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Bear
12:20 / 12.11.04
Aye I wasn't trying to compare them musically, it just seemed you were down on them because kids liked them and was curious if that was one of the deciding factors in your hatred apart from their looks obviously.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
12:22 / 12.11.04
Some good pop archetypes: The KLF, early Micheal Jackson, early Madonna, Salt and Peppa...

Let's face it, GA aren't ever going to do something on the level of thrilla, stand by the jamms, borderline or push it, are they? They're Atomic Kitten with a few spare wheels... dull as ditchwater, man.

Also Flyboy: you'll crusade against racisim in music (quite rightly, too) so why don't you have a problem with a band that employs someone who twatted a black law student while calling her a jiggaboo?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:28 / 12.11.04

Flyboy you started this thread with the hope of starting an arguement....
Go on try and deny it.

My mindset at the time was more like this: "I like this song. I would like to discuss it with people on Barbelith. However, I know that some people's reaction will be the standard outrage, 'this is not real music', etc. Therefore I will pre-empt that outrage by revelling in it." This was combined with the fact that I do genuinely find that acts like Girls Aloud can be useful in illuminating some people's preconceived ideas, to put it politely.

But the only people getting annoyed are yourself and the other chumps that gobble up the saccharin.

Demonstrably untrue if you have read the thread. But thank you for giving another example of the "pop music = sweets" analogy that I always find fascinating in its puritanical overtones - you must not consume the sweet pop music without first listening to a healthy portion of ear-brocolli, or else your ears will rot off!

the marketing for the band is a kids/ teenage demographic- go to Sony/ BMG and ask, they'll tell you!

I could go and ask, but why would I care? How does it affect my enjoyment or lack of enjoyment of the music? Moreover, even if I cared either way, why would the fact that this music was aimed at young people be in any way a bad thing? Why this anti-youth pathology?

why pretend they're a magical saviour of music when clearly they're not?

Objectively speaking, nobody is ever the "magical saviour of music" and nor need they be. However, it is the nature of music fandom that music lovers get carried away with the music they love and want to praise it to the rafters, and I think it's churlish to object to that - even when I disagree with people's taste, I try not to belittle their passion. And I certainly think - read this carefully this time - that one always undermines one's argument by refusing to accept that the person you're disagreeing with actually likes what they say they like. I am not pretending, and I would not do you the discourtesy of suggesting that you like Girls Aloud really and just can't admit it, so please extent the same courtesy to myself and others.

Come on isn't that the beauty of pop? its disposable

I think the disposability angle has been overplayed of late, as a reaction to the idea that the only good music is that which endures. Truth be told, we have no idea which music is going to endure either in an individual's consciousness or in the general culture... Pop music can occur in the form of a song that you obsess about for one month and then forget forever, or a song that you cherish and dig out again and play for the rest of your life. A limited edition white vinyl of two bearded men destroying a grand piano, or a number 1 single by a shiny girl/boy band - either could fall into either category.

All that being said, maybe I'm wasting my time here, Copey, because you then say:

Its girls aloud not proust fer crying out loud Jack!

If you don't have any interest in having a vaguely intelligent discussion, could I ask you not to participate in this thread? Thanks!
 
 
haus of fraser
12:34 / 12.11.04
You still didn't say whether you think the new record is shit or not?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:41 / 12.11.04
Copey, I've not heard 'I'll Stand By You' yet: I'm not wildly optimistic as their ballads tend to be markedly inferior to their other material. I'm still keen to hear the new album, though.

Let's face it

Sorry, that's not going to work. See above: the people who don't share the same taste/opinions as you genuinely don't share the same taste/opinions as you, Dudely. They are not just sleeping and in need of waking up.

Also Flyboy: you'll crusade against racisim in music (quite rightly, too) so why don't you have a problem with a band that employs someone who twatted a black law student while calling her a jiggaboo?

If you're referring to the Cheryl Tweedy assault case, I assume you're aware that she was cleared of the additional charges of racial abuse/motivation, largely on account of the fact that the claims of racist abuse were not mentioned in Mrs Amogbokpa's original statement to police - in other words, it was the decision of the jury that Tweedy did not call anyone a "jiggaboo". Now, that being said, it's an ugly business and not a good reflection on Tweedy's character to put it mildly, and of course life would be a lot simpler if anyone involved in making art or entertainment I enjoy never did anything in their personal life that I consider immoral or unethical or downright nasty. But if I were to restrict the music I listen to to that made by people who never behaved in a way I found unpleasant, I'd find myself with a much smaller record collection...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:52 / 12.11.04
I get that they're part of a process tht is robbing music of it's charm.

