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Barefoot Doctor gets a kicking

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
18:58 / 22.10.03
BiP makes a very good point, and I probably set that out badly. Of course, the Barefoot Doctor is *allowed* to be interested in other medical traditions. He is likewise *allowed* to practice as a herbalist, or whatever he represents himself as. What I was pissed off about there was not the Barefoot Doctor himself (although, for the record, he does come across as insufferably smug and rather stupid), but the fact that a similarly bish-bosh approach to Eastern medicine, practiced by a non-backpacker "barefoot doctor", would not get a weekly column in a national broadsheet, unless he or she was prepared to forgo the medical stuff and talk about make-up tips for non-white skin.

The Barefoot Doctor, like Julie Burchill and the Erotic Review, is broadsheet acceptable; this is partly his fault and partly society's. Regrettably, while it is possible to overturn society metaphorically, one must physically upend the hemp-trousered cockrig in the street to achieve the same effect.

Repeatedly.

(The shrews chitter soothingly to me. I keep them away from his column in the Observer, for the shrews are too sweet to know hatred)
 
 
captain piss
21:30 / 22.10.03
I think he’s got approaching 20 years practical experience in the whole 'healing' thing, on top of some formal study – seem to remember from an interview in the Observer a year or so back.

Think I agree with Illmatic a bit – reducing everything to a quick column does seem to show these ideas in a poor light…it does come across quite smugly, as well as vague and hippy-ish. It also probably doesn’t win many votes with the scientifically-minded to use terms like ‘kidney energy’, without further explanation of what he means by this.

I would have to say, however, that the books do offer a lot more of a solid read –an easy-going and quite subtle one, for those who recoil from self-help speak (I’m inclined to think – could be wrong)

And I don’t see why it all has to be six-months-meditating-on-a-mountaintop stuff– I think the kitchen sink enlightenment vibe has a place. Doing a bit of meditation while you clean the house or whatever - to take a stupid example - is maybe all most people can make time for, with work & family pressures. Sure you’ll get a lot more out of an investment of many months – he doesn’t shy away from this so much in his books, which are intended to be read by people who’re definitely interested, rather than flicking idly through a Sunday supplement.
 
 
Ganesh
23:51 / 22.10.03
I think he’s got approaching 20 years practical experience in the whole 'healing' thing, on top of some formal study – seem to remember from an interview in the Observer a year or so back.

Has he published his results, then?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:09 / 23.10.03
Troll is a barbelith-centric word so my only question is- who is tinytinymouse?
 
 
Olulabelle
10:56 / 23.10.03
Oh dear. But I do feel sorry for the actual man with the 'job' of being Barefoot Doctor who obviously believes what he writes and thinks he's helping people, but yet has to sit and reply to sarcastic online comments everyday because the paper wants him to. I mean, how demoralising, knowing everyone appears to think you're rubbish.
 
 
Ganesh
10:57 / 23.10.03
'Troll' has a much wider usage beyond Barbelith, Anna...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:13 / 23.10.03
Really because I've only come across it on barbelith related boards, places with cross mod's or barbelith users. Maybe it's just a newish word.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:39 / 23.10.03
olulabelle, your empathy is touching, and as I said as well, I can't help feeling sorry for people being humiliated in public. But think about this- fuckloads of people have telesales jobs in which they spend all day, every day, being told to fuck off by members of the public. And they get paid much less. (Begins to relive particularly unpleasant week-and-a-half in the early 90s...)

And (totally blows well-reasoned argument out of water) many of them probably have far less... well... punchable faces.
 
 
w1rebaby
12:33 / 23.10.03
Anna, I think you need to get out less.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:57 / 23.10.03
Or, you know, spend some time on the BBC message boards or something. Apparently the Kylie board doesn't use 'troll'.
 
 
captain piss
16:08 / 23.10.03
'Nesh: I'm unaware of any results he's published, if any...But then again, I thought the value of double-blind trials and all the rest of it- while being of indisputable value for drugs and so on- was less apparent in many of the more nebulous, subjective areas of therapy/treatment he recommends (and he does only seem to promote these as an adjunct to seeing your GP etc.)

