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Mafia - Game Thread

 
  

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bio k9
19:23 / 15.01.03
The dying person reveals the Truth to the Village.

The death of a detective is the only way that the entire village can learn what the detectives have uncovered. Two nights, two lynchings, two mob hits, two questions per detective. Qalyn asked about Whiskey Priestess and myself, hopefully the other detective asked about different people.
 
 
Sax
19:35 / 15.01.03
Very clever, Mr grant. But not quite clever enough. See, you asked how I know Perseph is but a humble villager. I'd either have to be mafia, and thus know every other mafioso in the village, or a detective, having asked a question about P's innocence and have it answered.

Get rid of me, you might be getting rid of the only chance you've got to expose mafia. I don't see anyone else trying to subtly move opinion away from some people and towards others, do you?

Thus, my hand is forced.

Grant. He's rotten through and through.
 
 
Persephone
20:11 / 15.01.03
Although I have good reasons to believe Qalyn was telling the truth in his deathbed letter, there's no reason (other than convenience, or the Mayor's divine mercy) that any of us have to believe it... well, except he was clearly Detective, and has an interest in defeating Mafia.

Why do you keep trying to cast doubt on the thing that we're supposed to be able to trust? If you were a villager, you would want *so badly* for Qalyn's letter to be true... that would be your reason. Also I don't think that the Mayor is supposed to fuck with us, I think we're being fucked with enough. If you are a villager, then Whiskey's right and you're either stupid or suicidal... and I don't think you're stupid, grant.
 
 
grant
21:29 / 15.01.03
Like I said, I was thinking out loud.


Man, this is totally getting all John Woo here. ..eyeing Sax...
 
 
Lionheart
03:57 / 16.01.03
Two days before Qualyn died he PMed me with the following:

"Nice work, citizen. Yes, I'm really a detective, but I'm not going to ask about Sax, as I'm fairly sure he is mafia."

I'm gonna go with the dead detective's hint (now that I know that he was a detective) and so I'm accusing Sax of being a mafioso. May the spirit of Qualyn prove us right.
 
 
Sax
06:31 / 16.01.03
Remember what I said about the villagers having no protection if the last detective goes... you'll be foundering around in the dark. What can I say? I knew Qalyin wasn't Mafia and I know Persephone isn't Mafia. If I'm still alive tomorrow, I'll know about Grant as well.

But it's in your hands, people.
 
 
Persephone
11:53 / 16.01.03
This also seems like a reasonable plea, except (in this iteration of the game) no one chooses to be what they are. It's not a choice. The Scorpions are Scorpions - they do what they do. It's our job to stop the Scorpions from doing their job. (Unless we, in fact, are Scorpions ourselves.)

I chose. I requested to be a villager. I had to know what that felt like before I got all into being a mafioso. There's tons of psych studies out there --look up Zimbardo-- that put people into odious roles to see what they do. Ninety-nine percent of subjects go right along with what they're told to do. People shocking old men to death for making spelling errors.

The endgame's not the end. There's an aftergame, you know. No matter who wins or loses, the truth does come out.

I don't necessarily trust Sax. Ironically, the only person I trust completely is bio K9 now. But at the moment Sax isn't annoying me with mealy-mouthed excuses about scorpions. If he's Mafia and still thinks it's funny to headfuck me, then he'd better start worrying about his aftergame.

Let's find out. The only way to know is to start stacking up bodies, and I want to know.

I vote to kill grant.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
11:56 / 16.01.03
Votes so far -

Sax - accused Grant
Grant - Accused Sax
Lionheart - accused Sax
Persephone - accused Grant

bio K9
Duncan
Paleface
Whisky P


I hope those who haven't voted are following this, and vote soon...
 
 
grant
13:06 / 16.01.03
Man, what comes around, goes around, I guess.


It just occurred to me that Duncan's being awfully quiet. Of course, stick your neck out, and you get votes against you, it seems. And it's too late to change votes. Besides... "steering public opinion." Sheesh.

See, you asked how I know Perseph is but a humble villager. I'd either have to be mafia, and thus know every other mafioso in the village, or a detective, having asked a question about P's innocence and have it answered.

Or, you could be lying.

One more night, and I'll know for sure....


There's tons of psych studies out there --look up Zimbardo-- that put people into odious roles to see what they do.

