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New X-Men #149

 
  

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The Falcon
20:57 / 20.11.03
Cheez! Calm down, rawkus. Surely it'd depend on the execution, as always.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
21:33 / 20.11.03
I'm sure the execution is important but the outline rather dismal to begin with. And I'm still uneasy about where this rather odd Magneto portrayal is actually headed.

I'll hold my judgement until I see the issue (and even #150) but I've not liked Planet X so far. And I didn't like Weapon.... before it. I really would like to start enjoying New X-men again before it finishes.
 
 
Krug
01:53 / 21.11.03
Rawkusboi: I really feel the same way. The way the comic's been going, it looks pretty grim. I'm not really bearing in mind that this is Grant "Best Man Fall" Morrison because I'd like to be surprised rather than disappointed which I already have been more than once.
 
 
Krug
02:00 / 21.11.03
Boy.

These pages suck.

Not judging it yet but...

A lovely cover like this deserves a better story if not equally lovely interiors.
 
 
Krug
02:08 / 21.11.03
One more thing:

I'm sure someone must have pointed this out before but does anyone else get the feeling reading Morrison that isn't the run a lot about "Show" rather than "tell"?

Take these pages for instance...

"Magneto wrote an excellent article on how humans don't even feel teh same way" (or something)

So many times I feel that it's just talk of cool stuff rather cool stuff actually happening on page. That's how I feel about the run. Reading the solicitations and reading the interviews there was just a lot empty promise that I bought into.
 
 
Mike-O
05:32 / 21.11.03
I'd agree with that for the most part... not fully, but maybe a good half of the ideas in the book are mentioned off-hand, as opposed to actually happening... it can be a little wierd, and anti-climactic.
 
 
"See me for what I am, OK?"
22:31 / 21.11.03
I think Grant's attitude to Magneto was summed up nicely in one line from Xavier in 'Riot':

"...he was kind to small animals and could dance the tango to championship standard, but he was also a psychopathic murderer and a poor role model in most other respects."

(I'm sure I've misquoted that a little. I don't have it in front of me).

This obviously brings us to a Magneto/Quentin Quire comparison as well. Obviously there's the "I see something in you that is the same as me" line or whatever it was, and Magneto in "Planet X" is just QQ in "Riot" on a larger scale.

Quentin got himself some followers, killed a bunch of people and started a riot with no clear objective, no agenda beyond "disrupt the open day", and eventually proved to be a ridiculous fool who was just confused and acting out. Oh, and he was doing a bunch of drugs.

Mags is older, but not much wiser. He's had over a year to plan this stuff, but it seems that his whole plan was to infiltrate the institute, get some followers, kill a bunch of people (the X-folks), and destroy New York. Oh and he's doing a bunch of drugs. He had no REAL agenda after the destruction of New York, as #147 shows nicely. He has some half-baked ideas of a mutant utopia (just like Genosha's national anthem from #116), but apart from that...it's all words. Just like Quentin. Or Charles, pre-Cassandra.

Oh...isn't that interesting...it used to be "Magneto, Man of Action" and "Charles Xavier, talker". But Cassandra outing Charlie caused him to move towards a more action-oriented plan of...well...action, with the mutant manifesto (mentioned in NYX so now, presumably, a continuing part of the MU), the plans for the school that excited Jean and the goodwill tour...it may have been a lecture tour, but he was going out and DOING it.

Erik, on the other hand has played with the metal in New York and is now talking. A lot. And it has to be noted that he isn't even killing the filthy humans himself. He was trying to get a 15/16 year old boy to do it. Maybe 18 months as Xorn has changed him, whether he admits it or not...

As for what happens on the shadowy and mysterious page 5...that's what happens when ya do drugs kids. Kick makes you feel "angelic and violently insane for five hours"...and repeated use damages the X-gene. Is Mags losing control of his powers?

Sorry this rambles so much. I was pretty much typing it as I thought it.

