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Batman Begins

 
  

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The Falcon
11:27 / 02.12.03
In the cartoon, it's pronounced raiche al-Ghul.

And apparently, it's Dark-side, not Darkseed, which it bloody looks like [Darkseid].
 
 
FinderWolf
13:29 / 02.12.03
Let's all quietly join hands and pray that these rumors of Bale wanting camp it up are false, and that if they are true, that Christopher Nolan will smack Bale around and tell him this is going to be hardcore, noir superhero film.

And I think Michael Caine as Alfred would be a little...much. I dunno, he just doesn't seem right to me. Michael Gough (Alfred in the 4 Batman films) was primo. Plus, Caine is fat now. Alfred should be a tall, thin, British, very proper-looking old man.

One thing that might support the dreaded campy lighter-tone rumors is the report yesterday, on www.cinescape.com and other places, I'm sure, that Clint Eastwood is in talks to play the mayor of Gotham City. When asked about it, Eastwood said something like "I'd like to do some lighter fare in my career [implying that Batman would be 'lighter fare' for him." But I believe in Christopher Nolan. I believe in Christopher Nolan. My new mantra
 
 
doctorbeck
15:18 / 02.12.03
i dunno, a camper lighter batman and 'my name is' michael caine as alfred would be alright by me after the dreary and unsatisfying grotesque/darkness of the past films,

face it bat fans, the victor romero* joker from the camp tv series was the scariest bat villian to move on the screen, camp can be dark...iykwim

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*may have the name wrong, hangs head in anticipatory shame
 
 
gridley
16:58 / 02.12.03
Cesar Romero was in fact a much scarier Joker than Jack Nicholson. That's true. Mostly because he actually played up the whole scary clown vibe. Nicholson's Joker wasn't so much a clown as a gangster coming out of the closet.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:42 / 02.12.03
I would have to seriously disagree with you that Romero's Joker was remotely scary, and very seriously disagree with the idea that Jack Nicholson's Joker didn't completely rule and capture the character's essence to a "T". But that's just my opinion

More Bat-rumors: (from Comics2Film at www.comicbookresources.com)

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BATMAN: INTIMIDATION GAME

Batman-on-Film has new rumors on casting: they cast aspersions on the idea of Clint Eastwood in the new movie, bolstered by an old quote made by Eastwood ("I'm too old to make comic books. I like adventure films. I like a good adventure film as much as the next guy. But, it's not for me") from Empire magazine; that Katie Holmes ("Dawson's Creek") is in talks to play Bruce Wayne's girlfriend (Talia?); backing up Christopher Eccleston-as-Scarecrow rumors; and that "the other major villain is a businessman who once clashed with Bruce Wayne's father, Dr. Thomas Wayne, yet no one is in talks for that role as of yet." Given existing rumors that the main villain is Ra's al Ghul, would this make a deeper connection between the Bat and the Demon's Head? We'll keep our eye on this one.

SUPERMAN

Superman-V.com reports that Justin Timberlake has turned down the role of Jimmy Olsen (possibly clearing room for Fred Savage), who said, "I told them, 'Whatever you're smoking, dude, I don't want any of it. It's just not me."

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Another rumor on AintItCoolNews was that Fred Savage's younger brother was in talks to play Jimmy Olsen. Timberlake's comment is pretty funny. He would be a pretty stupid Jimmy, so I'm glad he's not interested.

Kate Holmes as Talia?!?! All wrong, IMHO. Get Catherine Zeta-Jones. End of story. Kate Holmes is too young and has a weird non-Bond girl look to her - Talia should be an exotic, sexy Bond girl, she should look like she could be royalty. And she shouldn't look 23.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:44 / 02.12.03
Also, am I the only one who thinks INTIMIDATION GAME is a sucky title? Not very cool sounding... it sounds almost academic to me. But if the movie's great, the weird subtitle won't matter to me.
 
 
Saint Keggers
20:03 / 02.12.03
It sounds like a title for a crappy video game. Soon we will be playing the Batman: Intimidation Game game.

Why does hollywood make such obviously stupid ideas?
Katie Holmes? Justin Timberlake? What? No Britney or Bennifer?

Micheal Caine, Clint Eastwood? They're putting actors in a batman movie??? What a novel idea.
Eastwood would make a kick ass Scarecrow (as we have little chance of seeing that happen)and hopefully have some pull so the film doesn't suck the big one like those Schumacher atrocities.
 
