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New X-Men #149

 
  

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FinderWolf
18:13 / 20.10.03
Very curious to see why Xorn is on the cover -- does Beak assume the mantle of Xorn in this issue, or is all this Beak-as-the-"New"-Xorn talk just random fan speculation? I honestly have no idea, but I look forward to finding out...
 
 
The Falcon
18:25 / 20.10.03
It's entirely random speculation, HW.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
18:30 / 20.10.03
I doubt this cover will have much to do with the issue. I expect this will be about Emma, Scott, Beast and Fantomex, with possibly a few panels of Mags.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
18:48 / 20.10.03
This story arc is a terrible end to a book with "New" in the title. Such a wasted oportunity. This Mags-on-drugs stuff has been done before- not least bu Lobdell immediately to Grant's run. Keeping Xorn as a "real" character would have been much better, and I think braver. I got into this book (and by extention comics as a whole again) because it had the balls to change stuff. I feel fucking shortchanged after all this build up. Sure last issue was great, but the arc as a whole? Awful.
 
 
The Falcon
19:29 / 20.10.03
Rubbish, Radiator.
 
 
Axel Lambert
19:35 / 20.10.03
Beak dresses up as Xorn
Ernst misses nice Xorn
Ernst is in close contact with Martha
Martha controlling whole Special class
 
 
The Falcon
20:00 / 20.10.03
There's a quite palatable theory on ComiX-Fan that Ernst = Cassie Nova/Stuff.

It's 'experiencing heavy traffic' the now, so I'll give up a link later.
 
 
The Falcon
20:02 / 20.10.03
Here we go.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:14 / 20.10.03
Well, I tend to believe that if Xorn is on the cover he should appear in some form in the book. But then again, Beast didn't appear in the last issue either (damn NuMarvel! - but then again, I liked the Aunt May therapy Spidey issue and Spidey wasn't really in that one).
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:41 / 20.10.03
that comix fan theory is nuts! Did Ernst EVER appear in the comic before the end of Imperial?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
21:50 / 20.10.03
Call me rubbish all you want Dunc, I feel like a Sex Pistols fan turning up to a gig and finding that they've become a Yes tribute band. It's just boring reto toss. This story has been done three times already, more or less.
 
 
Axel Lambert
22:29 / 20.10.03
Ernst = Cassandra Nova.
I believe that now.
"Ernst could find no one to be responsible for." Was that Cassandra's problem?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:43 / 20.10.03
Maybe you've just been kidding yourself the whole time, Radiator. This has been the X-Men the whole time. Let's break this down, okay?

In the first story, the X-Men fought a Shadowy Mystery Villain From The Past, were attacked by Sentinels, and had a former villain join the group.

In the second story, the school is under attack, and Wolverine takes a teenage girl under his wing. And the Phoenix returns.

In the third story, the Shi'Ar Imperial Guard fight the X-Men, and the team fight the mystery villain from the first arc, who turns out to be Professor X's evil twin.

In the fourth storyline, we meet a badass gun nut. He's mysterious!

In the next set of stories we have a love triangle, a guest appearance by a lot of Rob Liefeld characters, and a story about Magneto.

Then we have the riot.

After that, we have a murder mystery, a la Columbo.

Then we have the Assault storyline, which seems a little like a homage to mid-90s action/superheroics.

And now we have the big finale, in which we learn that one of the mystery characters was The Big Villain All Along, and he reverts to his old ways, which turn out to be totally ridiculous in the context of the new world that's been in the background of this comic all along. It's a story about how Magneto Was Wrong, and how even though he seems foolish and unrealistic, Xavier Was Right. It's about proving once and for all that Magneto is not a noble guy with noble goals - he's an evil creep whose goals are selfish and have nothing to do with making the world better. It's about showing how extremism only leads to disaster. Trust me, dude - I've read them all - none of the previous Magneto stories were like Planet X. None of them were out to prove this point.

