No,' and teach the cat to associate 'no' with "I have to stop doing this.' Our cat understands 'no' now, although at the start, he used to just run away whenever we'd say one loud word. Then he learnt the difference between 'no' and other loud words, or loud snorts, or whatever.

The other thing is, does your cat have his own bed? Like, a chair and a blanket that's set aside especially for him to sleep on or wash on? Peeing on things, obviously, means marking out territory, which he may not need to do if he feels like he has somewhere that's totally his. Somewhere social is good (like, where you normally hang out in the house) and you can train the puss to want to be there by a) picking him up when he's asleep and depositing him on the chair carefully, so he settles there to start with; b) giving him lots and lots of pats if he turns up there by himself; c) sometimes food or doing something he really likes on the place you've set aside for him. Does your cat like being brushed? Try luring him with a brush, or a favourite toy. Eventually they get the idea. The place might change every couple of months, but it's a lot better to give them sole ownership of at least one space.

(Of course, you might already have somewhere like this, in which case the peeing might be about attention-seeking. Unfortunately, the only way to deal with attention-seeking is the unpleasant response, or to just ignore it completely.)

Hope this helps.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
22:29 / 04.11.06
miss wonderstarr - that is awful. Wish I could do more than send positive thoughts and energy your way.

...

Cats and dogs are a lot like little people.

I've moved back to my parents home for the last few months, so I can save to get a mortgage on a place of my own. That in and of itself makes me miserable but... I HAVE to love them. They're my parents.

The cats are now both nineteen years old. We adopted them when they were seven weeks old. Twins, well same litter, brother and sister. Silver tabbies, persian colours and tabby markings. Silver, black and white with rings on their paws.
They're old, I know that. Nineteen is old in cat years. Even so seeing them suffer is choking me up.
L has gone blind. He has cancer in his hind quarters which the vet thinks is in remission. Should get the blood tests early next week. The blindness may be due to his thyroid problems / high blood pressure which is causing a bleed in his brain. Watching him bumping into things and falling over. The kitten I used to play with what feels like only a few years past.
Me and my mam have been discussing where to bury him in the garden. It'll have to be deep so the foxes don't get him.
 
 
Ticker
18:31 / 09.11.06
ah here's to old kitty cats, and to you, valence!

It's hard and it hurts and there's nothing for it but to hold those memories of the kitten and cat you love close and stay closer yet to the living while you can. Anyone who thinks love is easy and lacks courage has never kept the dying company.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
21:56 / 10.11.06
Anyone who thinks love is easy and lacks courage has never kept the dying company.

Yes, I did that with my grandparents.
Just enjoying his company while I can. He's still walking into things and falling off the kitchentop, but he seems content when he gets pampered or lays in the sun.

Thanks xk
 
 
petunia
12:51 / 12.11.06
After finding out yesterday that my insurance premium is to go up by 50% due to the area i live in, i got a call at my door today from a security guard who told me some fucker had put a rock through my rear window.

There was nothing there to steal. It's a shitty car. I bought it for £70. Now i have the chocie of losing my no-claims bonus and risky even higher insurance costs or paying a good £200 up-front to get the window fixed.

I daydream about being carless and free, but the freedom it provides is extremely handy, and public transport ain't exactly cheap these days. I don't drive that much, but really appreciate the times i have my car available to me. I just don't know if that convenience is worth £35 a month, plus random costs for vandalism and servicing.

Fucking grumpy is what i am. But i'm tired. So the grump turns to misery.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
13:40 / 12.11.06
In Canada, the "real cost" of owning a car works out to about $16 a day. So you can probably afford the freedom the car gives you, plus a bunch of other nice things, without a car. A taxi every now and again is a lot less expensive than a car all the time.
 
 
petunia
14:22 / 12.11.06
$16 a day?

I need to do some sums...
 