I still want to explain this to me. How do Girls Aloud rob music of its charm, even if you don't like their music? Who forces you to listen to them? As far as I can tell, Girls Aloud or any other pop band who form through a televised competition are not going to steal airtime or magazine space that would otherwise be devoted to Wolf Eyes or whatever, they're going to 'steal' that airtime/space from other pop acts of a very similar nature. Unless you're positing a genuine qualitative difference between Girls Aloud and other artists who operate in the same genre but who you think are great (I'd be interested to know who...), and saying that GA have some kind of unfair advantage that those other pop acts don't have, then I'm afraid I don't see it.
 
 
haus of fraser
13:20 / 12.11.04
Flyboy- My starting comment was believe it or not - not a just remark about the shittyness of girls aloud- but noting a drop in their production values on their videos and a terrible choice for a new single- another example of diminishing returns as the pop idol/stars crown drifts further away- are they a Will or a Gareth? A Liberty x or a Hearsay? It looks like its going down the pan....

I never said girls aloud were evil Flyboy- i never commented on anything really other than the new single and how their time was up?

If you want to have a discussion then its good to hear an opposing viewpoint? non?

or maybe you don't like having noobs on the board? Why not ask Dudly, Macgyver or Gambit not to participate in your thread- or is it easier to try and get me to do a benfox and leave?

to quote haus in a thread a month or so ago

"People get called on their shit here. We are (largely) adults, and we are able to disagree with each other, even to the point of expressing our irritation."

Rather than stamp your feet and pull your hair out try reading the posts- Once you start a thread its in the public domain and I can choose to post on it if i like- I don't think my dismay at your bad taste in music is enough to have me removed from this or any other board...

so get used to it cos i've no intentions of going any time soon.....
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:29 / 12.11.04
Do you honestly sit and listen to this at home?
Your thread opener immediately posits you in a superior position against the invisible haters - you're trying to be different. Good for you. But I reserve my right to dislike this group and similar ones, because they are NO FUN. You find them fun. I see a void of money grabbing calculation. They depress me, and it's not because I think people should be listening to whingey guitar bands.
I regret telling Bearo not to buy the record - very presumptuous of me. But I do think the strained attack that Jack launched was as tired and repetetive as any other viewpoint being expressed - simply lumping me in with some group of indie-poopers who reckon pop music's not as good as 'real' music. I like my pop slightly more DIY and offbeat than GA.
I also honestly don't believe you like them as much as you like arguing about them.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:37 / 12.11.04
If you want to have a discussion then its good to hear an opposing viewpoint?

It took you eight posts before you demonstrated that you were capable of discussing them yourself, rather than just going "Girls Aloud are shit! Like poo! And they don't wash!" And what Fly actually said was

If you don't have any interest in having a vaguely intelligent discussion, could I ask you not to participate in this thread

not "get out of this thread because you disagree with me."

I don't think my dismay at your bad taste in music is enough to have me removed from this or any other board.

No, but your apparent inability to have a reasoned debate with somebody had me considering the wisdom of deleting all of page 5. See the stuff you quoted from Haus about people getting called on their shit? In this case, that's you - express your opinion, by all means, but at least make some tiny attempt to back it up while you're at it. Otherwise, don't be surprised when people decide that your presence in a thread is no longer desirable or worthwhile.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:45 / 12.11.04
If you want to have a discussion then its good to hear an opposing viewpoint? non? or maybe you don't like having noobs on the board etc...

Rather than stamp your feet and pull your hair out try reading the posts-

Oh dear. I've read your posts, Copey. Look, I wrote a reply, which you can stary engaging with any time you feel like it. There's also here, where I ask a question which you still haven't answered. I only asked you to participate in this thread, and I quote, "if you don't have any interest in having a vaguely intelligent discussion", after you had pulled the fairly familiar trick of saying "it's not proust!" [sic], in other words taking the "hey man, don't take it seriously, let's not strain our brains over this" line after your ideas were challenged. It's worth noting that you did the same thing here: having started a discussion about buying in Tesco, you chose not to respond to other people's opinions but instead to utter a bored "whatever".