Really, if any of the stories are showing how this is a New approach to the X-Men, this one is it. This is the logical conclusion of the Magneto Vs. Xavier dialectic. This is what the X-Men is all about.

Anyway, if you look back over all of the stories that I just outlined, isn't it pretty clear that aside from maybe the Riot story, that everything that Grant did was well within the tradition of the X-Men comics that came before him? His style was different, but the content and iconography was always the same.

Basically, don't blame Grant for the supposed bait and switch, you've been kidding yourself about what you've been reading the whole time. It's the X-Men, man.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:54 / 20.10.03
Oh, right! I think you're right about Ernst. She's a little girl, because that's the age she's at right now while she's learning! And that's why she looks so old. And she's telepathic.

But what's with the superstrength?

Mmm. I'd like for this to be the case.

I would assume that she is named after Max Ernst, the Dadaist collagist. He made great things by cutting old things apart, putting them together, and making new things. If Ernst is stuff/Cassandra, she is a living collage!
 
 
The Falcon
23:13 / 20.10.03
Yeah, names are quite often telltale things with Grant. Could be...

I know it's the X-Men, but it's been, as I may already have said, grand and ludicrous tragedy, which offers some shafts of hope and at least three cool ideas per ish; which is exactly what I like superhero comics to be. I wasn't calling you rubbish personally, Radiator, just your opinion, which was both hyperbolic and pissy. Though far from the first of its' type I've seen.
 
 
The Falcon
23:17 / 20.10.03
And just to clarify further, Radiator, I think it's just 'cos you're upset about Xorn not being real; I am too, but I offer this gem of rationalisation - he is, he's a manifestation of Magneto's schizotypal personality. The other half is on display at the moment and Ultra-Magneto's just crap compared to Xorn, isn't he?

Rubbish, even.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
01:19 / 21.10.03
No problems, I was phrasing badly.

I guess I'm just deflated- we get a run which promises to end with a paridigim-busting (at least for the X-Men) to match it's paridigim busting opening- and what we end up with is a traditional, abeit very well written magneto story. The balls are still there (Manhattan is gone>, Proffesor) but the imagination ran dry three issues ago. Oh for the days of E is for Extincttion...
 
 
gotham island fae
03:35 / 21.10.03
But, but what was really so ground-breaking about E for Extinction other than GM's style? I have agreed with the point Flux makes above about the traditional bend to all of Grant's stories since I scanned the Vol. 1 tradepaperback in B&N.

Hello. Evil twin.

Looking at it, I suppose you could say the E wasn't immediately the 'sadistic clone of a hero takes the hero's place' because it wasn't revealed until Imperial that Cassie is who she is. It's all one arc/act, though.

Evil twin.

Say it to yourself.

This last turn is just one more Morrison foray into 'traditional X-Men' (I ain't even gonna try and define that phrase) story-telling. The thing that has made this and all the others so great to me is the 'times five' vibe that Grant seems to be applying to such tried-and-true story archetypes.
 
 
Spaniel
09:05 / 21.10.03
That shot of Cassie holding Martha in Here Comes Tomorrow clinches it for me.

As for "super strength", not sure we should get too hung up on this. Grant does like to play fast and loose with the details.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
09:36 / 21.10.03
Hey I'd like some kudos for the Ernst/Cassandra similarities... I've been talking about that for months.





I'm so underappreciated.
 
 
Spaniel
11:31 / 21.10.03
I really like good intuitive thinking - sometimes it does fly up its own arse, but it often leads to some surprisingly accurate results.

Rawkusboi, you are appreciated.
 
 
Quimper
13:14 / 21.10.03
My first instinct when I saw the preview pages for the first part of Riot was, "Awww. Look at wittle Cassie." Go with your gut. It's her. Superstrength? Maybe she can lift a bundle of logs in the forest b/c her body is actually a malleable alien substance. Superstrength is just a symptom, not a power, of having Stuff's body.

