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Bear
13:14 / 18.11.04
big marketing push, been focus grouped to buggery

Which marketing push? Which focus groups? To be honest the people who hate Girls Allowed seem to know much more about them than I do, I didn't know they toured school until this thread kicked off.

They don't bother me in the slightest and no I'm not their biggest fan I just don't mind some of the songs they make, they make me smile, smiling is good - I doubt I would ever go to a gig but there are lots of bands that I quite like that I wouldn't go to see live.

I think maybe the issue is how seriously you take music, I know a lot of people believe that the music they listen to defines them as a person. I don't see things that way....

Anyway don't forget to watch Children in Need tomorrow, I believe they are featured quite a bit.

Wogan~
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:03 / 18.11.04
Slightly returning to an ealier point raised...
Standing in a shop earlier, a Kylie song came on - 'come into my world' I believe. I was thinking how much I like the song, definitely a good quality pop record, one I was happy to hear. Thinking about it I realised one of the reasons I like it so much is the happy associations with the wonderful Michel Gondry directed video (the one with various Kylie's completing the same stroll around a street). Whilst I definitely like the song, I would have to say that the video bolsters my fondness for it, that it's indelibly linked to my associations to the track.
I say this partly as a development of Flybs statement
in the end, it really is how much we like how the music sounds that matters. - a statement I do agree with. However I think it's very difficult to seperate the visual aspect of some pop songs from the sound. The modern pop song is designed as a complete package, the video is often AS important as the sound itself. Let's be honest, most kids watch MTV as much as they listen to Radio 1 and as such their buying habits are likely to be influenced accordingly. Fatboy Slimp's 'Praise You' for example was enormously successful, and a good part of it's success must accordingly go to Spike Jonze's funny, original video. Indeed the track itself often sounded flatter and less triumphant without the ludicrous but joyous breakdancing of the vid.
Therefore: I agree wholeheartedly that if one likes a song, at the end of the day, that is one's absolute perogative. But I also think sometimes it's difficult to seperate a GA song (for example) from it's corresponding video, and that's precisely how the promoters want it. Hence a video's quality often affects the listener's judgement of the song, often favourably, sometimes negatively.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
14:31 / 18.11.04
And again Haus, you miss the point: It's not the fact that GA are signed to a corporate entity that bothers me. It's their association with the celeb worship/idiot bo'selecta (ugh) tidal wave of the past few years, which I do not enjoy.

And it does affect my life: I'd love to listen to some good radio, but since the death of John Peel, installation of Zane Lowe (gah) and the dearth of pop I like, there just isn't any that agrees with me.

Why do I mention this? I mention this to show poor misguided flyboy that his typical "You're either with us or against us*" attitude to girls aloud (ie. either you're part of the shiny new pop revolution or you're a boring dadrock tosser! yeah!) is woefully wrong, and there are many other reasons why someone might dislike Girls Aloud.

Hell, that isn't even my main reason for disliking them - that being that I think they sound like a load of screechy crap compaired to the pop I like - stuff like Prince, 1980s Jacko and Madonna and that new Destiny's child one with the filthy synth hit. There's a reason for that, and that's because I prefer electro.



*GET OVER THE INVISIBLES! RAAAH!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:40 / 18.11.04
It's their association with the celeb worship/idiot bo'selecta (ugh) tidal wave of the past few years, which I do not enjoy.

I believe I mentioned the Strand and the Picture Post, publications of my "middle youth", which showed much the same fixations. Celebrity culture has always been around...

So, I believe you may have missed my point. And further misunderstood the word corporate. Corporate, for future reference, does not mean "celeb worship/idiot bo'selecta (ugh) tidal wave". Honestly, I'm not sure what that *does* mean. "Corporate" means:

