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Barefoot Doctor gets a kicking

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
20:59 / 19.04.04
And certainly if by making the Tao easier to understand the Barefoot Doctor happens also to make a mint, then he has done both good and well, and I for one salute him.

Love it. From Amazon's synopsis of the BD guide to Taoism:

Are you afraid of flying? Do you suffer from shyness? Do you sometimes feel sad in the summer? 'Barefoot Doctor' has a revolutionary holistic angle for every distressing aspect of modern life.

That's what the Tao means to me, guys. If he throws in some advice on investment funds I am so there.

I do find that thread rather worrying. Not sure which is more frightening - the voices crying out how good, brave and noble the Doctor was, and what shrivelled little people those who dare oppose him must be (is anyone else saying Barefoot Unicron here?), or those who have, in the dark of night, doubted the Doctor, but have been rubbing their kidneys extra hard in penitence...
 
 
Keri
09:14 / 20.04.04
I have felt very ambivalent re Barefoot Doctor. Sadly, I think he's a sign of the times and appeals mostly to middle englanders & Thatcher's children. He may nod and wink to others outside that, but that seems to be his catchment area. He obviously is good at marketing himself, very skilled I'd say, and now that spirituality is so chic, every estate agent in the country is buying into it.
Still, it's a free market and spirituality is just another thing to be bought and sold. I daresay though he does help a few people, but I find him unnuterably smug. Personally, I'd prefer him with less 'personality' and more message, but I daresay he wouldn't be able to market himself.
I think when he urged his readers to support Tony Blair on the run up to the war, I got concerned. He leaves me feeling very uneasy.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:36 / 20.04.04
siobhan I think when he urged his readers to support Tony Blair on the run up to the war,

That was probably just part of his contract as a Guardian columnist.
 
 
Ganesh
12:09 / 20.04.04
At that point, Tony was presumably busy massaging Georgie-boy's kidneys. Through the rectal wall. With his tongue.
 
 
Alan Nonomous
14:44 / 20.04.04
Hmmm, an interesting thread indeed. Where does this hatred come from? How is it that we, as a species, are so willing to completely write something off, without having the first idea what it is all about? Imagine, some guy logs onto a thread on a physics web site, and starts saying how.. 'all this talk of energy being conserved is a load of bullshit. Furthermore, the guy who suggested it should be murdered, in a horrible way.' Oh yeah, that would help, more death brought to this world, full to the brim of people killing each other just because they don't happen to agree. And does this guy know the first thing about physics? 'Well, I read an article in a paper once.' (I mean, a fucking newspaper, obviously the best place to go when you want to form a considered opinion about physics) Has he conducted his own experiments, from as objective a position as a nay-sayer can obtain? 'Well, no, but, but, energy isn't conserved... things cool down, err, err, and stop....'

How can we be so arrogant to think that we know more about something than someone who has spent their life working with it? How can we disregard writings gathered over nearly three millenia by people with genuine compassion and love for their fellow human beings, when it only takes a little practice, with an open mind, to show that there really is something to it?

I mean, I know it can give a sense of belonging, to form a little group of collective hate, and/or superiority, but come on, does it make you feel happy? I know you want with all your heart to believe your own deception, but honestly, does it make you happy to lord over people, showing how you are right, and they are wrong, you are clever, and they are stupid, worthy only of death because they happen to believe in things that dissagree with your view of reality? Or, does it infact simply further inflate your necessarilly scared little ego, trapping you all the more in a closed minded world of fear, where you can't even allow people to follow their own beliefs, even if they ARE totally wrong, I mean, how does it hurt you if someone comes to believe things are different than how you perceive them? Surely, if you were comfortable that your world view was beyond question, then you would just sigh a compassionate sigh for Stephen Russel and all the poor little people who have been duped by him (and the afore mentioned going on three thousand years worth of teachers all adapting the message to the particular bent of the times) and get on with your life with a feeling of ease and confidence?

It's no way to live peeps. If you think something is wrong, you have to know it inside out, or at least have studied it a bit, to be able to refute it, its no good just saying thats wrong because the 'Holy and Exulted I' say so, otherwise the whole thing is just an ego boosting experience, and a sign post reading along the lines of 'closed minded bigot'(and yes, I am aware of the subtle irony in the choice of noun.).