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Jack Denfeld
07:29 / 22.11.03
Page 5
Aw, man. Magneto's a dick.
 
 
Quimper
12:33 / 24.11.03
I'm now certainly convinced that Fantomex is gay after re-reading Assault on Weapon Plus. We are fools for not etching this into stone earlier. After he says something to Scott about "it'll take more than chiseled features and a perfect physique." C'MON!

And I guess I'll just bring this up here...I was re-reading some NXM arcs this weekend, and I saw the most obvious Magneto clue in issue #134. It was a conversation that I KNEW had to mean something else, and it was so obvious.

When Beast and Cyke are in the helicopter going back to the mansion from the Jumbo Carnation crime scene, they are talking about watercolor paintings that Charles used to make for the original 5 so they could memorize the colors that each bad guy wore—the whole panel where they mention bad guy colors is done in Magneto's magenta and purple. The helicopter windshield is even in the shape of his helmet.
 
 
Quireboy
14:00 / 24.11.03
I don't think that's the most obvious clue.

Anyway, this issue's called 'Phoenix in Darkness' (geddit). Spoilers are now available elsewhere, albeit in a garbelled and unintelligent format. I'll point anyone in the right direction - and doubt very much it will spoil your enjoyment of the comic because its so poorly written.

I'm going to make a real effort to not spoil myself for 150 though.
 
 
Mike-O
14:29 / 24.11.03
It's that bad, eh?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:29 / 24.11.03
graemelyon = 100% otm
 
 
Quireboy
14:32 / 24.11.03
Whoops - I meant the spoilers are poorly written.

For those who've just PM'd me - give me 30-60 mins I'm at work!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:44 / 24.11.03
Wow. That is unbelievably incomprehensible. Enjoy.
 
 
Krug
10:45 / 25.11.03
/System Message
Unregistered Users Restricted from Viewing/

Cut and paste?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:45 / 25.11.03
"These must be words from the future..." YES YES YES
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
12:18 / 25.11.03
Yeep!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:05 / 25.11.03
From The Fevered Brain of Rampage455 (For Those Who Could Not Hit It):

THAT IS SO NOT TRUE
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after what coolguyx said magneto turns around and kills balisks, he says he didnt mean to. beak gets shoved into a car then magneto lifts the car into the air with other cars. beak manages to get out of the car and he tries to fly he does it for awhile then he falls and hits a build ledge. mutants run to him stealing his clothes and shoes. beak tells them to go to the mansion but then one of them kicks him in the face and says magneto rules. he starts to walk when he sees E.V.A ,( this part i forget ) i think it takes him to the stepford cuckoos and many of the surviving students. beak apologizes and says he didn't know what magneto was doing and that they cant stop him because magneto is 15x the magneto they know. in comes cyclops and fantomex. they ask him what happened to the x-men. beak tells them that emma and beast crashed and wolverine and jean grey were sent to the sun. fantomex and cyclops get the stepford cuckoos,beak and dust and form a new x-men to stop magneto, cyclops doesnt believe that the x-men are dead.
magneto takes a puff of kick and tells esme that he didn't mean to kill basilisk .esme says that he has changed and that he is not the man she loves and that he should turn the world upside-down. magneto gets very mad and says that that she doesnt even now what love is. she runs off saying that it wasnt sapossed to be like this. then there is a word bubble says that this will be your down-fall and tha this is his conscience and i will never go away. magneto thinks that it is his xorn mask and he rips it apart. mags goes over to charles thinking that is him but he looks at a screen and says that it cant be because his mind is still jammed. Ernst with martha shows up and says " martha says it will oversoon, ( i think ), and there is nothing he can do to stop it". next panel, you see jeean sitting down next to wolverine, you looks dead, and in front of her is a bald man, presumably the professor. next you see professor saying, "are these must be words from the future", the words that magneto is hearing.

i think i got it all, but i'm sure i missed a couple of important things.


My favorite part?