Of or relating to a large company or group

This is a fairly simple point, and one you seem to be having some trouble with. When you say "Girls Aloud are corporate", you do not mean "Girls Aloud are corporate". You mean "I do not like Girls Aloud". We already *know* that. Now, since Girls Aloud are not responsible for the apppointment of Zane Lowe, which was a corporate decision, the large company or group being the BBC, I think you're having some problems teasing out these distinctions.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
14:47 / 18.11.04
And I know you have no problems teasing one out. Ahem.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
14:53 / 18.11.04
Anyway I'd suggest that the Girls Aloud machine (PR, makeup, marketing, the staff of the TV show that concieved them, dance and voice coaches, songwriting teams, production teams, people who make the tie-in dolls and the tie in napkins and the calenders and the licenced fucking lollypops or whatever, not to mention the girls in the group proper) is a pretty large group in itself.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:01 / 18.11.04
"Ahem" in its Quecha usage of "once again I have not a clue either what other people are saying or indeed what I am saying. What a difficuly situation. I'd better maintain the honour of the Dudleys by shitting myself explosively".

I had no idea you spoke Quecha, Duds. What you don't appear to speak is English. Corporate means:

of our relating to a large company or group

What you are describing is more precisely a team, one drawn from a number of different companies or groups. What you are saying, therefore, is "I do not like Girls Aloud. They are part of a team." But is it the partliness of the team that you dislike? So, for example, do you dislike Destiny's Child because they are part of a team? How about David Beckham?

On videos - yeah, I think I mentioned this earlier - that you can see a GA video as more integral to the musical experience of Girls Aloud, because the expectation is that people will be more likely to experience the two together than the people who were too indie to have videos on the Chart Show. And, as such, you can say something like "I didn't like the video, which affects my enjoyment of the complete experience of the single". That probably doesn't invalidate somebody else saying "I just like the way it sounds"... Different ways to dislike, different ways to like.
 
 
haus of fraser
15:06 / 18.11.04
However haus i don't think anybody on this thread really seems to like this new single either.

Hands up who does?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
15:21 / 18.11.04
Le sigh.

Girls Aloud aren't part of a team. They're a product of a team - a constructed idea of a band assembled to provide an onus for a fairly loathsome chunk of saturday night event TV, a "band" which existed long before any members of it joined. Girls Aloud are a consumer product, like Coca Cola.

Fair enough - I like Coca Cola. It tastes nice, even if it rots my teeth and the company that makes it does some nasty things elsewhere.

Except Girls Aloud aren't Coke. Coke tastes nice. Girls Aloud are like Orangina or Peach Lilt: not only are they made by nasty people, but they taste horrible.

I can tolerate manufactured pop if it lets just one artist produce something great - Grandmaster Flash's The Message was put together without anything to do with Flash himself by those horrible nasty oiks The Sugar Hill Gang, but it still has that rad FX guitar part. The new DC single has some genuinely inspired production. To me, GA have none of this.

Hence, I was attempting to offer Flyboy and his redoubtable wingmen a reason why people might dislike the band beyond the horribly smug dadrock accusations that have been trolled through this thread. Of course, enter Haus dressed like Batman to do his usual smug thing, and this all gets prolonged. And about as fun as recieving a root canal.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:52 / 18.11.04
I was simply pointing out that your position was incoherent, Dudders. You may find an interest in reading posts other than your own "smug". That's your option.

Ultimately, you have said that you like some consumer products (Coke) but not others (Girls Aloud). So, your objection to them is not in fact that they are corporate, as being corporate is not, as it turns out, either an adequate decriptor or, if we assume you mean by it "a consumer product", which may be as close as we're going to get, a bad thing. It is that you do not like them. You do not mind that the Coca-Cola company does bad things, because you like their product. As such, the negative societal effects of patronising Starbucks, MacDonalds and Girls Aloud are not the issue - the issue is that you do not like their product, and it is from this that your disapproval comes. I believe I identified this correctly on the previous page, and I'm very glad that you've caught up. Well done!

(Incidentally, I think you may mean "opus" rather than "onus")

On dadrock - I think that some time before you shat yourself explosively over the thread, Flyboy himself said:

And as Jack points out, you keep repeatedly insisting that criticising a band like Girls Aloud doesn't automatically make you a boring old Q reader - fair enough

It seems that you have brilliantly refuted a proposition - that the only reason not to be a fan of Girls Aloud was if you were a boring old dadrocker - that nobody was advancing. What was being said was that it was unfair to accuse somebody of accusing you of being a dadrocker while simultaneously employing the arguments of dadrock. See Jack the Bodiless:

And I really don't mind or care that you don't like Girls Aloud. Asserting that it's common sense that eny fule nos that GA are wanky balls for kids, that manufactured pop is The Devil and that adults should be ashamed that they like it : that's the argument I was objecting to. Like it or not, that is the dadrocker argument, and it isn't part of a debate, it's a reactionary and often wilfully ignorant and unexamined position. Usually taken by Tories (ducks for cover).