And as the Doc would rightly say, don't take it personally, or the point will just pass you by as your sense of self importance goes into defence mode. So come on, read a little ancient Taoism, if only to refute it with an open heart, and I bet you your life will be enriched by it.

With radiated love,

Alan Nonomous.
 
 
Ex
15:29 / 20.04.04
And does this guy know the first thing about physics? 'Well, I read an article in a paper once.'

This is where your gentle entreaties fall down, Mr Nonymous. This board has an astonishing collection of people with esoteric knowledge and belief. We have Tao coming out of our eyeballs. We also have various stripes of magickian (does that spelling work?), sundry buddhists, some Christians, some anarchists, and I'm standing on the sideline calling for the unilateral dismantling of gender.
This isn't the Church of the Closed Mind.

And thus, the rest of the thread has been, in the main, about the marketing and self-absorbtion of this particular guru, not an extended bit of Tao-kicking.

. So come on, read a little ancient Taoism, if only to refute it with an open heart, and I bet you your life will be enriched by it.

I'm sure it would be, and will be, and has been for many members.
I'm equally sure that the Barefoot Doctor makes me very, very angry.
 
 
Alan Nonomous
16:04 / 20.04.04
ah, then I must have taken the thread out of context, after reading the link that was presented at the beginning. My sincerest apologies. Ok, then let me re-direct my thinking somewhat... Surely the most valuable thing the barefoot doctor has done, is awaken interest in Taoism, in people who would otherwise go through life with no appreciation of the spiritual side of life. Afterall (IMO) Taoism was intended by its many collaborators to be as generic an approach to spirituality as it is possible to concieve, in order that it could be passed as easilly as possible to varying people and culture over the East. So, I see it that the man stephen russel ought to be forgiven for promoting a spiritual attitude, however he does it, as long as he promotes love and unity. Maybe he doesn't represent the tradition in its best light, but I think the things that seem to grate on people here, (ab fab'isement) are exactly what endears his approach to those who it was born of the Tao for. And when they, if they, decide like you that the man who brought them closer to a beautiful appreciation of the nature of reality is infact a money grabbing charlatan, they can drop him like a sack of shit, and pick up a copy of the Tao Te Ching etc, an toddle off smiling and thankful that some guy who was motivated by money just enriched their lives, commenting along the lines 'well, you just never know how things are going to turn out, do you?'

Something of your post smells a little strange to me though... If there are so many Taoists here, aren't the posts by certain contributors extremely offensive to them? I know you say that it was the way that the whole thing is marketed that angers you so, but it didn't read that way to me at all times, although this was plain from a few posts. Hmmm, I'm pretty sure that if people with an appreciation of the Tao had written all the posts, I wouldn't have felt like posting myself, but no matter. Its all about the love, and deciding that someone should be killed, and allowing yourself to be angered by someone, aren't motivated by love. And I reckon S. Russel is, regardless of the fact that he winds a few people up.

Big love,

Alan
 
 
Char Aina
16:39 / 20.04.04
sir, i direct you to the magick forum, recently retitled the temple. there you will find much more information on the spiritual credentials of barbelith.

If there are so many Taoists here, aren't the posts by certain contributors extremely offensive to them?

in what way?
why would taoists become angered by a lack of reverence for this quack? a man who, it seems to me, is about as good a proponent for mysticism as dido is for nosebleed techno.

even apart from the idea that

allowing yourself to be angered by someone, [is]n't motivated by love.


I'm pretty sure that if people with an appreciation of the Tao had written all the posts, I wouldn't have felt like posting myself, but no matter.


well, sure. some people here have no idea what the barefoot doctor is on about. some of them know about taoism, but some dont.

is it necessary to be christian to criticise the homophobic preacher who also believes that vampires are stealing his congregation? or to be muslim to criticise the al quaeda reading of the qu'rran?
i personally think taoism has much to teach. i also think the man calling himself the barefoot doctor has almost as much to learn.
 
 
Alan Nonomous
17:05 / 20.04.04
I do take your points, you don't need to know Taoism to decide that a particular man who studies Taoism is a tosser, and Taoists (whatever they may be) shouldn't be in anyway annoyed by a lack of reverence for anyone.