"THAT IS SO NOT TRUE."

I'm sure adding "OMFG" just slipped his mind.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
22:28 / 25.11.03
OMFG

Tomorrow chaps. And the Wizard #151 preview too.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
15:53 / 26.11.03
OK, first impressions of 149 (and first Barbelith post, though I've been stalking the boards forevah-evah, possibly since 2000, so if you feel a need to haze me or something, go right ahead):

The concentration camps: I'm queasy with them. They just seem a little bit fanfic to me, like the kind of thing a twelve-year-old writing Magneto on his favorite messageboard would go for: If he's supposed to be a Nazi analogue, why not have all the trappings? I agree to some extent with previous posts about how some of the gravitas has been taken out of Magneto; we could argue all day about whether or not that's a good thing, and Morrison's ideas here are intriguing, but it's been bred in me to the bone to connect a certain level of self-composure with Magneto that, frankly, I do miss. I do think he leans more towards genocidal maniac than wronged nobleman on the whole, but raving psychopath is going too far -- the chilling thing about his character is the core idea that you don't have to be crazy to want everyone around you dead.

"Are these words from the future?" Phoenix as Harlequinade? HOT. I want Xavier in a leather jacket and Mod t-shirt by page 13 of next issue AT THE LATEST.

The principal flaw with this arc, I think, has been the pacing and scene structure. One of Morrison's biggest stylistic quirks as a writer is his tendency to think that merely presenting an idea does all of that idea's work -- for example, the previously mentioned "He even wrote an article" quote -- to Morrison, just saying that sums it up, but to someone expecting traditional structures of rhetorical build and payoff, that's pretty poor. In this issue,

MINOR-LEVEL SPOILERS WHICH HAVEN'T BEEN DISCUSSED IN DETAIL BY THAT CRAZY NONGRAMMATICAL POST FROM EARLIER
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the basement scene contains an atmosphere and a few characters/conversations (the NYPD mutant liason, for example) that could've been sustained for a few issues. This hiding-out, guerilla-style, "us against a world gone mad" tone could've been played with beautifully for a lot longer; but Morrison is clearly satisfied with this being its only appearance. The basic rule of reading Morrison, I suppose, is that you've got to be willing to imagine things the way he would; when he throws you a little bone, if you want to get all the story's resonances and thematic echoes then you've got to build the kind of skeleton he'd build out of it. If you're used to seeing beautifully constructed skeletons with carefully wrought bone structure, the kind of writing the X-Men books "should" have (i.e. that's the kind of traditional writing most X-Men writers go for and don't achieve because, in point of fact, they're really awful writers), then you're S.O.L.

My personal theory for the disembodied Voice Of Xorn: The Phoenix force, starting to "burn away what doesn't work" in Magneto. Or it's just his personality breaking up under the drugs, but I like my idea better (which, from what I've gathered, should be the unofficial motto of all discussions of the X-Men).

Feel free to stone me off-board if I've gone over ideas covered a thousand times ad-nauseum...
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
19:58 / 26.11.03
Spoiled...






Wow. While the dialog seems a little stilted and off in parts on the other hand you have...

"You wanted a soldier, Magneto?" Go Beak!

"That's not how it looks to me" Go Cyclops! I love how the "New X-Men" includes two Sentinels and a human.

And "I am your inner star, Erik."

GO XORN!

God I feel like such a filthy fanboy.


Oh, and to answer the cover question that has been bouncing around, the cover is by Christopher Shy. He's done a lot of work for various RPG companies notably tons for White Wolf.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:37 / 26.11.03
I liked it...
 
 
Mike-O
23:56 / 26.11.03
FUCKING AMAZING. This issue, imo is the best of the arc so far... I cannot wait for #150... but I wonder if reading that Wizard preview of 151 will spoil a lot??

Someone pls say whether it spoils or not, pls!
 
