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The Geeky X-Men Thread

 
  

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Gary Lactus
15:51 / 09.05.03
Thankyou for answering my Beast question, my geeks.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:39 / 09.05.03
Next Up:

Bo Derek originally cast as the lead for The Dazzeler movie...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:54 / 09.05.03
Who had the bestest X-Mullet? For my money it's a toss off between Longshot and Rachel Summers (Excaliber) Thoughts?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:11 / 09.05.03
Oh please! Longshot has the best mullet in comics, ever!

 
 
Persephone
17:13 / 09.05.03
Wolverine's hair: admantium or healing factor?

Says doctorbeck,

can one of the continuity kings tell us if wolfies hair was like that BEFORE the weapon x programme, if so then healing factor and mutie hair, if not adamantium

What do you say?
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:53 / 09.05.03
It was totally like that LOOOOOOONG before he got his adamantium...

Actually there was an Uncanny X-men story (durring Jim Lee's early issues) that took place durring WWII... and featured a young logan fighting with Capt America... He had that same hair, smaller sideburns (I guess to indicate his youth) and a sword...
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
17:56 / 09.05.03
Wolvie's hair=Mutant healing power (he had the same style in Origin & Weapon X iirc.

Silvestri showed him greasing it up into the style he wore in 'Havoc & Wolverine: Meltdown' in one sequence during the outback years.
 
 
deja_vroom
19:20 / 09.05.03
I'm shocked! Logan had natural claws! Never would have thought... so:

1) Logan's sekeleton was replaced with adamantium or was covered with it?

2)How did he got the adamantium back?
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:22 / 09.05.03
Logan's skeleton was "laced" with Adamantium... As where his claws... One would figure they had to be widdled down before the process as in their natural state they where KNARLEY...

At one point he was mutated into a much more feral state before he "disappeared" and showed up playing "DEATH" for Apocolypse's 4 hoursmen quartet... with the Adamantium claws & skeleton restored.
 
 
Persephone
02:15 / 10.05.03
*end zone dance*
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
03:04 / 10.05.03
Wolverine's hair: admantium or healing factor?

I thought he was just Canadian.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:59 / 10.05.03
Sort of tangential:

[I have to admit to a sneaking fondness for Captain Britain, Excalibur, and Knights of Pendragon. There's some very, very bad stuff, of course, but there's a (perhaps predictable) attempt to be political and engage a bit, as Hellblazer did. Unsurprising given that Alan Moore did a fair bit of Captain Britain. The character never settled down, though, and the Excalibur team (though it was, paradoxically, my introduction to Kurt Wagner and Phoenix) never did anything very special except get their ass kicked.

Still and all, I'd love to play with the CB character for a few issues one day.]
 
 
ciarconn
12:07 / 10.05.03
ON Wolverine's claws, Claremont thought them as implanted, not natural.
The writer (or the editor) that wrote that part when Magneto tore his skeleton out, thought that a Wolverine without claws wasn't cool enough, so they decided to make them natural.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:17 / 10.05.03
Absolutely - the 'bone claws' thing is retroactive continuity, as I hoped that I implied in my X-history earlier in the thread. Claremont would occasionally refer to Wolvie's claws as being 'bionic,' he definitely intended the claws to be implants. I think it actually makes more sense for them to be part of his skeleton, though. I'm glad that they made that change, though five years or so of Wolverine without adamantium was very lame.
 
 
Hieronymus
13:40 / 10.05.03
At one point he was mutated into a much more feral state before he "disappeared" and showed up playing "DEATH" for Apocolypse's 4 hoursmen quartet... with the Adamantium claws & skeleton restored.

So wait... they used the same trope that they did for Angel becoming Archangel only to give Wolverine back his adamantium? Geez. When was this?
 
 
moriarty
17:00 / 10.05.03
I am Gambit's Unappreciated Ass, courtesy of Neilalien.

Everything you needed to know about the ragin' cajun with the ass that just won't quit.