Then again, he does recommend a lot of herbal treatments and the like which, as far as I'm aware, have yielded little in the way of concrete results... echinacea, milk thistle etc, (at least according to NewScientist cover story of about two years ago on alternative remedies)
I guess I'm only sticking up for the bugger as I've found a few of his suggestions useful during various bouts of ill health, both psychological (anxiety disorder) and physical (arthritis), in recent years- situations where western medicine seemed to have largely fuck all to offer me (maybe I just had crap doctors).
And it helped fire my enthusiasm for a lot meditative, martial arts type stuff, which has been pretty transformative for me - and this was before I came to this site and found lots of other bods with opinions to share
 
 
Cherry Bomb
16:19 / 23.10.03
I'm sorry, but I love barefoot doctor! Mainly because I find him hilarious. "Can't sleep? Turn around clockwise three times while saying, 'I am prepared to handle life's frustrations..'" I always want to know just what advice is going to be. Also I love his stories. "You know, when I was living in Sedona, training to be a guru..." Fantastic!!

You must admit, the humor factor is good...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:38 / 05.01.04
Many thanks to Ex for bringing to my attention a whole new level of smug offensive patronising Barefoot twattery, which either tips the scales in favour of the "it's a wind-up" argument, or proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the man should be publicly blinded and then beaten to death with his own severed limbs.

I find myself being driven along on the well-sprung rear seat of a smart Mercedes to an early morning TV studio, there to talk about the antidote to the January blues. As we stop at the lights, my eye is caught by a man in his mid-30s rummaging through an Oxford Street rubbish bin with well-practiced hands.

...

He reminds me, that guy, as he wipes something from the inside of his lips with fingers fresh out of an Oxford Street bin, to have the humility and grace to appreciate my current position and condition.

...

Just then, the traffic lights change, the Mercedes moves off and he looks up. Our eyes briefly meet - both of us slightly, subtly shocked at the contact. 'Thank you,' I mouth, smiling. He looks confused for a second, then smiles back and winks.


I mean, FUCK. Someone explain to me how it would be in any way morally objectionable to hunt this gross little shit of a man down and put him out of his misery?
 
 
Cat Chant
15:50 / 05.01.04
Would it be better to adopt the usual strategy of effacing all traces of the encounter?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:20 / 05.01.04
It's an odd one. On the one hand, he is indeed not effacing the encounter. However, he is romanticising it massively and in rather a dangerous way. Dangerous for one because it means he can, by mouthing "thank you", give the homeless man a gift far more precious than money, food, or security - the approbation of the Barefoot Doctor. Two, because he gets to edit completely both how the man is feeling (zen-like, apparently), and how he reacts (the smile and the wink. Really, anyone?). Third, of course, because it suggests that the most important thing that man could do in his life is provide the oportunity for the BD to spin out some homilies about the importance of counting our blessings, rather than any personhood he himself may have.

And, finally, because it means that the Barefoot Doctor is, on a spiritual level, precisely as evolved as Sporty Spice. Can two such beings share a single planet?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
00:40 / 06.01.04
That's a hell of a question, Deva, but I think I'd have to conclude that what the Barefoor Doctor is doing *is* worse, because apart from anything else, the political ramifications of this column are actually actively conservative if you scratch the surface. Fate has dealt the Barefoot Doctor one lot in life and the nameless object of his condescention another, and that's just the way it is. Several times during the column the Barefoot Doctor makes a statement which you would expect to be followed by the suggestion that the status quo is unfair and that action should be taken to rectify this in some small way (if this had been written by anyone with a shred, a fucking SHRED of humanity), only to swerve to avoid even the slightest implication that anything should actually be done to change things. Example:

This scene and revelation could be occurring at any time of year, but the thought of all those billions just spent on presents, decorations, food and drink, and being spent even now in the sales, lends it a particular poignancy that drives the message home and inspires me to suggest...

To suggest - go on, let's guess what he's going to suggest. Making donations to Shelter? Doing volunteer work? Sparing 10p? Oh no. Oh no no no no no.

...inspires me to suggest a moment of recalibrating your own set of expectations of how external reality should be treating you against a more humble attitude.