I'm not asking you to leave Barbelith, but if you don't believe music is worth discussing intelligently, you might not want to post in the music forum. If it's just Girls Aloud you don't believe are worth discussing intelligently, you might not want to post in a thread about Girls Aloud.
 
 
haus of fraser
13:55 / 12.11.04
go on remove away?/????

really???

ha thats the funniest thing i heard since i've been posting here- i'm really not bothered either way- but re- read the last two pages again- there was only one post that maybe i regret and that was my initial reply to bearo- sorry dude! otherwise its been the most active conversation since the dreaded artrocker debate in music so go figure..

Nobody's getting personal just a little gentle ribbing?

My comment about the dirt was a comment on low production values and how awful it looks giving someone with ginger hair and fair skin a cheap fake tan- i never said girls aloud smell like poo?!?!

I made one comment about a link between getting juvinille and talking about a pop group whos target audience is 9-13year old kids come on! A fair point in my book?!!

come on spatula you're made of stronger stuff than that...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:04 / 12.11.04
See the thing is, if I can just respond to MacGyver's post in a cut-up fashion, when I read this:


Your thread opener immediately posits you in a superior position against the invisible haters - you're trying to be different. Good for you.

...and look at my initial post from almost two years ago, I feel this tiny twinge of guilt. I think: maybe I was being a bit too provocative, a bit too "dance of disrespect". But then I read this:

Do you honestly sit and listen to this at home?

And I want to disrespectfully dance all over again. Stop and think for a minute how condescending that sounds. If there is any value to discussing music on the internet, surely one of our basic starting points must be that when one of us says "I like listening to x", we believe each other, even if we can't imagine ourselves listening to x.

(I sit listening at home less than I walk/ride the bus/tube listening, but the point still stands.)

I like my pop slightly more DIY and offbeat than GA.

I would say there is pop that is arguably generally more DIY and offbeat than GA which I like more than I like them - Avenue D, say - but then again, 'offbeat' is a rather subjective term, isn't it? I maintain that lyrically 'Love Machine' is a very odd bunny, for better or for worse...

I also honestly don't believe you like them as much as you like arguing about them.

Well, I like discussing music a lot, y'know. So I'd say I like arguing about Girls Aloud more than I like listening to s'Sound Of The Underground', 'Life Got Cold' and 'The Show', but less than listening to 'No Good Advice', 'Jump' or 'Love Machine'. Honestly. Seriously. Take it in good faith.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:12 / 12.11.04
come on spatula you're made of stronger stuff than that

Hey, I used to think Barbelith was made of stronger stuff than idiots who find it impossible to raise their game beyond spammy picture posts and multiple exclamation marks, so I guess we're both disappointed to find that we've been labouring under a misapprehension.
 
 
_Boboss
14:14 / 12.11.04
GET. OVER. THE. INVISIBLES.

half-baked 'poppy pop pop' attichood lifted wholesale from mid-nineties melody maker?

HOLD. ON. TO. IT. AT. THE. COST. OF. ALL. YOUR. DIGNITY.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:22 / 12.11.04
What dignity? But seriously, back in the mid-90s when a handful of writers at MM were saying it was okay to like the Spice Girls (or whoever it was at the time), it seemed like a big deal, and in a very real sense it ought NOT to be a big deal now, especially post-Trash, Richard X, etc. But as I just said, every time I feel guilty or think I've been approaching this issue too combatively, somebody says something that makes me think the straw man is real, yo.
 
 
_Boboss
14:34 / 12.11.04
'What dignity ... , yo.'

point.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
15:36 / 12.11.04
OK Flybs my comment was condescending, but some of the assumptions slung my way were fairly condescending. I don't like being lumped with some snobby indie demographic, whilst being sneered at by someone who thinks that saying Girls Aloud are great is a 'dance of disrespect' - you and Cat Deeley can dance together.

But. I know where you and Jack are coming from, and I recognise that some of my earlier comments were knee-jerk and pointless. Put it down to having to negotiate this f@£$**ing broken finger...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:59 / 12.11.04
Nobody's getting personal just a little gentle ribbing?

It is _easier to criticise people than ideas_. Fact. Certainly, a lot easier than trying to discuss music in any terms other than "it's shit!" "It's good!" "It's shit!" "It's good!" "You're shit!"

