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New X-Men #149

 
  

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Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:55 / 27.11.03
rawkusboi Oh and how does Barnell know who Fantomex is? Or the Police officer? He never met them!

I'm going to No-Prize Fantomex by saying that Beak met him when he came to the mansion to meet Wolverine, prior to that 'Assault...' crap. And he DOESN'T know the policeman, he has to introduce himself.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:13 / 27.11.03
Maybe Beak's just heard of Fantomex.
 
 
Mike-O
20:25 / 27.11.03
Angel is getting progressively hotter... yes? And finally a third "Cuckoo" name: Phoebe... go figure!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:29 / 27.11.03

This arc is obviously being written as a complete story and is suffering from the book format.


Really? I mean, yeah, it's definitely a big story, but it seems written so that each issue can be its own thing, like every other issue of this comic since the beginning of the second year. I was thinking about how weird this particular storyline will seem in a collected edition because each chapter jumps so far ahead of the next one, and the story doesn't seem very continuous at all. The jump from chapter 3 to 4 is slightly more graceful, but the continuity from 1 to 2 to 3 seems very haphazard to me.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:33 / 27.11.03
Phoebe
Esme
Sophie

I was trying to figure out what the last two might be. Any guesses? They obviously have the long e sound at the end, and should sound sort of 'tony' and English.
 
 
Aertho
20:52 / 27.11.03
Didn't someone suggest once that the Cuckoos names are based on Greek aspects of the mind or persona? Like Sophia = wisdom, Esme was short for something, Phoebe is the moon titan, so Greek for unconscious?

Someone remember that post? Or the aspects I'm talking about? I'll google a bit and see what happens.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
21:36 / 27.11.03
There's some great stuff here but the story is veering all over the place like Princess Diana is a paris underpass. Scott is crashed in the ocean! now he's in new york! Eva is dead! she's alive! there's an e-m forceshield we've never heard of! This is either edited to fuck or Grant's screwed the pooch at the end again re: pacing. There are plot holes in this big enough to drop a marine corps through!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:12 / 27.11.03
I think it's just screwy pacing. I doubt anyone interfered with Grant's story, though maybe they should have. I think Grant is so focused on keeping discussion of previous issues to such a minimum that it starts making things confusing, and too much is happening off-panel. So much is happening in Planet X that it feels like we're getting a concentrated dosage of the story - it maybe should have been an 8 or 9 part storyline, ideally.
 
 
Elbereth
02:10 / 28.11.03
esme-esteemed or beloved (possibly emotion)
sophie-wise or prudent (possibly reason)
phoebe-mysterious moon goddess (obviously subconcious mind)
it would be easier to predict the others if I knew how he was dividing the mind up(all such divisions are partly arbitrary) but I would assume that mneme(memory) could be one but it would have to be spelled mimi and even that would be obvious. imagination could be the fifth one, fancy is a name my search revealed that means creative(although I wouldn't name my kid that.) also calliope but that would just be too common.and it would have to be altered to something like callie. other names that could fit: abbey-my fathers joy, aimee- beloved, allie noble and kind, barbie- strange and alien. just kicking stuff around
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:25 / 28.11.03
He IS a cartoon version of Magneto because it seems he's fragmented his psyche into two distinct parts: Magneto and Xorn.

My thoughts exactly. Xorn was a fairly well-defined character but still something of a cartoon archetype. Put the two together and you'd have some decent characterisation. Nice trick!

I've been loving it- not as much as "E for Extinction" or "Riot at Xavier's", but #148 (especially that ending) and #149 have been a couple of my favourites recently.

I'm looking forward to next month when I can go back and do the whole run in continuous form.
 
 
doctorbeck
09:44 / 28.11.03
ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
i had reading this yesterday, i dunno, stuff happens and GM just assumes you'll be able to fill in the gaps yourself i guess, probably counting on the infinate patience of the fan boy massive to excuse and even celebrate his lack of attention to detail and pacing

the thing is from E and imperial i know that NXM can be good, but weapon x, planet x and that first fantomex arc have been dreary and ham fisted. if it wasn't for my autistic spectrum tendencies i'd stop buying now, but you know, i may as well finish his run right?

