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New X-Men #149

 
  

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I'm Rick Jones, bitch
05:06 / 26.10.03
So I was just reading an in-depth bi of Magik on another side (NEEEEEEEEEERD) and I can totally see which bit of Claremont Grant's going to "retrofit" to end this- female character (Jean) sacrifices herself to restore New York. Sigh.
 
 
petar_g
22:26 / 10.11.03
New X-Men #149 ain't coming out on the 19th as planned, according to Diamond's latest shipping list (which could change yet). Assuming it comes out the following week, it'll have been 6 weeks since the previous issue came out (approx 15th October).

Quite surprising/disappointing given that Jiminez had a few months lead time. This will probably also delay the extra-sized #150. Damn. I need my New X-Fix.

Petar
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:51 / 10.11.03
Ah, you/we shouldn't complain. We had three issues in a row come out in fairly rapid succession.

I don't mind. I'd like to have new Grant issues for a little while longer, in terms of time - I don't want the issues to come out so quickly because that means it'll all be over sooner.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
23:59 / 10.11.03
man fuck that

I need to find out what happens next
 
 
sleazenation
06:11 / 11.11.03
With new x men and xstatix i definitely noticed that the longer delay and shorter delay between issues really does effect my enjoyment.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:27 / 18.11.03
Okay, so now I'm getting restless. When is this coming out? Next week, I hope.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
21:06 / 18.11.03
All I know is that it's definitely not listed w/this week's releases.
 
 
petar_g
23:00 / 18.11.03

It WILL be available next week, the 26th, I believe.

Petar
 
 
Krug
01:58 / 19.11.03
The past few issues I couldn't even tell if I was reading a serial comic and didn't mind the wait.
It's going to be like this till the bitter end.
Annoying especially because I have very little to hope for. I just want it to be over and read the DC stuff.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
08:31 / 19.11.03
Preview should be released today or tomorrow, right?
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
20:52 / 19.11.03
Previews are up at Popcultureshock.com.

The insurrection starts here!
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
21:01 / 19.11.03
Who passed gas? Wouldn't that be Dummy...?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:31 / 19.11.03
"Magneto is nothing but a jerk!" = ROX
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
00:20 / 20.11.03
Dummay! Bring it TO that byitch!
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
06:42 / 20.11.03
Holy shit Morrison, all is forgiven. I'm pegging it to the comics shop in hope of preview copy goodness.


Holy shit. Those four pages are fucking brillant. Holy fucking shit.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
06:43 / 20.11.03
And if that is dummy, I'll be so fucking hyped. This is great.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
07:24 / 20.11.03
Page the fifth.

SOMETHING REALLY BIG + BAD HAPPENS. DON'T CLICK IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
08:02 / 20.11.03
Woah..... what IS Morrison aiming for with this portrayal of Magneto?
The total dissolution of his enigma?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:02 / 20.11.03
I think Morrison is just trying to show what Magneto would really be like, as opposed to the tired (and terribly misguided) "no, but he's really a nice misunderstood guy" Claremont schtick.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
11:28 / 20.11.03
%But he didn't mean to kill him....%

I am excited about this comic. The art looks very pretty too. Is it me or does their seem to more detail than before? Especially when compared to Jiminez' first ish.
 
 
Spaniel
12:28 / 20.11.03
Really haven't made up my mind about this.

Whilst I understand what Morrison is trying to do, I can't help but feel the whole Magneto-as-a-real-guy shtick robs the character of a bucket-load of gravitas. Far from being a scary but deeply flawed antagonist, he seems to be becoming little more than a joke.

Now, that may be Morrison's intention, but asa by-product the arc (at least the stuff pertaining to Maggie) seems, imo, to be lacking any tension and pathos.

Okay, so he's taken over the world(?), he's ruthless - reckless - to the point where he kills and brutalises his allies and yes he has done away with those pesky X Men.

But.

He's also silly and stupid and a junky and totally disorganised and lacking in vision and friendless and forever spouting ridiculous dialogue. And I find it very difficult to care.

Methinks perhaps Grant could've gone the same route, produced real-live foolish Magneto, without simply reducing him to berk status.

Whatever, it aint over yet, and you lot seem to be having fun.
 
 
LDones
14:05 / 20.11.03
I don't think it's so much Morrison's 'take' on Magneto to have him confused, petty, and woefully insecure. I think it's more his idea of how Magneto would be at the end of it all - What would this over-the-top, super-powerful, charismatic, bitter and bi-polar man end up like by the time his Last Battle rolled around?