So what this column does is claim to present a realisation of privilege and inequality whilst simultaneously setting up a reaction of inaction and complacency (in the form of the borderline meaningless hippy jargon claptrap above) as if it were a morally laudable, 'enlightened' and even radical form of action. The man in the Mercedes writes a list of his privileges and other benefits in his life, writes "I am deeply thankful for this" at the bottom, and the debt is squared. He can sleep with a sound conscience. This is evil filth.
 
 
Bed Head
01:01 / 06.01.04
Barefoot Doctor is a joke, man. It’s a con. He knows full well he’s writing bollocks. Nobody *that* successful is *that* stupid, it’s just not possible. It’s like a newspaper horoscope, except for scumbags.

The people that you need to kill are the Observer readers who take it seriously. Thank the barefoot doctor for making it easy for you to pick them out.

And, Jesus, calm down already. Who really expects a bloody newspaper not to be evil filth?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:11 / 06.01.04
If this man is so bright than he can damn well stop treating the rest of us like idiots. There's bright and bright and this man clearly lacks something (can you imagine the terrible hybrid that would exist if he mated with Burchill).
 
 
The Knights Templar Boogie Machine
15:31 / 06.01.04
This is the shit that ruminates in them fields at glastonbury where parents ripped to the gills on psychotropic chemicals parade their confused children around like guidedogs for the blind while all the time thinking that they 'beating the system' and 'living in harmony with nature' and other such delusional trains of thought. Incidentally i avoid these fields like the plague save getting accosted by small groups of washed out trolls trying to sell me dodgy hashcakes and crap jewellry and other assorted delusional ephemera...Come to think of it, there are'nt many fields at glastonbury i like, as they have'nt built the thanatonic energy tent yet have they?...Anyway, what was i saying anyway?.............

Barefoot doctor? - fuck him up the arse with a great big monamine oxide inhibitor...........
 
 
Bed Head
15:53 / 06.01.04
If the barefoot doctor lacks anything, it’s a conscience. He’s certainly not lacking in brains or initiative. Writing this stuff earns him a colossal amount of cash year in, year out: why in God’s name should he give all that up to write something sensible? You’re acting as if he’s the only con man on the planet, he’s just following a long tradition of exploiting the sick, the desperate, the gullible and the terminally middle-class. Just because he writes for the Observer doesn’t make him a nice man.


Burchill, on the other hand, may well be a cynical hack, but is also clearly halfway deranged.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
00:02 / 07.01.04
To threadrot slightly... Did you read her last Guardian column? Christ almighty. I think after reading it we're supposed to take a swig of victory gin, turn our weeping eyes to the heavens and finally acknowledge the truth that, yes, we love Big Burchill.
 
 
Bed Head
00:00 / 12.04.04
So, in the Independent today, the Barefoot Doctor offered some helpful advice for Posh. Brace yourselves:

While your marriage may have been made in heaven, you must accept that people operate on a more earthly, instinctual level. True wisdom lies in accepting this and forgiving it, even and especially with those close to you. This implies not taking it personally. Leaving a man of high energy on his own in a foreign country, relatively trifling indiscretions like this are eventually bound to occur but this in no way need reflect on you or give rise to feelings of inadequacy as a woman.

Spend time now rebuilding your confidence in yourself: there's nothing as alluringly sexy to regain a man's attention. Try this daily three-minute self-help technique. Go outside and standing straight with shoulders fully relaxed, open your arms wide as if embracing the entire universe and say (or even sing, if you can), "What I am is profoundly beautiful and magnificent - even gods and spirits are drawn to me, not to mention mere mortals!"

Also be sure to eat beetroot every day as this enriches your liver energy which in turn gives you more animal confidence. Be diligent with the practice and you'll find the more you accept human imperfection in both yourself and your husband, the more real, rather than ideal and hence genuinely rewarding your marriage and family life will become.