Different and rather more complex proposition. And we have wasted half a page because you cannot be bothered to read what other people have written rather than what you would like them to have said in order to let you have a fight with them at your preferred level.

We've been through this.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
03:46 / 19.11.04
Yes... essentially Dudley seems to be saying that, although celeb-obsessive manufactured pop is evil and heinous and ring-a-ring-a-ringringWRONG, some of it's pretty good and nice to listen to, so it gets let off being THE DEVIL'S OWN FLATULENCE. Girls Aloud are not, to Dudley's shell-likes, a shinyshiny proposition, so they (as a product) are SCUM and must DIE.

Healthy argument! No hypocrisy evident in the slightest! You could have just said Not My Cup Of Tea, you know. Saved yourself a bit of Haus-your-father.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
10:35 / 19.11.04


What about the BEDDINGFIELD's ey?

They're pretty good, talented, write thier own songs and stuff. He's a bit of a tit, but she's pretty hot. In a kind of please stick this grenade up your brother while i chop off both your heads kind of way. You know, romance.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:16 / 19.11.04
The mentality to which Dudley is falling victim is in some ways understanable: the belief that every element of popular culture which you don't like is connected to every other element you don't like, a wave of negativity, an insidious movement that threatens everything pure and good in the world... I don't think we should judge Dudley too harshly on this, because although I think ideally this is a mindset we should all leave behind once we enter our twenties, it's a very hard one to shake off, as can be seen by the number of media commentators who fall into it. For conservatives, it's the "new hip hop, political correctness, latest fashion buzz", as a letter to X-Statix famously had it. For others, it's the idea of "dumbing down". In most cases buying into this mentality involves overlooking a number of important contradictions or making connections that are simply not there - eg, in Dudley's case it involves thinking that Girls Aloud are something to do with the comedy show Bo' Selecta...
 
 
The Falcon
23:22 / 19.11.04
'Zat where you got your (old) blog name then, eh?

God, those cols were a hoot.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
03:27 / 21.11.04
Good comeback. I am in awe. Fucking moron.
 
 
The Falcon
18:10 / 21.11.04
Hmmm?
 
 
Sax
10:42 / 22.11.04
Right now I'm listening to a rough copy of the new album given to me by Kimberley's dad.

Record of the fucking year. And no mistake.
 
 
Bear
10:55 / 22.11.04
I should have it when I go home tonight...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:34 / 22.11.04
Jack the Bodiless has gone blliiiinndd. Possibly from his own terrible jokes a few posts ago.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
15:24 / 22.11.04
[as if from nowhere] Loving this thread. [/and gone again]
 
 
The Falcon
16:53 / 22.11.04
I'm still wondering who the 'fucking moron' is.

High order dummy-spitting at any rate.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
20:11 / 22.11.04
Sorry, Mr F - completely misconstrued your post, thought you were taking the piss. And even if you had been, it was still a serious overreaction - blame it on a bad night at work... and apparently I've got a really filthy temper these days, which I should try to get a handle on.

Apologies again, man.
 
 
The Falcon
01:26 / 24.11.04
Cool.

Anyway, to return to the scheduled thread, I do think (and I don't want to impute, so correct me if I'm wrong) that Flybs is a little disingenuous about why he started this thread. There is a big element of fun to be had in being contrarian with other 'serious' music fans; I remember well sharing my own genre-shattering revelation that Take That (a not very good pop band) were better than Sleeper (a tedious affair) with pals in High School.

I also remember a magnificent foot-stamping tantrum caused by me and my pal winding the vocalist of his band up, simply by saying Sophie Ellis-Bextor's new single (can't remember which - 3rd or 4th one, not inc. Spiller) was, to some extent, a 'pop lodestone'.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
09:24 / 24.11.04
I dunno. I was into Girls Aloud at the beginning, man. You know, in those pokey little LWT venues, when the following wasn't so trend lead.