I'm sure Jupiter Jade would be reassured by this....
 
 
Lionheart
15:18 / 16.01.03
I'm very sure that Sax is mafia. If we don't kill him in this round then the mafia will outnumber the villagers and..well then it'll all be over quite badly. Now, while Grant does sound a bit suspicious it is only because he was wondering about the rules. i mean, I'm still not sure if the mayor is allowed to do that. But I'm very grateful for that deathbed letter because it, along with the private message that Qualyn sent me, points to Sax being mafia. If he doesn't go in this round then we're all doomed.

Remember. We NEED to kill one mafia this time around. Otherwise they'd outnumber us.
 
 
Sax
15:21 / 16.01.03
What exactly have I done to accrue suspicion of being mafia?

Anyone?

Seems to be if you just lie low, say nowt and then quietly bump people off in the night, you get on in this life.

And that sucks.
 
 
Sax
15:22 / 16.01.03
And I suspect that a detective (the remaining detective) would surely have asked a question about me by now, if I'm such a suspicious cove...
 
 
Sax
15:24 / 16.01.03
AND I reckon that the people who have already voted for me will do away with me in the night anyway. Hey ho.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
15:31 / 16.01.03
Blimey, this is exciting! Except that whether we kill a mafioso tonight or not, either myself or K9 are likely to cark it in the revenge hit, simply because we are certified trustworthy and thus can't be mafia playing headgames with the innocent villagers.

Or then again the mafia might choose to off one of the others who has come too close to guessing their identity - I suppose it all depends on how on the money any of us are. Or they might try to off someone other than me and BioK9 in hopes of getting a detective ...

Now, let me think out loud a la Don grant about this:

There are 8 people left:

2 confimed villagers - me and BioK9
3 mafiosi - my votes are for Sax (maybe) and grant and ... hmm
3 villagers - all the rest

So the unknown quantities as far as I'm concerned have boiled down to only four villagers:

Lionheart
Persephone
Duncan
Paleface

Let's make some cases for our third(?) mafioso.

Lionheart:
Why is grant so sure that Lionheart isn't mafia? Unless he's mafia himself and so is Lionheart, and they are protecting each other ... which would also explain why Lionheart voted against Sax, thus making it (so far) a neck and neck race to death! (drumroll please) I reckon old Lionheart is pretty suss.

Persephone:
She *could* be playing an incredibly deep game, a Mafiosa risking sticking her head about the parapet and being suspected as Mafia in order to mislead us ... but then again she wants to kill grant and that is a good thing. Unless she, Sax and grant are the three and realise that in order to avoid being killed themselves (as we are closing in on them) they might have to sacrifice each other. Turning on their own like rats in a cage ... er, sorry, where was I? Yes, I think Persephone it either a brilliant actress or genuinely a villager.

Duncan:
Who? What? Where? Is he still even playing? The last thing he said was to accuse dear departed Qalyn of being mafia, and that was on, like page 4. They do say it's always the quiet ones (grant), and if I were mafia I'd lie lower than a snake's belly (that's another point in favour of Persephone, I think - she's been outspoken from the start). I think Duncan *might* be a "sleeper" mafioso. But would grant then, in passing, cast suspicion on him?

Paleface:
I think he's a good mafia prospect,actually. He accused Persephone, who I'm pretty sure isn't mafia, and seemed strangely unwilling to accept the Truth from dead Qalyn's lips - only a mafioso could have any motive to sow distrust and suspicion among the villagers.

Do you know, in the course of this I've managede to pretty much convince myself that Sax is (as he implies) the second detective and that the three Mafia are grant, Lionheart and Paleface.

It's such a gamble though ... Sax and Persephone could both be Mafia protecting each other ... (Sax claims to know that Persephone is innocent, Persephone subsequently votes for grant). The point is, we HAVE to trust someone (apart from me and K9 cos I'm not a detective and I don't think he is either) ... and I think the only way to do that is to kill either Sax or grant (yes all right, I know this is pretty much a fait accompli). Either way we will know which way the wind is blowing and who not to trust. I think that one of them is *definitely* mafia and possibly both are, but because there's just a possibility that Sax is a detective,

I accuse grant.

If grant is innocent, Sax is Mafia and MUST be killed tomorrow, even and especially if k9 or myself die tonight. We will be casting our votes in spirit.