 
Corey Waits
23:07 / 12.11.06
I'm miserable 'cause last night my girlfriend told me she wants to take a break for a couple of weeks.
But here's the worst part, we're going away to Thailand for three weeks in three weeks time, and she told me she wants to take the break when we get back.

So yay, now I have three weeks of wondering what the fuck is going on, and then three weeks worth of holiday that might just be a total fucking waste of time and money.

I completely understand, I basically stole her away from her ex, so between him and me, she hasn't had any real time to herself for about 4 years. She just wants some time to sort out what she wants to do with her life and all that.
I just wish she could've chosen a better way/time to go about it...

Anyway, just using this thread for it's intended purpose. I don't want to talk to any of my friends about this in case it turns out to be nothing, but it's good to get it off my chest here.
 
 
Spaniel
10:24 / 13.11.06
Eh, she wants to break up after the holiday? Blimey, my lad, you do find yourself in a mighty shit situation. Obviously I don't know her side of the story so I'm reluctant to offer any kind of judgement, but from where I'm sitting the words "having" "cake" "and" "eating" "it" spring to mind. I appreciate that you've probably shelled out a lot of readies for this holiday, but are you sure it's gonna be worth, you know, actually going? Sounds bloody hellish to me.
 
 
Spaniel
10:26 / 13.11.06
Also, you need to be pretty certain "take a break" doesn't mean break up for ever and ever. In my experience it usually tends to.
 
 
Ticker
17:55 / 13.11.06
re the cat pee:

the youngest catson aka Mr. PeePants was neutered late and so got into a bit of the spraying habit. He only does it on clothes left on the floor or laundry bags/bins. Odd that he peed on clean clothing.....
He's what we call a sunset brick, meaning as beautiful as a sunset and as dumb as a brick. Though he is 120% luv and I'm told gets horribly depressed when I'm away for a few days and pines watching out the front window for my return.

The elder catson is supa moody and one of the most intelligent cats I've ever met, and also very round.

My current misery is the spouse hast shorn his head. The tiny teeny fuzz left just looks weird and to say it doesn't suit is an understatement. I'm trying to adjust really I am but what do you do when your sweetie transforms over night into a physical presentation that you just don't dig? I know I know so shallow of me, but I now if I went and shaved my head down he'd be just as grumpy, hell if I reinstalled my mohawk he'd be unhappy.

Sigh.

Oh and it isn't just me that thinks it looks bad. One of our friends who has a similar haircut asked me if he'd lost a bet.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:34 / 13.11.06
Bank charged me £6.26 and haven't explained why. Can't say goodbye to my own fucking boyfriend because no one at work knows. It's Tuesday tomorrow. Can't go anywhere because I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere without a car. Suck suck suck no more stupid life.
 
 
Ticker
18:43 / 13.11.06
aw 'tis the right awful sucko that you can't even say goodbye...
Perhaps some extra phone/text covert contact is called for?
 
 
Corey Waits
21:16 / 13.11.06
Also, you need to be pretty certain "take a break" doesn't mean break up for ever and ever. In my experience it usually tends to.

Yeah, I don't think I know anyone who's 'taken a break' and ever recovered. It's normally just a way to postpone the breakup and the messy yelling matches and CD-divvying.

I tried to talk to her last night, but it's more of the same plus a few mixed signals. I'm not sure if she even knows what she wants.
Oh well, I spent all day yesterday stressing about it, now I'm going to be all zen and not worry. We'll see how it pans out.

Thanks for listening and all that Boboss.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:49 / 14.11.06
I cannot fun to day, I have the bleak.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
23:49 / 14.11.06
I keep trying to compose a miserable thread post but it just comes out so lame and pathetic that I quit in disgust and click the "recently updated thread" links.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
12:23 / 15.11.06


To paraphrase Jhonn Balance, why be bleak when you can be Blake?

(That image above is cheering me up now, so maybe I'm in the wrong thread).
 
 
Quantum
17:28 / 15.11.06
Why oh why don't I have an anthropology masters?
 
  

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