They sold out big time, IMHO. I liked them bac n da day, seen? Grass roots and shit. Now everyone likes 'em, but they sacrificed their sound for The Man.

-Disillusioned, of Tunbridge Welles
 
 
Haus of Mystery
09:40 / 24.11.04
Listen, I come from near Tunbridge Wells, and not everyone is disillusioned or disgruntled there.

Oh no, they are. It's poo.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
11:29 / 24.11.04
The ones who aren't are Outraged.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:32 / 24.11.04
Flybs is a little disingenuous about why he started this thread

I've pretty much fessed up to being deliberatively provocative, though - all I've qualified that with is an explanation as to why I was feeling in the mood for that, and an insistence that my sentiments re: the quality of Girls Aloud's music are sinsurrr. Would I write it like that now, two years later? Probably not - deadpan is much more fun, for one thing...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:08 / 25.05.05
And now, at the end of May 2005, I am ashamed.

Ashamed that I didn't get round to buying What Will The Neighbours Say? before today. I am mentally rewriting my list of top albums of 2004.

It is genuinely amazing: full of moments that even I would not have expected. For instance, somehow in all the great things I'd read about this album, I didn't know that 'Hear We Go' started with the lines:

"Put your tongue in my ear, it's queer but kind of fun
We're the tomorrow generation, there's much to be done"


Indeed. Onwards!
 
 
Dxncxn
22:26 / 25.05.05
For me it falls just short of being a genuinely fantastic album, which is a real shame - the version of “I’ll Stand By You” is the main culprit, but I could do without “Deadlines & Diets” and “100 Different Ways” as well. “Graffiti My Soul”, on the other hand, is fucking great. “I need a walking, talking mannequin that simply folds away. And never questions anything I have to say” and so on. It’s been suggested to me that “Wake Me Up” sounds like Nine Inch Nails, and it’s nothing like as ridiculous as those sort of comparisons tend to be.

You may know this already, but one of the cd singles of “Love Machine” has a b-side called “Androgynous Girls” which is splendid also (as well as being further evidence for my ‘Girls Aloud lyrics=Suede lyrics’ theory).
 
 
Jackie Susann
04:09 / 27.05.05
This is what sucks about Australia!

(Not being able to buy the Girls Aloud album, I mean, although really there are a couple of things not so hot about it ((the country, not the album)).)
 
 
haus of fraser
10:21 / 27.05.05
This is what sucks about Australia!

Amazon, Limewire, Kazaa.....

%However there are those of us that would see it as a positive thing...%
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
23:32 / 07.06.05
Re: Love Machine

Eskimo? ESKIMO?!?!?!

Fucking hell.
 
 
Ganesh
01:20 / 21.06.05
So... as a casual consumer of Girls Aloud's singles (particularly Love Machine, which is occasionally played at Duckie, and is great to dance to), should I venture an album purchase?

PS. I like sucking cock, although the hairy ones stick in my dentures.
 
 
Benny the Ball
03:40 / 21.06.05
Ganesh, buy it, Love Machine and Sounds of the Underground are just the begining. Graffiti My Soul is my particular favourite ("Spike Heels and skin tight jeans, I've got a fist full of love that's coming your way baby") and Wake Me Up is great.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:09 / 21.06.05
Yes, do get the album, there's very little filler on there at all, and a surprising amount of strangeness ('Big Brother' seems to me to be one of the few actual examples of popular culture embracing the idea of constant surveillance as sexual fetish, as predicted by one Grant Morrison). There are plenty of tracks that could have been singles but weren't - most obviously 'Graffiti My Soul' but also 'Here We Go' - and there's even at least one good ballad ('Here Me Out').

One of my favourite moments is the handclaps on 'Real Life', which appear to conduct a dialogue with the vocals, thus:

"I was thinking of life without you
*CLAP CLAP*
Damn right, I'll see it through
And I was thinking of life without me
*CLAP CLAP*
I know I know, it's just insanity..."
 
  

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