Whisky brane hurt. Off to lie down.
 
 
grant
15:47 / 16.01.03
One question a night, Sax.

And I've wasted one on a dead man already.

---

And Whisky - I don't think, at this point in the game, there will *be* a tomorrow in which to vote against Sax.

Think: if you kill an innocent man now, the mafia kill an innocent tonight.

That's five left - three of which will be mafia. Able to vote like villagers.
 
 
Sax
15:52 / 16.01.03
So you reckon you're a detective, do you grant?
 
 
Whisky Priestess
15:56 / 16.01.03
OK, Sax and grant are both claiming to be detectives.

Let them prove it!

Sax - who have you asked about and what were the answers?

grant - who have you asked about and what were the answers?

You've got to defend yourselves, guys - the voting is close and could swing either way. There's no point trying to hide if you are a Detective now - the Village needs someone it can trust, and if your opposite number (i.e. Sax or grant) is killed and found to be Mafia, they know pretty certainly that they can trust the survivor.

Or maybe just kill him next to be on the safe side.
 
 
grant
16:29 / 16.01.03
Mine is public record - see above.

Qalyn was right. The only way for the villagers to win (at least in this scenario) is for detectives to come forward and announce their findings. The knowledge *has* to be authentic and it *has* to be public, otherwise there's no point to being a detective.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
17:03 / 16.01.03
Sorry grant, don't want to have to trawl through all posts again with my hurty eyes - can you just tell us again quickly? I know it's public record but it's best to state it clearly like an accusation has to be.

whatever happened to my grammar?
 
 
grant
17:11 / 16.01.03
There are layers of obfuscation there that make my head hurt.

There are also three mafia at large. I know I'm not one, Lionheart's not one, K9's not one and Whisky's not one. And (unfortunately) Qalyn's not one.

 
 
The Falcon
17:33 / 16.01.03
I'm playing a very shallow game.

J'accuse Sax.
 
 
Persephone
17:42 / 16.01.03
Tell me, grant... as long as you're being authentic and public...

Which night did you ask about Lionheart, and which night did you ask about Qalyn?

In the first round of voting, you accused me. Why didn't you ask about me then?
 
 
bio k9
18:46 / 16.01.03
Bye bye Grant.
 
 
grant
19:11 / 16.01.03
Qalyn I found out about the night he died.

I asked about Lionheart partially at random. (Math, as you can tell from my meanderings, isn't my strong suit.) And also, because if you'd been lynched, we'd know the truth. I had to accuse blindly the first round, and it made more sense to ask about one and accuse the other.
 
 
grant
19:26 / 16.01.03
Geez - I just tallied the votes. Hand a villager a pistol, and you'll need to buy hir new shoes....

Paleface, if you vote against me, I'm dubbing you mafia. You must vote Sax.
 
 
Persephone
19:29 / 16.01.03
I asked about Lionheart partially at random.... And also, because if you'd been lynched, we'd know the truth. I had to accuse blindly the first round, and it made more sense to ask about one and accuse the other.

*snort*

That's not how it works, grant. The first day, the village lynched Tez. The detectives ask their questions after the lynching. There's no "if I'd been lynched" about it.

From what I can tell, Sax asked about me the first night and about Qalyn the second night, before the mafia took Qalyn out. Qalyn asked about bio K9 the first night and Whiskey Priestess the second night, probably because she was involved in lynching Jade at the last minute.

Those make sense to me. Bio K9 and I were making the most noise, we should have aroused the most curiosity...

So you're either a shit detective or a mafioso.
 
 
The Strobe
19:36 / 16.01.03
The more I read it, going back, and forth, and back, and forth, and it really is driving me absolutely fucking nuts (which I believe is the intention), it comes down to grant or Sax. That's before I looked at who everybody's voting for. And reading even closer (as a result of which I'm entirely paranoid), grant's excuses don't hold up. It just doesn't tally; Persephone and Whiskey Priestess have both pretty much summed this up.

Difficult, then. But I'm going to send the mob in grant's direction.
 
 
grant
19:37 / 16.01.03
Bang.

There goes the village's foot.
 
 
The Strobe
19:49 / 16.01.03
Give it a rest, grant.

The other reason I've suspected you a while and finally bothered to do something about it is all the fucking wisecracks. We're trying to ascertain who's good, who's bad, and all you do is crack fucking jokes.

