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The Geeky X-Men Thread

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Essential Dazzler

20:52 / 10.07.06

Why are there three teams of x-men? Does each one have a specific area of mutant affairs that they deal with. Say, Local problems, worldwide problems, and one for relationship problems?. Is it purely to allow Marvel to put out three X-Books a month?

22:24 / 10.07.06

Sometimes there's attempts to give each team a different purpose, but right now, AFAIK, it's basically Marvel wanting to publish three different books a month. Back in the Morrison era, the New X-Men team was primarily centered around the school, Claremont's X-Treme X-Men team was out searching for Destiny's diaries because they disapproved of the new direction Xavier had taken and Austen's team was just sort of there. I'm not sure what things are like now, post decimation and all that stuff.

Matthew Fluxington

01:28 / 11.07.06

The new situation makes a bit more sense than it has in the recent past. Ed Brubaker's group is clearly defined as Xavier, Nightcrawler, Marvel Girl, Havok, Polaris, and Warpath. They are on a specific mission in outer space for the next twelve issues of Uncanny X-Men. Joss Whedon's group in Astonishing X-Men carries on from New X-Men, and focuses on the core X-Men who run the school. Since it hasn't come out yet, I'm not sure exactly what sort of tangent Mike Carey's X-Men book will take, but they are sort of the oddball misfit X-Men - Cable, Mystique, Rogue, Iceman, Cannonball, Sabretooth.

21:14 / 12.07.06

Well the oddball team is now considered a "Fast Response Unit" with no teaching responsibilities and lead by Rogue.

So there's a space team

a fast strike tast force

and the teachers.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

21:47 / 12.07.06

Do we know if Aurora's actually going to show up sometime soon, or was she just on the cover 'cause? And I liked Rogue this time out, which is unusual for me.

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

05:57 / 13.07.06

I think that when they have a good reason for the teams to be seperate, the books read much better. There was a time in the 90's after the Age of Apocolypse thing where a couple of writers came on (whose names escape me right now) and were actually doing some good stories involving a slow buildup to Jean becoming Phoenix again, but the run was cut short.

Each team was involved in a different "mission", but it soon went back to "whoever this writer wants to play with...and Wolverine".

12:49 / 13.07.06

Joe Kelly and Steven Seagle. Although, I thought Kelly was much better, and I think Seagle was doing the Phoenix buildup with the original team.

Matthew Fluxington

19:07 / 16.07.06

Aurora and Northstar will be in the next few issues of X-Men. The covers for both Uncanny #475 and X-Men #188 are kinda like trailers for the arcs, not necessarily meant to represent the single issue.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

08:22 / 17.07.06

The three teams in one mansion idea is always problematic because it always begs the question: Why not overwhelm Danger with force of numbers? Or, how tough is Ord of the Breakworld going to be when he's fighting around 2 dozen pissed of mutants. At least X-Treme X-Men addressed this, albeit in a stupid way.

I was under the impression that Professor Xavier lost his powers. I guess this list is wrong in that respect? How many repowered mutants are we at now?

the credible hulk

09:42 / 17.07.06

Nah, Xavier's still powerless. That's why he brought Marvel Girl along.

18:47 / 10.08.06

Hi, I'm trying to track down a back issue of X-Men, or it may be Generation X, which had a backstory on Emma Frost. I do not mean the New X-Men series. I understand this comic told how she was put in a mental hospital by her parents. Does anyone know the title & issue number? Scans would be very welcome!

20:45 / 10.08.06

Generation X #24, since retconned by the Emma Frost solo series.

00:38 / 26.01.07

I've started reading Essential X-Factor, and am going to review it like I did Claremont's X-Men. The first two are up already. The book has a pretty troubled start, with Scott leaving his wife and the goofy mutant hunters premise, but it picks up fairly quickly. I'm up to the Mutant Massacre now, which is still the best X-Over they ever did.