A high turnover is not a sign of a good thread, especially if that turnover is made up entirely of this exchange:

a: They're shit!
b: What makes you say that?
a: That they're shit!
b: Actually, I think they're good.
a: You're just saying that to be difficult, aren't you?
b: For fuck's sake....
a: Ah-ha! Look, you're getting all angry! Look, everyone! He's getting all angry!

It actually makes me nostalgic for the playground, where on the whole the punctuation was better.

I don't think suggesting people be kicked off Barbelith simply for being cretinous is necessarily the way forward. Not bothering to engage with people who are, in your opinion, too cretinous for engagement to be worthwhile... that is another option, and one that treads the balance of getting into pointless scraps and allowing comments you feel to be idiotic to be propagated.

Now, copeys brick. There is no mechanism for throwing people off Barbelith *just for being stupid*. On the other hand, if you are not equipped to handle a discussion beyond the restatement of a single tenet, you're not likely to get or give much of value. I'm not quite sure of the mechanics of joining the board since it closed, but presumably somebody else proposed that you would add value to the board sufficient to persuade Tom to allow you in. Deliver. You've been watching and listening to music since, as far as I can tell, the late 80s at the earliest - surely you have developed some form of critical vocabulary in that period? Use it. If you have nothing further of use to add about Girls Aloud, get out of this thread and try to start a fight with Flyboy in the Conversation, instead, where it will not stink up a Music discussion.
 
 
haus of fraser
17:49 / 12.11.04
Ok ok,

I thought I'd conceded that i'd been rude- sorry Fly/ Bearo for coming across like a wanker. I took flyboys thread description as an invite to ruck- and in turn came across as a tosser. Haus you're words have been taken in and I will try not to post a 'its shit' type post again...

Lets crack on with conversation (as it will now be..) as although i said it in a dumb way- my point was the low production values on the new video and the fact that its such a poor song. I'm not suggesting that all pop is crap - yup the Likes of The neptunes, Richard x, Cathy Dennis et al have upped the value of pop and pop songs- holland and doziers for a new generation maybe... only time can tell.

Record sales- and one assumes album sales maybe haven't been great for GA (I may be wrong i stand to be corrected- but generally pop acts make a record label money from singles/ prs rather than LPs?)

The video looks cheap- not 'fun' cheap but 'cheap' cheap- the girls fake tan doesn't look trashy just badly applied and to the wrong person in terms of skin tone - A bad cover is often an early sign of desperation- and yup where its not nearly as cringe worthy as Gareths 'suspicious minds' (yes Bearo another charity job) its still pretty bad.

Bearo noted a review that says the new album is good? So maybe this single is a misrepresentation of whats to come? I dunno- for me it signified the begining of the end- as the distance between the TV show grew their public profile has shrunk- thus less expectation/ cheap video & bad cover version. I'm mostly entirely ignorant on their song writers they have been using- but have they fallen from 'a' listers to 'c' listers who can no longer afford the talents of said Mr x and ms Dennis?

Another principle problem with this sort of compilation of talent- is that they're not the 'talent', more faces fronting a product for a record label. Especially in a pop idol/ stars world where you're destined never to have a hit as big as your first- the initial hype is unbelievable.

Without a big hit you loose the ability to pay a good songwriter hard cash (its unlikely that they'll ever have a song as big as sound of the underground again- surely) your leaving an awful lot to luck/ chance/ the marketing guy- maybe this is a reason pop often has a short shelf life? Surely the pop idol stable is always destined to be ruled by diminishing returns.

Another reason being that kids grow older and the marketing demographic changes- when the ten year old that likes Girls aloud becomes the thirteen year old that likes death metal/ Bloc Party/ etc (delete as appropriate when the time comes) sales slump. In turn the cash flow tightens- its a familiar pattern- and the songs/ videos get poorer and then they're gone.

Where as the likes of Fly and Bearo maybe loyal fans- I'm sure they don't make up the majority of the fan base- this would be teenagers (again if wrong this is an assumption and I stand to be corrected). Whose tastes constantly change and whose loyalties are never as solid as boring adults like myself.

Flyboy you probably will be hearing 'sound of the underground' for years to come- it sold a lot of records and burnt into the brains of thousands of people. and yes much as I don't really like them it was an irritatingly catchy tune.