Not to suggest that Morrison is recycling, but....let's think shapeshifting White Martians from JLA. They were impossible to defeat, so Martain Manhunter reprogrammed them to believe themselves to be just ordinary humans and let them lead delusional lives as such, believing themselves to be lesser than they really were. Perhaps the same is being done with Ernst/Cassie. Let her think she's a little girl who can lift a car instead of that "f*cked up thing just trying to survive" who slaughtered 16 million mutants.

But what an interesting moral dilemma for all characters should Mags find out that Ernst is Cassie, the genocidal maniac. Here we will have another clear-cut Xavier Institute vs. Magneto Philosophy. The Institute re-educated her while Mags will certainly try to kill her.

Oh, and I definitely think Beak is going to don the Xorn mask for the executions, just to seem scarier. Maybe he'll use it to talk Ernst into tapping into her true power.
 
 
Quireboy
15:53 / 21.10.03
I can't be the only one who thought that Quitely's rendering of Beak - with the shortened beak and teeth - looked very like Xorn's mask. It may be unwise to guess anything from the cover but 'Xorn' does look spindly and birdlike in this picture.
 
 
Quimper
16:38 / 21.10.03
I can see it now...

ANGEL: "Beakie! Tell her!"

BEAK: No, I can't!

ANGEL: "Tell her what she can do!"

BEAK: "No! Then she'll become that monster that made me hurt Dr. McCoy! Everyone will hate me again!"

ANGEL: "No, they won't, Poppie. I love you. Do it. Do it to protect our family! I don't want them growing up in the same hell we did!"

BEAK: (puts on Xorn's mask)..."Ernst. Little Ernst. Listen to me. Do you trust me...?"

Ahhhhh. Drama.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
16:44 / 21.10.03
further proof of Beak becoming the Xorn of this cover: he's been wearing an X jacket throughout this story arc...

god, i love ernst = cassie and beak = xorn

totally redeems the entire "i was the villian all along" thing with Mags.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:29 / 21.10.03
My God. Such limitless potential in that scenario. Beak dressing up as Xorn, maybe even mistaken for him from a distance (Logan's confusion on the Asteroid as far as Xorn and Magneto is a crucial detail then), and totally biting it. I would cry.

Quimps, that's crackin' dialogue.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
20:17 / 21.10.03
What gizmos are in that helmet anyway? some sort of laser setup, a voice modulator, an image inducer?

As for Ernst = Cassie: Grant has stated that Ernst has Huntingdons. Which seems to point to her being a little girl with a genetic disorder, not Cassie-in-stuff. It would tie into the fictionsuits theme, however.

Mind you, just wait until you find out who Fantomex really is next ish..
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
22:04 / 21.10.03
Fantomex is obviously Cyclops Unbound.

I don't know if I'm being tongue in cheek or not.
 
 
Quimper
22:05 / 21.10.03
Grant also stated that Magneto was dead and will never be returning.
 
 
Quimper
22:07 / 21.10.03
And I've already guessed who Fantomex is. I can't wait until he meets his sister, Emma. You all told me I was crazy, but the beret! THE BERET!!!
 
 
Spaniel
08:17 / 22.10.03
Grant has stated that Ernst has Huntingdons.

No offence, Radiator, but who gives a shit. We know the man is capable of humungo bullshit.
 
 
Ganesh
12:50 / 22.10.03
Do we mean Huntington's Disease? If so, uh, why? What would be the point, plot-wise?
 
 
The Falcon
14:15 / 22.10.03
I'm definitely down with the Ernst theory. She's the one currently having massive problems with the idea of extraneous identities, a safety bug that may well have been implanted, understandably, in her neuralware by Charles/Jean/Emma.
 
 
Quimper
20:50 / 22.10.03
More on Fantomex, I think Emma's line about her life coming to some sort of horrible closure makes a lot of sense considering my theory.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
02:41 / 23.10.03
Of course, the question is: how can he be her brother if he was raised in The World?

And were does the lie-spreading sentinel nanopollen fit into all this?
 
  

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