 
Mike-O
01:28 / 03.12.03
I like Eastwood as Mayor.... it'd make the dynamic between Bale and him a little more intense, so that's always a good thing. I'm more interested in who they cast for Gordon, tho.... ideas?
 
 
CameronStewart
05:28 / 03.12.03
I really, REALLY hope Michael Caine isn't cast as Alfred. Don't get me wrong, Caine is one of my favourite actors (I even have a giant print of him as Harry Palmer framed on my living room wall), but at this point I'm going to have trouble thinking of him as anyone other than MICHAEL CAINE. He's just not Alfred Pennyworth.
 
 
01
11:01 / 03.12.03
All I say is bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

Micheal Caine as Alfred? Bullshit. Too gruff of an exterior. Too blue collar. Bullshit.

Clint Eastwood as the mayor? Does he carry a Smith and Wesson into council meetings? Bullshit. Well, then agian, wait a second, he actually might not be bad...

Cute li'l Katie Fucking Holmes as the exotic and deadly Talia? Why not get John Holmes for fuck's sakes and just put me out of my misery? This movie is being cast like shit. Why does Hollywood insist on miscasting all these comic book femme fatales with weekly television series wide eyed gals, who pass notes in third period about well, you know...boys. Jennifer Garner as Electra? C'mon...I don't care how hot she is.

Someone playing a former business rival of Thomas Wayne? To whoever wrote this shit into the script: Please take a red felt pen and write "I love Joel Schumacher" in big bold letters on the actual physical script and then proceed to shove it up your ass. Why resort to such fucking lame Hollywood convention? This is what fucked up the first Batman. The Joker being responsible for the deaths of Bruce Wayne's parents. Unnecessary. I hate when Hollywood decides it can do better in 5 minutes and "improve" and "modernize" classic story lines that have been around and WORKED for more than 50 years.

All this crap is making me look forward to "Constatine and Constanine's Excellent Adventure" and the sure to be a hit sequel to be released in 6 months later, "Constantine and Constantine's Most Better Excellent Adventure Too: Whoa." I heard they were filmed on blue screen back to back to save on production costs. Brilliant.

"Dark return to the Batman franchise"...fucking please....I'll be in the vomitorium.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:10 / 03.12.03
They're only rumours, dude. Cool your engines...
 
 
FinderWolf
12:49 / 03.12.03
It was reported yesterday on Cinescape.com that Eastwood turned down the part of the Mayor.

The rumor goes that Ra's al Ghul might have been the former business rival of Thomas Wayne. But I agree with you - why do we need more internal/incestuous tie-ins to tie with Batman characters even more in to each other than they already are? Let's say this rumor is true - (and you're right, they are all just rumors) - Bats doesn't have enough emotional and moral reasons to oppose Ra's when Ra's wants to kill all humans and re-make the world in his image? He needs to have the extra motivation that Ra's fucked with his Dad? Come on.

Hollywood does seem to be very stupid indeed. They were seriously considering Brendan Frasier for the role of Superman, for Christ's sake.

Other rumors from last month had Dennis Quaid in talks to play Commissioner Gordon (a younger Jim Gordon a la BATMAN: YEAR ONE). Those rumors have since disappeared. As I recall, Quaid said he was looking at it but said he was just considering it, nothing more, at the time.
 
 
01
16:29 / 03.12.03
Now we're talking. Quaid would be a great Captain Gordon. Gritty enough, but yet not over the top. Quiet and calculating when he needs to be, explosive when he needs to be. Brooding. Good choice.

But no....the fine folks at Warner are going to steer us down that old familiar road that goes through the woods and ends up at a big drive-in theatre located within a CAMP SITE. On the big screen after the big bat emblem is projected and the crowd roars in anticipation we see said iconic bat emblem get sliced into many pieces by a large flying red and white striped toque with razor sharp brim (ala Kung Lau's finishing move in Mortal Combat Deux) and the title of the movie appears:

The Intimidation Game:
Batman Vs The Cat In The Hat
 
 
01
16:37 / 03.12.03
The only way these shitty movies are going to be made into the utterly incredible 1st rate neuvaux film noir action crime dramas that they should be is when I am given artisic liscence to the whole damn franchise, and am able to write, direct and cast the damn thing myself. The first thing I'd do is walk down to down to the costume department and get my cape and cowl measurements taken.
 
 
adamswish
17:58 / 03.12.03
I always thought that Eastwood was only going to be considered if they filmed "Dark Knight Returns" as the older Batman. Didn't realise he's been "ear marked" for a role in this.
 