 
Persephone
00:09 / 27.11.03
Oh, man... remember I asked Duncan which comic book character he'd like to know in real life? Scott Summers. Has he always been so tall? Is it worse to be in love with a comic book character or with the ten year old drummer from The School of Rock?

And yes, XORN LIVES!!! Have you guys seen my t-shirt?
 
 
Mike-O
01:13 / 27.11.03
Very nice, indeed... I likes it.
 
 
gotham island fae
07:16 / 27.11.03
SPOILERS of a speculate
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Okay, this is my post re: New X-Men 145 through 150-whatever.


I can't find my thread regarding speculations.


Phantomex' mask with many panels on his head = 'multiple brains for
independent parallel processing'=Jean and Xavier's inability to penetrate
this guy's mind/E.V.A. is the actual mutant= Phantomex is naught but but a
cold body with some tech-wiz like nano-blood and the parallel brains.

And Scott and Emma are together. [[GUSH]]

And Beast is alive and EEEEEvil. (Eventually.)

(So, that last bit was talk of the issues none of us have yet...

Minx I am...
 
 
biollante
12:53 / 27.11.03
Mike-o, I here that reading the New 151 preview will at least spoil one aspect of the end to 150.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
13:04 / 27.11.03
"Aaah, here's your problem, you had your Morrison set to 'crap writing'!"

I did like this issue. Mainly 'cos stuff happened rather than just endless talking.

I'm not too keen on the portrayal of Magneto, bringing up Hitler so that Mags can say he's nothing like him, while driving the humand in Manhatten into a massive crematorium should have given him a clue, but he's also taking mass amounts of Kick of which a small amount made Emma 'insane and psychotic' so he's not all there. I too remember fondly remember how Claremont changed him from evil to sympathetic to caring until market forces drove him evil again. And the return of Xorn is wonderful, I really really hope it is Xorn and not Charles, the evil in Xavier helped create Onslaught, so the good in Magneto being Xorn would be a nice touch.

And the little side notes to explain some of the inconsistencies in the story that we've argued about for months, that Magnetolured the heroes out of New York then erected a force shield, that the special class were being kept compliant by Esme through Martha, presumerably her getting wrapped up in her fan worship of Magneto weakened her control of Marsha, and now she's not impressed with Magneto's behaviour.

It's not to say Morrison's great again. Each year the main story has revolved around stopping Xavier's mighty brain one way or another, first year by sticking it in a broken body, second year by putting him in a helmet that blocks it, third year by keeping him in a coma-like state. And this desire Morrison has to get Xavier nekkid as well... brrr!

So, the best thing Morrison has written of late, though that's admittedly not saying a lot.
 
 
Quimper
15:33 / 27.11.03
Re: Planet X 4 and the Wizard preview...

Finally! The integrationist X-Men include more than just mutants! Love the NYPD officer on the X-Men in #149. Brilliant touch.

And yes, the Wizard spoiler gives away who dies in #150. Like it's such a difficult guess.

Silvestri's Emma is Pamela Anderson with a better fashion sense, btw.

Loved Beak's picking himself up after falling from the sky! What a trooper. Then, wouldn't you know...E.V.A. Where the hell did she come from? Methoughts she was blown up real good. And how did Cyke and Fantomex survive? It's like Mr. Burns and the Loch Ness Monster..."well, you know the rest..."

And no one has mentioned the strangest part! What's up with Ernst and Martha? Where did she grow balls from all of a sudden? "It's boring and old-fashioned." Pretty much justifies Morrison's portrayal of Magneto. So many people cried foul at the Xorneto revelation b/c Morrison was replacing the new with the old. No...he's showing how lame the old is, and has been through this whole arc.

But I wanna know what Ernst is going to do!!!
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:11 / 27.11.03
And I forgot to say earlier... "Congratulations Magneto, you have become schizophrenic."

Go Beak!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:40 / 27.11.03
Okay, first off, I will be very angry if anyone talks about the events of #150 or #151 in this thread. Please, no fucking spoilers. Let's keep things focused on this issue.