It looks like the begining of the end what will happen to em all?
Genuinly Fly i'd like to know if you agree with anything i say?
Post when you've heard the track / seen the video- just agree with me on the fake tan thing at least - bloody awful yes, no?
who will be the first to front kids tv as a presenter- and when do we get another bunch to build up and knock down?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
18:39 / 12.11.04
Haus, have you thought about marriage guidance counselling?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:37 / 12.11.04
I'm mostly entirely ignorant on their song writers they have been using- but have they fallen from 'a' listers to 'c' listers who can no longer afford the talents of said Mr x and ms Dennis?

All six singles so far from 'Sound Of The Underground' to 'Love Machine' have been produced (and with the exception of 'Jump', written) by Xenomania, who are currently the most sought-after at what it is they do. As I understand it, so is the majority of the new album. All those singles went top three, so for better or for worse, I don't quite know where you're getting this idea that they're on the way out, to be honest.

Am looking for the new video online now...
 
 
haus of fraser
21:19 / 12.11.04
c'mon fly she looks ropey?

-not the greatest still and music aside its a bit weird?
 
 
Bear
21:27 / 12.11.04
Yeah but she's still better looking than you ....

Go on download Love Machine and get drunk and dance!

* If I don't stick up for them I loose my membership *
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:57 / 12.11.04
On a first listen, 'I'll Stand By You' is an unremarkable reading of a great song, I'll give you that. I'm afraid I don't see the relevance of whether one of the band looks 'ropey' or not: pop stars being attractive is always nice, but hardly essential...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:25 / 13.11.04
Copey, everyone looks ropey sometimes (you've been angling for that haven't you?), do you say the same thing about Daniel Bedingfield, the guys from Westlife, Justin Timberlake, Ronan Keating? Slash? Chris Martin? Do you judge whether they're on the way out from their hair cut and fake tan in one video? If not then your point is mute and you should leave her alone.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:24 / 13.11.04
She's hardly ever in shot is she? It's something I've noticed. Do you think she get's paid less?
I think she's my favourite one, cos my friends girlfriend is the spit of her. Plus I can't tell the difference between the others..
 
 
haus of fraser
11:03 / 15.11.04
I'll try and take on two points raised by flyboy:
pop stars being attractive is always nice, but hardly essential...
and Anna:
Do you judge whether they're on the way out from their hair cut and fake tan in one video?

I don't want to turn this into a slagging match again- I know i was being obtuse on Friday, so i'll try to explain my thoughts as reasonably as possible.

I agree with you Fly that pop stars being attractive is nice but not essential. However the whole point of an act like girls aloud is surely a gang of pretty girls with nice voices fronting someone elses tunes. (in this case xenomania).

From the start their look is an important thing. There is no way on earth the likes of Michelle McMannus would have made it into the band- despite vocal talent and public support she won in pop idol. Don't forget the pop stars auditions start with scouts walking amongst the waiting talent and telling those that look right to stay and those that don't they can go home.

They are selling a product partly on their looks- so pointing out bad styling in promotional video my mind is just like pointing out a bad album cover- surely fair game?- they are employed partly because they look good- why else wouldn't the song writers front their own outfit? Maybe because the songwriters/producers/ label know 5 cute girls will sell more records.

Anna my initial point was that (something we all seem to agree on) the new song is pretty poor - as is the video, hinting at possible problems in the GA camp.

The reason that the styling is so bad is because their budgets have been cut (*I know the video budget is less than a third of other GA vids- Fact*). Thus less time and effort made making the girls look good- and a sign that maybe there's less money coming into the GA joint bank account.

When refering to GA bad styling is different from pointing out bad styling on say Slash, Chris Martin or even Daniel Beddingfield- that is because Slash, Chris Martin and Daniel Beddingfield have been employed as musicians and their song writing ability rather than whether they look nice in a frock and sing pretty. A music video is a promotional tool for the band- someone looking ropey is a sign that someone on the crew hasn't done there job whoever the artist, but is especially applicable to a band like girls aloud in what should be a 'beauty' video (the name for this type video as opposed to an effects video or a narrative video) . The fact that the musicians look good is an addition to their talent- as fly says nice but not essential... members of girls aloud looking less than great is however less understandable.

The album has had reasonable reviews- observer music monthly gave it 3 out of 5 so I could be wrong- it did however say that the best tracks were love machine and the show- which have already been singles- so whether there are any more singles left i don't know? It will be interesting to see what happens with this single..
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:34 / 15.11.04
Macguyver, dude - if you don't want to be lumped in with the indie snobs, maybe you'd better try not acting like one?