But what about killing someone for his beliefs, or even vocalising such silliness? Or how about ridiculing a system of health improvement which takes as its basis subtle energies, centred arround the organs, which have easily observable effects on the persons state of perception, simply because people at this time, in the high stress society we have built, tend to have problems that relate to the kidneys, causing a seeming over-emphasis on the stimulation of this area. Think about the overuse of the adrenal glands as we all try to stay up later than we did in our period of evolution, and are continually in a state of hightened stress as we try to get things done on time for work, knowing that our livelihoods depend on it, to pick up the kids, to pay the bills on time, to fit in some exercise, and feel guilty when the exercise goes out of the window, putting more pressure on doing it next week... And all of this being heaped on a system designed to help us run from a predator once in a while. No wonder the good Doc would have us rubbing our kidneys everyday.

However, this said, I re-read your thread, and I must say it wasn't nearly as scathing and irattional as it seemed coming off the back of the other thread. sorry.

A. Nonomous
 
 
Char Aina
17:37 / 20.04.04
But what about killing someone for his beliefs, or even vocalising such silliness?


um... you probably dont want to go in here, then...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:44 / 20.04.04
I'd just like to direct Alan up the page to where Flyboy links to this article which is what caused me to stop worrying and learning to seriously dislike the Doc.

At least Phil fucking Collins looked out of his Mercedes window and then told us how awful it was to be homeless. The Barefoot Doctor doesn't seem to be aware that the universe is not about him.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:56 / 20.04.04
However, this said, I re-read your thread, and I must say it wasn't nearly as scathing and irattional as it seemed coming off the back of the other thread. sorry.

Study things before talking about them - books, threads, people. Examine your own need to feel better than others before weighing in with abuse.

Now that you have made clear that you care little for learning or understanding, two pretty key elements of successful Taoism, and much for insulting others for their ignorance in a thread you did not originally bother to read, why exactly should we allow ourselves to be distracted by your desire to patronise?

I suggest going away, having a little think, and retunring with open hands.
 
 
Keri
19:45 / 20.04.04
Or Ldy f t Flwrs (abbrev.)

Our Lady- re his urging his readers to support Blair, it was on his website, so not something the Grauniad would have contracted him to do. That I found well dodgy. Doubt his fans did but nevertheless.
 
 
Alan Nonomous
20:28 / 20.04.04
well mick hucknall, thats different... ;-)

And hey, I read the thread, I wouldn't have much to say about it if I hadn't, it was just heavilly tainted by the content I had read previously in the referenced thread from another site, and that's not to say that some of the stuff in here wasn't pretty guttural, just not worthy of exactly the response they engendered, is all. And its pretty insulting to say I'm not interested in learning or understanding, I really am, always have been, and its not as helpful in Taoism as you might expect. There's a certain amount of investing in loss inherant in Taoist development, which, and I'm sure this is aparent, is not my strongest virtue.

Alan
 
 
ephemerat
12:57 / 03.05.04
Dear Flyboy,

I've just looked to my right and noticed that my dear friend and housemate owns a copy of Twisted Fables for Twisted Minds by the Barefoot Doctor. Worse still, another one of my close friends also owns a book by him and, even viler than that, my ex-girlfriend seems not far from believing that the sun shines from his simpering, smug, holistically wholegrain arse. What can I do Flyboy? These are all intelligent and otherwise seemingly rational individuals? Can I prevent myself from occasionally targeting them with drunkenly outraged rants or sarcastic jibes? Should I flog them? Or worse? Or is there a more peaceful solution to this problem?

Worried, Southampton.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
02:11 / 04.05.04
Alas, Cass, the only way to battle Barefoot Unicron is with the Barefoot Creation Matrix (which has been corrupted, probably with tetanus) or Barefoot Optimus Prime (who is actually pretty much ipso facto barefoot, really).