I was sneering right up until I got to the bit about the beetroot.
 
 
w1rebaby
00:05 / 12.04.04
Yeah, the beetroot thing definitely works. My liver's so energetic, it has to have lead shielding.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:14 / 12.04.04
But Doctor... I think the problem is that hubby's had someone else massaging his kidneys...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
03:27 / 12.04.04
Not to mention his prostate.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
03:37 / 12.04.04
You mean he paid her?

...oh. I see.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:03 / 12.04.04
Barefoot Doctor is a joke, man. It’s a con. He knows full well he’s writing bollocks. Nobody *that* successful is *that* stupid, it’s just not possible. It’s like a newspaper horoscope, except for scumbags.

Hmm. My God-Parents own a very, very successful business that specialises in nutritional supplements/alternative therapies/a load of old bollocks and they believe every word of what they sell and print. I also know another incredibly successful guy in this field who owns a similar (sister) company and who may well consolidate some kind of TV career soon. In fact, I've spent my entire life surrounded by these people, and what unites them is sincerity.

You may not buy it, but don't get it into yr head that they don't. It's quite possible to make a shit-load of money selling silliness and still have integrity.
 
 
Myshka
17:41 / 17.04.04
or even sing, if you can
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:19 / 17.04.04
The thing is, Boots are selling a range of herbalistic bollocks which have the Barefoot Doctor name on them, coincidence or genuine 'yak-spittle-as-cure-for-incontinence' stuff? I didn't look too closely because I had to rush home and consult my Tarot cards.
 
 
A Friend
12:10 / 19.04.04
you've seen nothing til you've seen this - barefootdoctorworld.co.uk/forum
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:04 / 19.04.04
They can see us.

So, I'm a bit confused with how this all works. Is the 'Barefoot Doctor' a composite creation of how the marketing people of the Barefoot Doctor brand think an overprivilidged eternal gap year student traveller would react, or is he Pete Tong, offering genuine advice while trying to covertly direct people to his brand when he can?
 
 
weathered
13:18 / 19.04.04
Well.......the forum on the Barefoot website is for people who have read the books, taken an interest in Taoism ( among many other ways of thinking!) or need help with problems of health or spiritual in nature. We, ourselves, at times, wonder at the message the Doc puts across. Sometimes debates on the forum question the same things questioned here on this thread, the commercialism, some of the examples, the reference to catalan palaces etc etc. But generally, as the Doc is known personally to some of the team, we accept that he is doing his best to help others, if that makes him rich........fine - so what. We don't have to buy the products, like any commercial enterprise.....he informs people they're out there and caveat emptor, it's up to you.buy them. don't buy them.

The real point is that none of this works for everyone all of the time, some of it does for some of us, and he says it with humour, he doesn't take himself that seriously at all really. The Tao is complex to understand, he makes it easier, that's it. nothing else. This thread makes interesting reading, looking at the barefoot forum, many of the members have asked the same things, in almost as cynical a way as on here. But to be fair as long as people feel better aboutn themselves, does it really matter a fuck how the message gets to them?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:42 / 19.04.04
Well, of course it matters how people get to feel better about themselves. I for example could feel better about myself by paying beautiful women lots of money to provide me with 'companionship'... or I could feel better about myself by denouncing everyone else on Barbelith as intellectually inferior... or by stomping all over my colleagues in order to ensure I get promotion/a payrise before they do...

Obviously those are rather extreme examples, but I think that some of the Barefoot Doctor's prescriptions give the impression that it is all right to feel good about oneself in terms of one's privileged position - and I mean to feel actively good about one's privileged position in relation to people who are denied that position, and about not doing anything about that or even feeling bad about it.
 
 
weathered
13:42 / 19.04.04
In essence he's offering genuine advice and trying to convert to his brand where he can yes.
 
 
weathered
13:48 / 19.04.04
Yes KitKat i know what you mean, he comes across often as "look what i have" "look what i did" - and many of us have been unsure of that, what i meant was feeling better in real terms about how things affect us, my life contained a tragedy, which set me back in a lot of ways, i lost my way big time and tried a lot of things to sort it all out. The BD stuff hit a nerve - the humour and approach worked for me. Not for everybody. These points are still debated regularly on the forum. Like i said i thought it was all crap at one point, 'til i tried it properly and stopped worrying about things so much.
 
  

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