The reason I don't post much to the Music forum is largely due to the poor quality of engagement and discussion. I can get the low-level, charmless indie snob banter I find here anywhere else on the web, and everyone lese who does it thinks they're being all individual and 'passionate about music' too, when of course they sound like they've never had an original thought in their lives and, in fact, very much like a load of old men ("that's not real music - this is killing real music - try listening to some real music"). And I do mean 'old men' - crucially, this kind of divisive, reactionary, ultra-conservative and musically fundamentalist attitude seems almost entirely to come from men, from my experience.

I like Girl Aloud because they've presented me with lovely shiny danceable pop music. I don't give a toss where the music came from, who produced it and wrote it, who their svengali is, what they look like in the video (and I really don't give a toss about anyone who throws out casual misogyny like calling someone "the ugly ginger", Cope). No, "I'll Stand By You" is not a great cover - probably slightly better than Atomic Kitten's version would have been, but really just unremarkable. So? This thread isn't about the new single, and one iffy cover doesn't invalidate any of the arguments.

And basically Macguyver, Gumbit et al don't really want to engage with the argument. The point of the 'pub' analogy was that your level of engagement with the music forum and specifically this thread is roughly at high school level. It's boring, reductive in a really callow way and utterly pointless - and since that's all I know of you...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
12:06 / 15.11.04
Wow Jack, you come out smiling on a Monday.
 
 
_Boboss
12:17 / 15.11.04
'basically Macguyver, Gumbit [ha! genius! a new name!] et al don't really want to engage with the argument. '

i'm not clear what the arguments on offer are. i offered my opinion comparing this band with earlier ones from similar roots, and the thread has a pretty good difference of opinion on girls aloud but, that's more 'chat' than argument in the senate sense. there is NEVER discussion that goes deeper than pub chat on the music forum, none of us here are musicologists or full time cultural historians, just music fans, so to pretend that the level of debate will go beyond that of a music magazine - well, more hilarious nonsense really.

or is it the 'too immature/too much of an old-man argument (clever. consistent. well done.) with the usual last-goth-in-a-small-town/you didn't expect me to say THAT did you unwary q/mojo reader' argument, that flyboy started the thread with? that's been engaged with plenty.

girls aloud remind me of the gangs of stunnas rolled out by multinationals to represent them at trade fairs, conferences and the like. the product is pitched at a certain audience and is of a certain quality that it can be expected to be consumed in certain quantities. those quantities are likely to grow if you have five nice-ish looking girls smiling and handing out leaflets (or CDs). anyone can sing it, we know who'll buy it, these five'll do the job as good as any.

the pic of them smiling for the cameras with the kiddies is a good illustration of what concretely differentiates girls aloud from most of the bands i like to hear or look at - they don't spend time sat on their own writing lyrics and music, they tour around the country miming for children. five schools visited this week, a thousand guaranteed sales. new album out? a week in the studio, off to alton towers for a go on the rollercoaster with a mirror photographer. there's nothing intrinsically awful about this, of course, if you're ten, but it does tend to produce music (and mythos) rather devoid of the girls with attitude vibe that i want from my gaudy girlbands.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:22 / 15.11.04
A music video is a promotional tool for the band- someone looking ropey is a sign that someone on the crew hasn't done there job whoever the artist, but is especially applicable to a band like girls aloud in what should be a 'beauty' video

I have two words for you: Christina Aguilera.
Her videos are complete toss, she has an amazing voice, a fair amount of her material is written with her input, people are always commenting on how orange she is, how bad her hair is...

Chris Martin may be cute but he's weedy, he writes his own music but it's limp and boring. No one comments on his appearance. Ever. Despite his rabbit face in that beach video.

I'm not saying you're a misogynist because every time I do someone attacks me. I am saying you're buying the nonsense that people write about certain kinds of music and it's just as invalid as it would be if someone commented on Chris Martin's rabbit face.
 
 
_Boboss
13:32 / 15.11.04
'I have two words for you: Christina Aguilera.

excellent addition to the trishafication of barbelith chat. top.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
13:47 / 15.11.04
Good voice? She can hit a lot of notes, sure, but she generally sounds like she's recovering from a throat injury.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:08 / 15.11.04
I'm not saying you're a misogynist because every time I do someone attacks me

That and the slim chance that he might not actually be one.
 
 
_Boboss
14:20 / 15.11.04
or even 'every time i attack someone someone attacks me'. how unfair.
 
  

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