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Ganesh
10:46 / 28.11.03
Phoebe
Esme
Niobe?
Ierne?
Sophie

Childish but possible.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:50 / 28.11.03
Chloe, obviously.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:24 / 28.11.03
Yeah, I think this has to be the best issue of NXM since the last couple of Quitely ones. I'd be the first person to agree that in his NXM run, Morrison has been guilty of weird pacing and of expecting people to fill in gaps (this is fine by me if we're supposed to read between the lines of what actually happens in the issues, what's jarring is when the 'story so far' box tells us about stuff we had no clear way to figure out). But Morrison often wobbles and screws the pace up and makes you think "uh-oh, this isn't worth it", only to deliver pay-off moments that are just awesome (think: the big 'The Sting' moment at the end of Invisibles V.2). When you get stuff as good as the best bits of this issue, it makes me forgive even questions like "huh, isn't E.V.A. kinda dead?" (my guess: Fantomex can vomit out new E.V.A.s if one gets destroyed, maybe).

This issue is all about the pay-off starting to arrive. And it's all about two peeps: Beakie and Xorn.

To me, Beak in this issue is - and this is gonna sound like cliched super-shit - the epitome of the X-Men spirit. Everybody's been talking about how Beak is going to grow into a beautiful eagle and then we'll see his quality, but I don't think it's about that - I think the whole point is that this skinny mess of feathers and bone has never been more magnificent than getting up again that alley, shoeless and bloody and bruised. He's had his mind fucked with repeatedly, he's made some big mistakes, he's been dropped out of the sky and had the shit kicked out of him, he's lying there in the rain and the shit, he's just some weird seriously depressed little fucker up against impossible odds... and he gets up again, looking to go fight the bad guy. Love the way the ttile of this issue can refer to him too: Beak IS that last hope, the freaking Phoenix in the darkness... I get all tingly and 'Make Mine Marvel' when I think about that: it's like Peter Parker lifting that rubble so he can get Aunt May's medicine (you know, famous ish). I want to punch the air.

I also love the way Beak's slightly flaky, hippie idealism is celebrated while being affectionately mocked. He thinks a carrot feels pain! Sure, why not? It's so totally in character - Beakie feels so convincingly young to me in that scene - his views are still quite unformed and messy - but I think Morrison really drives home here how that kind of compassion is better than, y'know, slaughtering countless innocents. Which might seem really obvious but when you think about how anti-war protestors are always being called emotional, sentimental, etc...

(Oh, and I can so completely see how this ish could have been written with Beak actually flying when he gets out of that car - big Disney moment - "I did it!" - how yuck would that have been?)

As for Xorn: oh, it's just so RIGHT. That page with the panels of the skull/helmet rolling around on the floor and coming to rest so that it stares at Magneto - probably my favourite page of NXM so far. Xorn is the flipside of the kind of tulpa described in the last issue of Morrison's FF1234: instead of putting all the 'bad' bits of yourself into an independent body, and having it come back to haunt you (see also: RZA/Bobby Digital), Magneto has externalised all his 'good' bits and created this separate entity that can't be discarded. 'Memo To Turner': "be careful who you say you are". Classic Morrison.

I wonder if Phoenix will incinerate Erik's head.
 
 
Mike-O
14:31 / 28.11.03
I wonder how long Erik will be Erik anymore...
 
 
Eskay Uno
18:48 / 28.11.03
This one rocked. Beak, Xorn, E.V.A., and the matter-of-fact return of Cyclops and Fantomex - all cheer-worthy.

I like Grant's pacing. He takes the opposite approach of Bendis and the nu-Marvel writers by refusing to stretch 2 panels of story out into 12 issues. And he's always been into the idea of interactive comics, right? His approach demands more from the readers in terms of filling stuff in between panels (and obviously he's gone too far with that, according to most), but I personally don't mind. His approach to pacing isn't sloppy - it sparks the imagination, debate and discussion more than the other approach, it gets readers more involved and it works great when his stories are read in collected format.

What I really don't get is all you naysayers storming out of the woodwork and trashing the story before it's even over! There's one more issue to go dudes! And then there's his final arc which ties everything together! He surprised us all with the Xorneto reveal, why so convinced he won't surprise us again? Patience! Faith! That's what we need.
 
 
ciarconn
22:02 / 28.11.03
Uh, Isn't Esme short for Esmeralda?
 