 
Bed Head
18:50 / 03.12.03
Eastwood was only going to be considered if they filmed "Dark Knight Returns"

He's twenty years too old, man, Eastwood is in his 70s! Dark Knight Batman is in his fifties, ie Clint is wrong for such a role by about twenty years. A fiftysomething man can still look vaguely able to beat someone up, but not a seventy year old, no way. Not even if he's Clint Eastwood in a Batman costume. Mickey Rourke's fifty, thats the sort of age they should get. Not that anyone's ever going to make a film of Dark Knight Returns, thank god.


I’m reading this thread with dismay. I say, great bolshy yarblockoes to serious Batman movies. Someone should make a reeeaallly camp Batman film, ‘Batman and the Beanstalk’, or something like that. Get a girl to play Batman, in traditional panto style, someone with legs that look great in tights. But nobody mentions that she’s a girl: for the purposes of the film she’s 100percent male. Then, make the character of Commissioner Gordon a girl, but have her played by a man in drag, and rename her Commissioner Twanky. David Caruso would be ideal for this part. Finally add Vincent Gallo as the Joker, and a band of little Batboys who follow Batman (who it now occurs to me could be played by Shannon Elizabeth) around, hissing and booing whenever the Joker attempts to sneak behind our virtuous hero and steal the magic beans from the Gotham City museum.

Oh, and it’ll need some tip top singalong songs. Mercury Rev could do these, using that ‘sound of childlike wonder rubbing against gritty reality of an expanding universe in swirling entropic waltz’ style that they’ve patented.

Christian Bale? Michael Caine? Bah!, humbug etc
 
 
Professor Silly
16:13 / 05.12.03
I remember reading and enjoying comics, both as a child and as a young adult. I also remember seeing good films based on comics as well as bad films based on comics.
Now we have more and more movies coming out based on comics, and like every other genre of film some suck and some kick ass. I personally see no reason to assume that every comic-book movie that comes out will merit going and spending money to see it.
I saw three of the four Batman films in the theater; I enjoyed the first, had mixed feelings about the second, and hated the third. I didn't bother to see the last one because I knew--deep in my soul--that I would be livid after wasting my money. I mean, Arnie on ice-skates?!? I'd rather get a root canal.
Then came X-Men, which I found entertaining despite the changes made to the story. Spider-man gave me a wonderful thrill, and X-Men 2 seemed great in every way. Since then I've seen Daredevil (borrowed on DVD, so free) and I hated it--I will never allow a copy in my apartment ever ever again. Since then I've seen Hulk (again, for free on DVD) and it seemed merely ok.
So do I feel surprised when I see outlandish rumors about upcoming films? No, and I assume that everyone of these films will probably be shitty until I see evidence that suggests otherwise. I absolutely will not pay to see the new Catwoman film based on the atrocious costume (for example). Meanwhile the new Punisher looks like it might work...but I will wait and see what kind of reaction it gets from others before I decide to spend money on it.
That said, this film looks like it might re-capture the spirit of the dark knight...but it's simply too early to tell. I've sort-of enjoyed both Nolan and Bale's work in the past...so who knows?

My point being (didn't think I had one...did ya?) is that these films are just that--films based on comics, not the comics themselves. Things will be changed...period. In some cases it might work, and in others it will devalue the whole idea. Let's not expect too much from these money-greedy movie companies.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
19:34 / 05.12.03
I think you should stay on topic, dAb. We're talking about BATMAN, not your review of every film ever based on a comic and what you think about comics as movies. This is a BATMAN film based on the TV show, which starred Adam West.

Bed Head: I think your idea sounds excellent! I especially like your casting... Vincent Gallo indeed! Seeing as all I can imagine him doing is cackling and being vaguely manic, I think he would make the perfect Joker. In tights!
 
 
adamswish
18:57 / 08.12.03
so anyone brave enough to ask dab if they are going to see Constantine then :P.

And Bed Head I realise Eastwood is way to old to play the Dark Knight returns. I was merely mentioning something from my head that I remember seeing.
 
 
Red Cross Iodized Salt
17:04 / 09.12.03
What was that Batman villian who looked kind of like the Joker, only in a bright green feather boa type thing? Vincent Gallo would be great as that guy.
 
 
scottk
02:36 / 10.12.03
the creeper?
 