Not for much longer.
 
 
bio k9
19:50 / 16.01.03
I'm selling Foot Pudding if you want some. You know, like a last meal.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
20:23 / 16.01.03
Sax - accused Grant
Grant - Accused Sax
Lionheart - accused Sax
Persephone - accused Grant
Whisky P - accused Grant
Duncan - accused Sax
bio K9 - accused Grant
Paleface - accused Grant

"you'd better have gotten it right this time, fools, " mutters Mayor Todd as he piled kindling around the grant's feet. Villager Sax lights the bonfire with a big smile.

"See you in hell, Grant," says Sax "I mean, I'll see you in hell from heaven. Where I'll go when I die. Which won't be for awhile. No sir."

Grant burns to his death, proclaiming his innocence the entire time. Well, the entire time until his vocal cords were melted by the scorching fire.

A sober mob walks up the street to Grant's house. In a by this time well-rehearsed drill, they ransack the place for evidence.

"why can't we just ransack everyone's place BEFORE we kill them, " asks good-hearted BioK9, and only receives dirty looks in return.

"That sounds like Mafia talk to me, " says Duncan.
"Dude, you like totally missed it," says Persephone, her SoCal accent slipping out. "Qalyn revealed BioK wasn't in the mafia, and now I'm like SO sorry for insisting he was."

The ransacking continues past dusk, yielding few clues, until with a cry of discovery, Lionheart pulls an photo out from underneath Grant's pillow. Though the photo is crinkled and drool-stained, its message is quite clear:

Its an 8x10 glossy of a young Meyer Lansky, famed gangster, autographed in his hand (which suspiciously resembles the computer font Monotype Corsiva).

"Clearly, this is proof that Grant was indeed a member of the Mafia," says Mayor Todd. "Now if we can only get the rest - before it's too late."

*********
MAFIA and DETECTIVE, PM me pls.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
20:34 / 16.01.03
The next vote will begin at 19:00 Barbetime tomorrow, January 17th, and continue until a decision has been reached.
 
 
Persephone
01:47 / 17.01.03
Listen, I'm going to be at a client meeting tomorrow morning. So I'm going to write all this out now.

If I've figured this out right, the two remaining mafiosi are now playing for a draw. They can't win, they can only tie this game. Only the villagers can win this game as it stands now. And the way to win is to play like villagers, not like mafiosi. That means by trusting what's clear & in the light and not falling prey to confusion.

Right now it's looking pretty clearly bad for Lionheart and Duncan, who both voted against Sax. If we apply Occam's Razor, then we pretty much have our mafiosi right there.

In my mind, there are just two other far-fetched possibilities. One is that Sax could be playing a very, very deep game; and if he is, I tip my hat to his brilliance. I don't happen to think that this is the case, for the simple reason that no other detective has come forward. Any true detective worth his salt would have intervened in the last round.

The other is--forgive me--Paleface as a sleeper agent. I also don't think this is the case, because the success of this plan relies completely on Duncan being the stupidest villager on the planet.

I don't have any doubt about Lionheart, by the way. Qalyn was playing a game of trust, not mistrust. He only knew for certain about bio K9 and Whiskey Priestess. He would not have cast suspicion on someone he wasn't sure about. That wasn't his game. So I'm as certain as I can be that he did not send Lionheart that silly message.

This is what I'm going to do tomorrow:

1) If Sax gets a confirmed Mafia identity, I am going to vote to kill that person. This is whether or not Sax himself is killed.

2) If Sax gets a confirmed villager identity, I am going to vote to kill Lionheart.
 
 
bio k9
10:04 / 17.01.03
Unless they kill you tonight...
 
 
Sax
11:34 / 17.01.03
Ooookay. I guess this is my last day on earth. I'm saying my goodbyes, because I reckon the mafia are going to do me in tonight.

Question is, who are they?

Grant we now know. Going on the basis of who accused me first of all, there's Lionheart and, Duncan. Now it would seem that both of these would be mafia - other grant accusers are Persephone, who's a villager (or a detective) and Whisky P (ditto). Oh, and Paleface...

But hang on, Paleface is mafia. Deffo. So there was some nice little gameplay going on between the baddies there, folks.

Your next move is simple: get rid of Paleface. That leaves either Duncan or Lionheart as Mafia. I fear I won't be around to help you after this.
 
  

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