 
Mike-O
22:03 / 28.11.03
Nicely put Stone. I concur.
 
 
A
07:31 / 29.11.03
I'm pretty sure that Esme can be a name in and of itself.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:06 / 29.11.03
>> "Aaah, here's your problem, you had your Morrison set to 'crap writing'!"

*LOL!*

Eeeh, this was OK. Not amazing, not as bad as some of the WEAPON PLUS storyline. I feel like #150 will tie it all together and redeem this somewhat lackluster story arc, though...

Angel: "You're just like my daddy!" Cheap psychobabble from Morrison - I expect more from Grant than crap like this.

Oh, and who knew it took a few prank phone calls to distract EVERY SINGLE superhero in NYC?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
16:30 / 29.11.03
I've gotta agree with everything Flyboy said about this issue. Spot on. Like reading Spider-Man when I was little... tremendously exciting. In fact I love the way you described the feelings reading those pages, and simultaneously justified my love for Spidey. (Sorry, been reading lots of indie-centric comic stuff, and seems to be my attention kept getting drawn to people laughing about Spidey. I don't get it, the originals are top drawer pop comic action. But my spidey-love was instilled in to me as a child. Those things never leave ya.)

Scott is my favourite superhero. I think this story is getting really exciting, and I love the way it's piecing together. Grant's pacing, to me, seems to point to him never wanting us to be really sure what's going on. It does seem a little odd... but I've certainly been anticipating each issue. Just seems like classic x-men fun, to me.

Looking foward to glimsping the future.
 
 
The Falcon
02:57 / 30.11.03
Scott Summers is the fucking best, inne?
 
 
A
03:09 / 30.11.03
The way i figured it, E.V.A. was getting tortured and stabbed and stuff, but was still alive, and then Wolverine blew up the space station, and she/it got out okay. I could be wrong, though.
 
 
Tom Coates
10:46 / 30.11.03
Daphne's a nice greek name that would fit quite well. Means Laurel and could signify organic elements, growth, the physical or more abstractedly feminitity / fertility or something similar.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:38 / 30.11.03
Yeah, Daphne is a good one. I'd bet that the remaining two are Daphne and Chloe.

Now that I think of it, I think Scott is my favorite superhero now. I think that his rehabilitation of Scott and the reinvention of Emma have been the two best things about Grant's run on the comic, and will likely be what will last in the longterm, god willing.

Angel: "You're just like my daddy!" Cheap psychobabble from Morrison - I expect more from Grant than crap like this.

For real? Angel's remarks seem totally natural and unforced - of course she'd say that, and she's right. Magneto's a bully just like her creep stepdad. I don't think it's 'psychobabble' at all. You've got to remember, Angel is about 15-16 years old - it was a visceral and honest reaction to what she was seeing.
 
 
penitentvandal
19:32 / 30.11.03
My name is Xorn! I am here to heal you!

Including Magneto, it seems.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
20:03 / 30.11.03
Well, not to spoilt too much, but EVA has some nifty powers revealed in #150 that seem to denote she could take a knocking, keep on rocking...
 
 
Ganesh
20:45 / 30.11.03
Daphne and Celeste?
 
 
FinderWolf
14:01 / 01.12.03
You've read 150, Radiator?? How?!??? Maybe start a spoiler thread??!!
 
 
Aertho
14:19 / 01.12.03
I think he means issue 151. Does anybody know what exactly the E.V.A. stands for? She does seem to be a cool lil character. I wouldn't mind her sticking around. Maybe Fantomex will die in 150 and she'll be rehabbed.

And I don't think she's Weapon 11... it would make sense for her to be 14, seeintg as how she and Fantomex(13) are a "team".
 
 
Quimper
14:29 / 01.12.03
...And seeing how she refers to herself as a Generation N unit from The World.
 
 
The Falcon
14:41 / 01.12.03
Daphne and Celeste?

Oh God, yes.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
15:41 / 01.12.03
yeah, my bad,, #151. She might show em off in #150. who knows?
 
 
Aertho
15:43 / 01.12.03
So, Wolverine can introduce himself now as a Generation J Sentinel from the World?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:48 / 01.12.03
Was it ever established that Logan was created in The World? I'm pretty sure they left all of that intentionally vague.
 
  

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