I don't think it's that Magneto's always been such a douche, he's just been headed in that direction with his vainglorious life and exploits. It's the logical end for him, a mighty-have-fallen kind of guy. Defined by his enemies, his struggle, "seins kampfen!", and useless without them. Old and out of touch and too far gone to be relevant, no matter how much damage he can do.

I find him sad in a really profound way for a comic book super-villain. I feel sorry for him - He's really gonna get it bad. I pity him without having any sympathy for him.

I like it. There's not a lot of other comics that have shown the arch-nemesis as really genuinely pitiful.

This post reads pretty pompously on review. Stupid somber insomnia...
 
 
houdini
14:35 / 20.11.03

Flux, not sure I can agree with you about the Magneto-as-goody-guy-really schtick being "terribly misguided".

Tired? Yes, I'll give you that. The idea definitely got run into the ground, and really ever since Mags decided that the X-Men should make their peace with the Hellfire Club the X-editorial staff were all set on dragging him back to being just another bad guy with a bucket on his head. Then of course with X-Men #2 they retconned "good" Magneto as just a physiological brainwashing that Moira MacTaggart had created and blah blah blah. After that, any attempts definitely were tired.

But was the idea misguided originally? I have to say that for me the revision of Magneto, starting in 'Days of Futures Past' and continuing in the X-Men Graphic Novel and Uncanny #150, was really one of the most interesting things that Claremont did. It didn't really work if you stood it next to the bucket-on-his-head Kirby megalomaniac. But as with a lot of other decent comics runs, I felt that Claremont had the rights to go ahead and forget some of the inconvenient bits of history so as to better suit his vision.

For me, Magneto as a (somewhat) sympathetic proponent of more militant mutant rights effort was a much more challenging and interesting character. If he's just The Baddie then it's easy to dismiss everything he says. But making him at least a bit good allowed there to be some meaningful (and, being Claremont, overly wordy) dialogue between Mags's position and Charley's.

I thought the progression from #150 to #200 (just over 4 years) from Magneto's first sympathetic moments to ending up with Xavier putting him in charge of the school were really great. He's got one of the best character arcs in that period of X-history. And, yeah, it would only be two years or so before that all got fucked up again, but for that period Mags was the man and his interactions with both the X-Men and the New Mutants made a refreshing change of pace for the books.

Just my 2c worth.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:56 / 20.11.03
I think Ldones is 100% on the money.

I don't know, Houdini. I know that Magneto's character has been through some awkward changes over the years thanks to editorial concerns and differing authorial voices, but either which way, the impulse to make the mutant Hitler a "good guy, really" is a little creepy and suspicious to me. There is nothing noble or good about Magneto's intentions - he wants mutant superiority, he wants to murder/enslave humanity. That's sick. He's not a "good guy, really." He's a megalomaniacal genocidal fuckhead, and a truly pitiful creep, and Morrison has nailed that.
 
 
adamswish
15:03 / 20.11.03
well that will teach us all there is a right time and a wrong time to crack a fart gag
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
15:09 / 20.11.03
He's a megalomaniacal genocidal fuckhead

Flux, he is whatever the current writer wants him to be. He is an inconsistent fictional construct of a medium with poor continuity. There is no real objective him. He does not exist. So arguing about what he "is" or "isn't" isn't really valid or a good use of your time.
 
 
Spaniel
15:22 / 20.11.03
I don't think it's so much Morrison's 'take' on Magneto to have him confused, petty, and woefully insecure. I think it's more his idea of how Magneto would be at the end of it all - What would this over-the-top, super-powerful, charismatic, bitter and bi-polar man end up like by the time his Last Battle rolled around?

Sorry, I wasn’t clear enough. I understand this, but it doesn’t answer my charge. Imo, the story lacks drama – not because nothing dramatic is taking place, but because when the shit goes down the central baddie is revealed to be little more than a prat with a silly helmet.
The thing is, Magneto could be presented a bi-polar, megalomaniacal fool with little or no plan and a scary guy simultaneously. Morrison seems to have gone for this, but to my mind, ultimately fails. There’s too much comedy for my liking, too much evidence that Mags is just a laughable silly billy.

Somehow, incredibly, after all the cataclysmic events, the arc hasn’t managed to feel… I dunno… threatening. I humbly suggest that Morrison’s flailing, end-of-days Magneto is the problem.

That is, if you feel there is a problem in the first place.
 
 
houdini
15:48 / 20.11.03

Fair enough, Flux. If he's "the mutant Hitler" then, yeah, there should be no excusing him.