#149 is easily one of my favorite issues of the run thus far. What a great issue.

I wish that they had explained how Scott, Fantomex, and EVA escaped...wasn't EVA severely wounded just before the plane crash? I thought she was dead, actually.

I love that Xorn is back to stop Magneto.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:57 / 27.11.03
And no one has mentioned the strangest part! What's up with Ernst and Martha? Where did she grow balls from all of a sudden?

If some people are right, I think we're seeing Ernst for who she truly is.

Pretty much justifies Morrison's portrayal of Magneto. So many people cried foul at the Xorneto revelation b/c Morrison was replacing the new with the old.

See, I don't think it's that. I think this issue makes something clear - Grant split Magneto into two. There's the good Xorn, and the insane despot Magneto. It suggests that maybe it hasn't been Xavier Vs. Magneto all along, but really Magneto Vs. Magneto. I love that. And I love that Xorn is instrumental to Magneto's downfall.

Also: Beak is now a cyclops! Grant truly was making him out to be a parallel with Scott all along. I never doubted it, but I don't think I would have quite picked up on it were it not for some of you.

The final seven pages of this issue were among the best pages of NXM to date. What a great ending!

I wonder how Emma and Henry will make their entry in the next issue - they are both the wild card/deus ex machina/11th hour characters, so it should be true to form. Everyone else is being setting up to play to their strengths in the next issue, especially good old Scott playing the leader/soldier role with a renewed confidence. I love it.
 
 
Mike-O
19:09 / 27.11.03
I love how Xorn has become real THRU Magneto, in a sense. Flux, I agree with you, man. This is perhaps one of the best issues of the run, and I think it's b/c issues like this comlpetely validate all of the little hints dropped in the past, and tie everything together. They are the catalyst for the cohesion of this epic, 41 issue story. I love it, man. That last scene, in Xavier's head, really blew my mind. I fucking love this comic.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
19:22 / 27.11.03
(what I wrote elsewhere and I can't be arsed to re-do it.... similar thoughts to Matthew/Flux tho)Ok... I'm a bit happier with the direction GM's taken Mags.

He IS a shadow of himself but everyone KNOWS it. Esme comments upon it in this issue. He's not the Eric she fell in love with. Sound familar fanboys?

He IS a cartoon version of Magneto because it seems he's fragmented his psyche into two distinct parts: Magneto and Xorn.

"You made Xorn too well--
In the image of your idealism, your strength, your wisdom."

Thats where your Magneto went, thats why all thats left is his villainy, his megalomania, his Hitler stance.

This arc is obviously being written as a complete story and is suffering from the book format. The first scene in this issue feels like it should have run directly (ie no month gap) from the last scene with Beak and Mags. All of these scenes throughout this arc have seemed incredibly disjointed but I expect it'll read perfectly well in the trade. It just annoys me that we suffer by buying the story monthly.

One question:
where's Hank and Emma? They went to find Scott and Fantomex who seem alive and well. So whats happened to them?
Oh and how does Barnell know who Fantomex is? Or the Police officer? He never met them!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:25 / 27.11.03
My personal theory for the disembodied Voice Of Xorn: The Phoenix force, starting to "burn away what doesn't work" in Magneto. Or it's just his personality breaking up under the drugs, but I like my idea better (which, from what I've gathered, should be the unofficial motto of all discussions of the X-Men).

Ah, that's valid, but I think it's just so much better if it's just "Xorn" haunting Magneto - he's coming to the horrible realization that everything he's done has been a miserable failure, and that he was far better when he was Xorn. There was a *reason* why the kids listened to him then - he had something valid to say, and he was a good person.

I love that at the end of the issue, Magneto is gloating to Charles, goading him to admit that he was right, but the story is going to have to end with Magneto finally being humiliated into admitting that HE was wrong all along. The only times Erik has ever been successful were when he was working with Charles - that will crush him.
 
  

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