Also contains tons of information, pictures, slash fiction and haikus about Wolverine's Belt Buckle.

There. That should fill up the remaining holes in Flux's condensed X-history.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
19:00 / 10.05.03
In X-Men #100 (before it was Uncanny) Wolverine was being scanned, and the other X-Men were shocked to discover that the claws weren't in his glove. Cockrum drew the "scan" as if it was a bionic housing. This was also shown in one of the endless "Marvel Handbooks" with Eliot Brown (I believe) showing scematics of how they worked.

But then when they wanted a Big Event, they forgot this and have now papered it over with "Origins" (which has so many continuity errors, it isn't even funny).

Maybe Marvel has hypertime as well.
 
 
Pants Payroll
18:08 / 11.05.03
from a len wein interview;

sanderson: now, before the new x-men series began, you already created wolverine. was that done with the intention of putting him in the book later?

wein: mm-hm. if it came to be. i figured i'd cover myself on the off chance we did do a new book, and we needed other characters. actually, the name "wolverine" was roy (thomas)'s suggestion: he suggested "do a character called wolverine", gave him to me to create for the hulk (#181-182) , and most of the rest of the details as to who and what he was were my own. so i decided to make him a teen-age mutant, to be one of the new x-men if it came to pass.

sanderson: chris claremont said in his interview that he thought you intended that wolverines claws came out of his gloves and not his hands.

wein: absolutely.

sanderson: the claws were not part of him.

wein: nope. he had no adamantium skeleton, he had nothing. he was a mutant only in terms of his ferocity and his animal senses. he was a hunter and tracker and incredibly resilient. he was able to get the stuff kicked out of him by the hulk and still be able to get back on his feet.

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but, i have to say that i prefer the claws as implants rather than bone. i always thought of his "healing factor as his ONLY mutant ability, and his senses, strength etc deriving from this "cellular regeneration", sort of kicking his metabolism into high gear. implants just makes more sense to me than a guy to whom nature gave big shafts of bone that come flying out of the backs of his hands. i know its a comic book , but willing suspension of disbelief only gets me so far.

thats actually around the time i stopped reading (not because of that, just a coincidence). was the bone thing a surprise to logan, or was he supposed to have known this all along? i seem to remember him saying that the claws were given to him. sorry if that question was answered in a previous posting.

as for his hair, he doesnt seem like the kind of guy to spend too much time in front of the mirror with a blow dryer and hair gel. i guess he could always cut it, if he wanted, y'know? get a crew cut. check this out. in 1985 there was this one-shot thing called "heroes for hope" the proceeds of which were supposedly going toward famine releif. theres a part where this entity is making wolverine hallucinate:

"total darkness...and the scent of his own unnatural fear. he sinks to his knees...wolverene. he rises...a half naked logan, no longer the half-beast-thing. hair normal; no claws; no uniform; a normal man. naked and vulnerable. bewildered, he looks around...fascinated by his own body; human for the first time in his memory."

i know the issue doesnt take place in regular x-men continuity, and the 3 pages upon which the sequence takes place are acually scripted by harlan ellison, i just thought it was interesting. maybe another mutant ability is hair that defies gravity.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:41 / 11.05.03
If memory serves, Wolverine was pretty damn surprised when he first popped the bone claws after Magneto removed the metal.

I suppose a writer could suggest that Wolverine's body grew the claws because it had somehow come to accept the bionic claws as part of the body, and the bone claws grew back to replace the parts which were missing.
 
 
some guy
19:56 / 11.05.03
Bone claws blow. Shouldn't Claremont's narrative text boxes be considered "objective truth" in terms of continuity? They're implants.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
03:19 / 12.05.03
wasnt there something in there about the bone claws being implanted as a way to anchor the adamantium?
 
 
rakehell
06:47 / 12.05.03
There an issue of the Wolverine series several years ago where Wolverine got a crew cut in order to try and disguise himself and the hair grew back to its "natural" state in a few panels or pages.
 