Having been away from 80s X-Verse for a while, it's surprising how some of themes and ideas are so good, but the dialogue remains generally awful. I suppose that's the consequence of writing for a younger audience in a monthly format, you have to introduce the characters and their powers every month, and keep people up to date on what happened. It's sometimes frustrating, but it was such a good time for the X-verse as a whole, I can forgive it. It's nice to go back to an era where the continuity was actually managable, and it felt like one cohesive world with logical forward character development. Today, the need for licensing and movies, etc. makes it pretty much impossible for characters to evolve in the way they did back then. But, I suppose you shouldn't be picking up any book numbered in the 400s and expect major change to occur.

17:51 / 27.02.07

How much of the Morrison's X-run can be mapped onto X-Factor (the first series)?

X-run corporation.

Chicken mutant.

Beast getting busted up and mutating. Devolver argument.

Cyke trying to be leader-god, while screwing up his romantic relationship(s).

Trish Tilby.

Betrayal from within.

The Right/U-Men.

Celebrity as assisting integration, as opposed to the ghetto-izing of mutants. Mutant Town.

Kids. Several of them.

Telepathy-induced vision of falling as metaphor, shedding identities/X-stuff.

17:53 / 27.02.07

Sentinels who build themselves up from scrap materials.

Manifestation of the Phoenix making X-people paranoid.

Reactionary drama queen McCoy.

18:59 / 27.02.07

I noticed a bunch of those similarities too, particularly the evolving sentinels. Other than Wolverine, every one of the major New X-Men characters was stationed over in X-Factor during the series' glory days in the 80s. I think X-Factor gets a bad reputation because it starts out so poorly, but I was really enjoying it by the end of the first Essential volume, and I've got Volume 2 waiting for me after I finish rereading The Invisibles.

MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!

19:03 / 27.02.07

I'd argue that Emma was "core" NXM during the Morrison run...

20:28 / 27.02.07

I've always wondered why Louise Simonson wasn't recognized as being a far superior writer to many, many of her contemporaries. Perhaps not world-changing or meme-bustingly exceptional, but I mean, look at the difference between her X-Factor and those first few issues. Or, hers and Peter David's.

Rusty Collins little woman-on-fire incident came before Simonson came onboard, right? That was exceptionally badly executed, in lay-out, in pacing, and so on.

19:54 / 08.04.07

I've only been erratically following the X-Men since the end of GM's run, picking up only Milligan's run and PAD's X-Factor (and the occasional Astonishing when it isn't sold out), but I was wondering..

Has Fantomex reappeared since the end of New X-Men?

20:04 / 08.04.07

He's in 'X-Men: The End' sort of. Various X-types are being given fantasy delusions by the Ladies Mastermind, and X-23 hallucinates a BBQ with Fantmex and some kids.

Essential Dazzler

20:05 / 08.04.07

Off the top of my head I know for certain he's appeared in Mystique's solo series and the Days of Future Now mini, I haven't read either so I can't comment.

Essential Dazzler

20:08 / 08.04.07

Ah, had forgotten his appearence in The End which is odd as I actually read that one, most of Grant's stuff get's a mention in that series.

20:33 / 08.04.07

I was actually surprised, on reading those three minis, how much of Morrison's work is included and integral. Of course, so much of Liefield's is, too, so... (actually, I kinda like Liefield's old Marvel stuff, at least when he had a writer covering for him.)

23:27 / 08.04.07

Is X-Men: The End any good though? It's written by Claremont, who was great in the '80s, but the last thing I read by him was a fair chunk of X-Treme X-Men and that was average at best.

I've heard that it has an everything but the kitchen sink approach, with most characters having some sort of role.

23:56 / 08.04.07

I think it's the best thing Claremont's written in decades. Take that however you want. And his ultimate conclusions about the whole of X were quite in line with my own, so I don't see why nobody bothers to write that story and follow it all the way through.

But see, I didn't actually pay for those issues. I borrowed them. In terms of actually spending money, there's probably better things. Better X-things, even.

13:19 / 09.04.07

Fantomex also appears in several issues, and as a cover star of, Frank Tieri's (I'm guessing, but...) execrable Weapon X series.

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