 
Bed Head
09:37 / 10.12.03
Fuck! Vincent Gallo as the Creeper! This is the kind of film people should be making! Not Christian Bale as Batman. Vincent Gallo as the Creeper. Perhaps versus Vincent Gallo as the Joker.

I think a vaguely on-topic point can be made here that relates to the actual forthcoming Bat-film, and that is that comic films work best when they're a bit odd, like Batman Returns.

(In the voice of Criswell)"I predict Batman Intimidation Game will be as rubbish as other vastly profitable mainstream blockbusters of recent years, like Spiderman and Daredevil, and that the accompanying video game will be superior in every way”.

And I was just trying to be Christmassy before, sorry for rotting yer thread. I maintain that the potential for superhero/pantomime crossover is vast and as yet untapped, and an adventurous theatrical entrepreneur could sell a lot of tickets/comics/songs/film rights.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:43 / 10.12.03
OK, back to actual news/thoughts/feelings about the actual new BATMAN movie....

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from Cinescape.com

While it may be making front page news on today's issue of The Hollywood Reporter, it was first reported ten days ago on the Batman On Film website: actress Katie Holmes is the frontrunner to play the female lead in the new BATMAN movie. BOF's source first came forth with Holmes as the so-called "girlfriend" of Bruce Wayne in the film while Reporter is calling the part of Rachel (the character's name) a "love interest". Holmes' casting is contingent on a screen test with Christian Bale, undoubtedly to see if the duo can capture chemistry on film.

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So Katie Holmes for a regular girlfriend, not Talia. The 'nice
girl' to Talia's femme fatale bad girl. Eeeh, works for me I guess.
As long as she's not Talia.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:10 / 10.12.03
WOW, the plot thickens...

previously they were talking about Daniel Day-Lewis as Ra's al Ghul, but now...

VIGGO MORTENSEN!!!

But sadly, it seems like Michael Caine is really cast as Alfred
(sorry, Cam and others, I'm not happy with it either, but at least
it's not a huge role).

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Fuck yeah!

from www.superherohype.com

Michael Caine, who will play Alfred the butler in the upcoming new Batman film, told SCI FI Wire that director Christopher Nolan is eyeing Lord of the Rings star Viggo Mortensen to play the villain in the film, which is slated to begin production in April 2004. In an interview, Caine wouldn't specify which villain role Mortensen (Rings' Aragorn) is up for.

Caine said Nolan's Batman script creates a deeper role for Alfred than previous films. "We start when Batman is a baby, so I'm more like a father," Caine said in an interview. "I'm a father who knows how to lay a table with the knives and forks in the right places."

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01
02:31 / 11.12.03
Ohhh for fuck's saaaaaaaaaakes....Viggo??
Too understated. Not grandiose enough to play Ra's. Fuck this.

This picture is already coming off the rails, inevitably destined to end up as another horrific Hollywood trainwreck and it hasn't even started shooting yet. Better bring out the Bat Skates and the Mr. Freeze Solid Gold back up dancers because :

a. apparently (according to this thread) they are casting a girlfriend for the Batman. Gosh I hope she's really sweet and likeable, the perfect 'light" to the Batman's "brooding dark" and...

b. apparently she is because it's Katie Fucking Holmes. Maybe if we're really lucky the climax will have Bats facing off at the school dance against his arch nemesis Dawson for her affections.

...Enter The Vomitoriam
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:31 / 11.12.03
Nice Palintir, dude.
 
 
Hieronymus
13:41 / 11.12.03
Feh. All ye cynics can flagellate yourselves over the rumors all ye like. I'm still finding the little reports from this film 100x more heartening than anything Schumacher ever did. You want camp? Look to the last film, what killed the franchise and all. Nipples on the batsuit wasn't that long ago. Nolan would have to be a pretty big idiot to replicate that kind of idiocy.

The fact that the WB execs are happy with Nolan and have yet to run him off makes me a bit paranoid, yes (God what I would've loved for Aronofsky to have gone ahead with his crack at it). But so far this sounds like Nolan's is a solid enough grasp of the character.

This from CHUD's interview with Michael Caine:

"Batman is being made in England, but it's also being made quite differently. I had a long conversation with Christopher Nolan before I accepted the part. I only knew him from Memento and I didn't know him personally. Funny enough, he lived near me, so he came around to the house and we had lunch, cups of tea and stuff and he explained to me what he was going to do and what his outlook on Batman was and why he wanted me in it.

