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Barefoot Doctor gets a kicking

 
  

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Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:03 / 28.01.07
Sorry, x-post with 'Nesh there.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
23:17 / 28.01.07
OMIGOD!! I've applied ointment to Xoc's back!

Again, I think the GMC would have a degree of flexibility here, partly because it's accepted that doctors will occasionally treat friends and family. If it were a regular thing to the extent that one's spouse were not registered with a GP and depended on one for all their medical care, then I'd see that as more dodgy.


Well, if i was in a relationship with someone who had the necessary skills and knowledge to treat my medical problem, and the nature of the relationship was such that that person was the person i felt more comfortable with than anyone else about body-related stuff, the idea of going to anyone else for that problem would just seem bizarre, counter-intuitive and pointless. I am absolutely sure there are many people who feel differently, but i think it's reasonably intuitive that many people would feel the same way... why go to a doctor who is a stranger, if your partner (who in this hypothetical relationship i'm assuming is the person you're most open with about your-body-related things) is one?

Yes, it is. Perhaps you want to start a thread there?

OK, add that to the ever-increasing pile of Head Shop threads that i'm going to start eventually, when i have the time and mental resources necessary...

The logical extension of your argument is that it's absolutely fine for doctors to have sex with their patients so long as they're adult and consenting, the power imbalance of the therapeutic relationship counting for nothing.

Well, yes. I think it's absolutely fine for anyone to have sex with anyone so long as they're adult and consenting. And i tend to see the "therapeutic relationship" as (in its ideal form) analogous to one of consumer/supplier, much like the relationship one might have with, say, a plumber or a computer repair person, rather than one of "power over" in any way other than insomuch as skill and knowledge equal power. I guess i'm following Bakunin there...

I'm aware (all too aware, as a disabled person, from personal experience as well as that of loved ones and friends) that the relationship, in its currently prevalent form, isn't like that - but i think it's permissible to talk about how you think things should be, even if that contradicts how they presently are...

sex with what are essentially groupies carries a whiff of exploitation. For me, anyway.

Well, it may be exploitation in a sense, but i really wouldn't consider it exploitation on the same level as, say, that of wage workers by capital, of women's labour by patriarchy, etc. I think it's more parallel to, say, selling some in-demand comic or record for a ridiculous price on eBay being "exploitation" of the mug/obsessive collector who pays that price for it...

Mordant's points require lengthier consideration... and, as this is getting somewhat like threadrot, it might be better to split this discussion off into another thread (which Ganesh or Mordant are welcome to start, but which i don't know if i'll have the time for Head Shop-level response to in the immediate future)...
 
 
Ganesh
23:35 / 28.01.07
Don't have much time for this right now, but this

Well, yes. I think it's absolutely fine for anyone to have sex with anyone so long as they're adult and consenting. And i tend to see the "therapeutic relationship" as (in its ideal form) analogous to one of consumer/supplier, much like the relationship one might have with, say, a plumber or a computer repair person, rather than one of "power over" in any way other than insomuch as skill and knowledge equal power.

is flawed. It's all well and good to view the therapeutic relationship in this way but while that may well reflect your (idealised) model, it's very different for some. I have some experience of this. Off the top of my head, I know of two cases which reached the GMC, in which the clinicians initiated sex in the context of counselling, in one case for bereavement. Both situations involved adults who would've been viewed as "consenting" but who subsequently felt they'd been exploited - and I think they had. I can think of another GMC case in which sex (again, with a consenting adult) was enacted as part of 'sex therapy'.

I think your consumer/supplier model underplays the intimacy and potential emotional intensity of allowing a professional stranger access to one's body or, for that matter, one's mind. Dynamic psychotherapy is the classic example, but lesser degrees certainly exist. I don't think it's overly glamourising the role of the doctor to suggest that he is in a position of considerable power, and explicit boundaries are required.

I'll return to this.
 
 
JOY NO WRY
09:31 / 29.01.07
Crackdown aims to cure ills of alternative therapists

"ALTERNATIVE therapists are to be regulated as part of a new crackdown on medical professionals who abuse patient trust, it was reported last night.

A government White Paper, to be published next month, will address the problem of tackling rogue doctors, but will also look to tackle the growing number of therapists and alternative healing practitioners. Currently, alternative medicine practitioners are not subject to registration or any form of sanctions from a controlling professional body."

You see what the BFD has highlighted for us in the selfless sacrifice of his...um... 'credibility'? You lot are too cynical, that's what I think.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:58 / 29.01.07
nataraja why go to a doctor who is a stranger, if your partner (who in this hypothetical relationship i'm assuming is the person you're most open with about your-body-related things) is one?

Have you watched the first three series of The West Wing?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:21 / 29.01.07
Or indeed the first two series of Green Wing...
 
 
Quantum
12:30 / 29.01.07
much like the relationship one might have with, say, a plumber

Is it just me that thought of the beginning of bad porn there? Hi, I am der plumber ja? I haf come with my huge tool...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:35 / 29.01.07
Dude, this is Barbelith. What else would people be thinking? The soundtrack of the Hive Mind was all like wikka-wakka wikka wakk wow wow wakka wow...
 
 
Quantum
13:46 / 29.01.07
"I'm so glad you've come, shaznay and I were just trying to take a shower- can you help us?" wak-wakka-wak-wakka beeyooown-beyown-beyoown wakka-wakka...
 
  

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