Failing that, try massaging your kidneys until you reach a state of satori, thus allowing you to forget that your friends and relatives are turning into grain-fed hominids with dream catchers for fingers.
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
08:56 / 04.05.04
Or you could massage their kidneys. With hammers.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:23 / 04.05.04
Surely the most valuable thing the barefoot doctor has done, is awaken interest in Taoism, in people who would otherwise go through life with no appreciation of the spiritual side of life

Hell no, if Taoism was my thing than I'd want the Barefoot Doctor to be far, far away from it. He is branding something pretty with his own bad name.
 
 
penitentvandal
21:00 / 04.05.04
honestly, does it make you happy to lord over people, showing how you are right, and they are wrong, you are clever, and they are stupid, worthy only of death because they happen to believe in things that dissagree with your view of reality?

Well, yes.
 
 
penitentvandal
21:01 / 04.05.04
And you can't spell 'disagree', by the way.
 
 
weathered
10:34 / 13.05.04
over at the barefoot forum we debated long and hard about the commercial angles - here's the man himself's reply!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:42 / 13.05.04
"Soften your chest. Relax your buttocks."

God I hate him.

His logo even has a little halo of warm, spiritual sunshine emanating from his head! Look!



Would there really be anything wrong with setting this man on fire?
 
 
illmatic
10:47 / 13.05.04
Flyboy, I've been on the phone to the Doc this morning and he said he understands where you're coming from and he's got a lot of love for you.
 
 
Grey Area
10:52 / 13.05.04
Not only that, but the man needs a basic lesson in text formatting:



Solid block 'o text is so 1995 man.
 
 
weathered
11:45 / 13.05.04
mmm....i think you lot are probably right, i have an interest in the TAO stuff but writers like Mark Forstater, Alan Watts write/wrote without selling bath lotion and happy juice - just books. But when one joins the forum, and asks pointed questions -they all close ranks in defence of the deity.
 
 
weathered
12:06 / 13.05.04
http://www.exclusivebooks.com/interviews/ftf/barefootdoc.php?Tag=&CID=

bless him! does anubody think the diverse product range matters? isn't it a little immoral?
 
 
ephemerat
13:29 / 13.05.04
Good news to all, our favourite quack has a new book coming out:

Manifesto: The Internal Revolution

*Want more money/wealth?
*Want more love/sex?
*Want a new job/career?
*Want boundless health, energy and radiant beauty?
*Want to find your true path through the maze of modern life and reach your goal of full self-expression, live long and prosper? Manifesto shows you the way, with ancient Taoist visualisation, positive thinking and relaxtion techiniques made simple and clear, backed up by sound, practical Taoist philosophies and attitudes to encourage you as you go and help you keep it all in perspective.


What the fuck? What is this? Make the Tao work for you?! (Easy assembly guaranteed. No batteries included.)
 
 
ephemerat
13:30 / 13.05.04
Gah. Fucknut.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:39 / 13.05.04
thanks for reminding me... I think he has a signing in Borders in Angel coming up... (unless I missed it)... unfortunately it is/was a work night... otherwise I was gonna turn up with pies.
 
 
Bed Head
13:45 / 13.05.04
Perhaps a group could be turn up in order to pelt him with some dingo’s kidneys.
 
 
A Friend
08:45 / 14.05.04
Against all principles of Tao - the Doc is showing insecurity about wealth, fear of losing the "customers" he has created. The forum members cannot win, he says "f*** 'em" if they don't like it.

He says "I received hundreds of emails form all over the globe yesterday in response to yesterday's DocBox, where among other things, I discussed the, 'Is Barefoot a con man?' debate going on in the Madhouse Forum, all expressing the kindest, most encouraging sentiments, for which I'm extremely grateful and am indeed more touched than I can express. It's hard to describe the gift of connectedness but that's the gift we're giving each other here - pure love - and we don't even have to leave our armchairs to do it." in today's Doc Box. I have escaped.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:32 / 14.05.04
We could make him a Doc Box...
 
 
Ganesh
09:34 / 14.05.04
Like in The Vanishing?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:55 / 17.05.04
Was genuinely astounded to see the Barefoot Doctor's range of body products in my local Boots. Including his 'Damn Sexy Heavenly Body Butter', 'Damn Sexy Orgasmic Body Spray', and worst of all, the 'Damn Sexy Scent for Secret Places':

Anticipated Action: Erotic response enhancement via specific trigger points to engender amplification of overall (mind/body) sensuality.

Crikey.
 
 
sleazenation
13:04 / 17.05.04
So how many bottles did you buy kitkat?
 
  

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