 
rakehell
07:02 / 12.05.03
There are pictures from that issue (#59) here.
 
 
doctorbeck
08:34 / 12.05.03
thank you for bringing the wolverines hair debate over to the comics forum where geek-fu has prevailed

of course there is a problem with the different explanations for his hair in the film continuity and the comic continuity, but for the sake of brevity maybe we should stick tom comics continuity

however on the strength of that it looks like that hair style is it's natural state, eternally replenished by his healing factor and not at all related to being held in place harmony hair spray style by micro-particles of adamantium


i can now sleep soundly knowing that it is clear

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Laughing
17:21 / 12.05.03
I am loving this thread and not ashamed to admit it. Carry on, Flux, carry on.

Oh, and a few quick questions.

1. What's the status on Multiple Man? He's one of my favorite characters and I haven't seen mention of him lately. Is he in Uncanny? Dead? Lost in the Savage Land?

2. Where does X-Men 2099 fit into all this? I'm assuming it's just kinda pushed to the side, which is a shame. The 2099 universe had some pretty interesting stuff. Or at least it did at first. I lost track after a while.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:50 / 12.05.03
As per New-X-meN...

Jamie Madrox the Multiple Man is part of the European office of the X-corp. Along with Siryn, M,& Rictor... Cannon Ball just reciently left to join Xtreme X-men.

X-Men 2099 is only 96 years away... never read it & assume it's prettymuch forgotten.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:18 / 12.05.03
Continuity-wise, all of the 2099 comics may as well not exist. They've never been part of mainstream X-continuity, even with the number of future timelines which are a part of it.
 
 
Panic
20:44 / 12.05.03
Question regarding a bit NEW MUTANT character: Lila Cheyney, Britpunk mutant rockstar/intergalactic thief who had a Dyson sphere summerhome and fancied much younger men....what happened to her? I've got a vague concept a-stirrin' for sci-fi adventure that needs a Marvel U character if I ever pitch to them. Any info would be appreciated!
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:19 / 12.05.03
I think she just appeared in an issue of Xtreme X-men... the one with CannonBall on the cover...
 
 
The Falcon
00:30 / 13.05.03
Aye, she did.

Continuity-wise, all of the 2099 comics may as well not exist.

I think Ellis' Doom 2099 crossed-over with the contemporary FF, and I know the current Captain Marvel visited that era recently. I hasten to add I didn't buy this book.
 
 
ciarconn
01:20 / 13.05.03
OK, i got this one, even if it's a bit out of topic

Is vibranium magnetizable?

I know that Adamantium had been defined as not magnetizable (yeah, another continuity failure on Magneto pulling Logan's skeleton), but I can't find out about vibranium (antartic, please)
 
 
The Falcon
02:52 / 13.05.03
I think it is, yes. Both in Marvel Boy and Black Panther I've seen characters running up the side of a building due to their vibranium-soled shoes.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
03:12 / 13.05.03
I think Ellis' Doom 2099 crossed-over with the contemporary FF, and I know the current Captain Marvel visited that era recently. I hasten to add I didn't buy this book.

Yeah, but that's not really part of X-Men continuity, but part of the overall Marvel continuity. If you want to be a pedant about it, sure, alright, fine. But if you're trying to give information to people without confusing them, a simple "X-Men 2099 has nothing to do with the proper X-Men" will do.

I'd take anything that Peter David writes with a grain of salt the size of seven Jupiters, by the way. He's writing almost exclusively for the worst kind of 'fatbeard' audience and seems to exist in the comics industry primarily to entertain an aging nostalgia-obsessed audience. People like David seem to have a contempt for anyone who hasn't been reading the same comics for the past three decades.
 
 
The Falcon
14:44 / 13.05.03
I think people can handle it, baby.

I don't read fat Peter David.

And you did say 'all'.
 
 
Cop Killer
08:49 / 16.05.03
How did Beast go from blue guy to somewhat normal looking guy that got stupider as he got stronger back to being a blue guy?
 
  

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