For my part, I really came on board with X-Men after Claremont's "re-imagining" of the character. At that point, it wasn't clear that Mags was the mutant Hitler. I'd give you mutant Fidel Castro, probably, or mutant Winston Churchill, but Hitler...? Not by my reading.

But, yeah, I'm talking about the reality within a very specific 75-issue slice of X-history. For me this was the "golden age" of X-Men, but that's probably just 'cause that's what I was reading between ages 8 and 14.

The current run seems to much more reference the mutant Hitler trope, or at least the megalomaniacal Magneto. I would've said it was still too early to tell whether Morrison was aiming to make Mags pathetic (in the true sense) or truly unlikeable, but I guess after reading page #5 I've got to come down on the side of truly unlikeable.

To be honest, I still can't work out where this run is going - or, more accurately, I think I can see where it's going but I'm not sure what Morrison wants us to get out of it. I feel like I'll have more of interest to say after #150.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:25 / 20.11.03
Mags is SUPRRISED he .... did what he did on that spoiler-ridden, mysterious fifth page? How can you do that and not mean it, when you have that much power and you're used to having that much power for 20 years?

Anyway, this just seems excessively simplistic to me, all dissections of Mags' character and history aside. Five pages of Mags being super-evil, super-ruthless, and one character being like "Man, you're evil, I don't approve of this." Like we all didn't see that coming? The dialogue in these pages seems kinda weak to me - is Morrison off his game here or is it just me?
 
 
adamswish
16:26 / 20.11.03
could it be that magneto is appearing in this manner because of who he is surrounded by.

The special class have never been ones for following authority figures have they and other then Esme's devotion to him and his plans (which comes across as love struck, power greedy groupie) Magneto is pretty much alone up there.
 
 
Mike-O
16:29 / 20.11.03
I think Magneto is far more comparable to someone like Napolean rather than Hitler...

Magnus has redeeming qualities to his character, and look, like it or not Claremont's interpretation is a huge part of who the character is. So, yes, he's quite insane, but he still reasons from some sense of trying to do the right thing. I think that's the appeal of Magneto as a character; agree with him or not, he is conflicted on a basis that would leave any individual torn on what road to take... he has so much power at his disposal and so much hatred in his past (as a victim of the tragedies of WWII and of genetic race war), so to think that he's evolved into a complete psycho after watching the populace of his nation be vaporized... it's not far fetched. By the same token, for him to take his survival as evidence for himself that he is some kind of mutant messiah is in character, too, and by no means negates his prior actions of allegiance with Xavier. He's had to face this question of how to liberate his people and serve his idea of justice for essentially his entire life... if anything, he's more realistic than Xavier b/c one, he's questioned himself over and over in the face of making little or no progress (the little with his failed attempts at genocide, the no with his attempts to use peaceful means along the lines of Xavier). Two, it is likely that, with all Magneto has been through, he would gradually lose more and more of his sanity and find it easier to justify killing all humans.
 
 
Quireboy
17:41 / 20.11.03
I don't think Magneto really knows his own - kick-enhanced - strength. Not that that's any excuse.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
17:57 / 20.11.03
I'd like to think Morrison is ridding Magneto of his honorable villain title, something that all villains seem to have nowadays. After all that Mag's has been through I think I'd be a mite pissed off at the human world and quite possibly not firing on all cylinders.

If I was a Morrison apologist then I'd say he was stripping Magneto down to his basic fundamental level of being the X-mens antithesis. He is bad mutant whilst they are good. His basic philosophy is tragically ironic but thats always been the point to Magneto.

If I was a Morrison hater I'd think Grant just lost it. Big time. The dialogue for all the Magneto scenes has been so off that it makes me suspicious but of what I still don't know.
I pray he's going somewhere with this because it could be a train wreck of Austen proportions if he can't pull this one off.
 
 
The Falcon
18:11 / 20.11.03
All's I know is Magneto made a rubbish Nelson Mandela metonym, when he was given Genosha, and he makes a better fundamentalist. The amplitude and dissonance have always been turned up on this run, since the genocidal assault on the aforementioned; it's hardly a surprise to see X-Treme (ho ho!) Mags.

minor SPOILER-ati

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That line about humans 'not feeling the pain of existence, like we do', or something; almost verbatim reconstitution of one of the U-Men, when they attacked the mansion, back in #119-120.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
20:28 / 20.11.03
So the hideous rumour from a while back may be true... John Sublime could very well turn up and ruin a great run.
 
  

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