The short answer was, he wants it to be more natural. He regards - as I did anyway quite coincidentally - I find a lot of these comic book heroes boring because they are invincible. If you're bulletproof, where's the jeopardy for the hero? You can't gas him, you can't kill him, what's the point? And he is making a very, very natural Batman. I remember one phrase he said to me, I said, 'Well, he's very powerful and strong.' And he said, 'Yes, he is Michael, but not because of Kryptonite, it's because he does push-up's".


It's a start.
 
 
01
07:49 / 12.12.03
Start schmart, get people working on this shit who love it. Get fans. It's not like they're not out there.

Would they hire people for Lord Of The Rings who've never heard of it before? Comic movies will only work when Hollywood finally realizes that these stories have worked for so long for a reason so the bottom line is: they need to stop thinking their pretentious ass knows better and stop fucking with them.

Look at the best comic movies over the last little while. X-men and Spiderman. Now I know that both of these haven't followed continuity to the letter, but what has remained intact was the essence of both books. And both flicks were all the better for it. Both directors knew when to leave well enough alone with what works.

Now look at fucking Daredevil. A black Kingpin, a girl next door assasin and a mainstream one dimensional heartthrob A-list hollywood hero. Crap. Affleck is only good when Kevin Smith is directing him.

The Hulk. 50-50. Great Hulk smash scenes. Thunderbolt was right on the money but what the fuck was all this weird Nick Nolte shit? And why did they fuck with a fundamental part of the origin AND make it such and integral part of the script? The story is easy...Rick Jones and company party it up in the desert...gamma bomb is about to go off...Dr. Banner races out to save him...does so...gets caught in the explosion...Hulk Smash... there we go. Instead we get some Ang Lee bulltshit that thinks he knows better and can improve on 40 years of history not to mention Stan Lee himself.

This shit is mythology. Stop fucking with it.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
12:35 / 12.12.03
Get out more! You don't know - lemme say again - YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW YET!

And not EVERY comic-film discussion EVER has to analyse EVERY other comic film EVER made!

oh no! A black kingpin!

Also, just for fun: were Maguire and Dunst big Spidey fans then? la la la, etc.

It's ok, you just need to calm down. It's not a conspiracy. They're not out to fuck up the "mythology" of comics. It's just some of the films are "good" and some are "bad". And some are "middling".

ps. Affleck is never good.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
12:39 / 12.12.03
Also, a tip to remember. They are hiring actors in these films. Actors! This means that they are NOT just going to be the characters from the films/shows you've seen them in previously. That's because they are actors, and those characters weren't actually real. I know they are quite believable, but that's why they are paid to do this.

Yah? I mean, like... whatever.
 
 
Bed Head
12:54 / 12.12.03
Yeah! In order to get a really decent, method-style Daredevil performance out of Affleck they should have blinded him, and then exposed him to a huge dose of radiation. And then filmed him being thrown him off a building. Similarly, Christopher Nolan would be well advised to track down and brutally murder Christian Bale’s parents in a senseless act of violence, just so Bale can best, like, understand Batman’s pain. It’s the only way.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
13:06 / 12.12.03
Bed Head, I think I would be willing to carry out your suggestion on Affleck. I think it would make him a far more intriguing character, and improve his acting ability ten-fold. Also: it would be a lot of fun. I realise, of course, that I harbour a somewhat irrational hatred of the man. When I say irrational of course, it really is quite rational, but I understand not everyone feels the same way as me.

But honestly. The man's head is just too big for his body.
 
 
Bed Head
13:18 / 12.12.03
...and his body’s too big to squeeze into that daredevil suit/nimbly bounce around doing wire-fu...
Agreed. We’re rotting this thread. Stay on topic and explain how you’d propose to traumatize Christian Bale
 
 
gridley
13:41 / 12.12.03
a. apparently (according to this thread) they are casting a girlfriend for the Batman. Gosh I hope she's really sweet and likeable, the perfect 'light" to the Batman's "brooding dark" and...

Maybe... or maybe her character will be set up to contrast Talia, who on paper anyway might be Batman's perfect woman. I'm wondering if they won't use deciding between the two woman to help the young Batman figure if he's really what he thinks he is...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:56 / 12.12.03
Personally, I think Viggo as Ras would be inspired casting. I'm sure he'd do the "Detective... you are a worthy opponent!", thinks-he-has-honour-but-is-a-real-bastard thing very well. Plus he can pass for an immortal, and chemistry between him and Bale could be really sparky.
 
  

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