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BARBELITH: PERSONAL AND GLOBAL WORKINGS

 
  

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Badbh Catha
17:10 / 14.01.03
I think now however, there really are not the flaws in TRansducer that were mentioned before. As Hunterwolf pointed out, Who said negativity/war/conflict was its food supply?

People may have got that impression from some of your own posts:

Here

"One practise I would like to share is very simple but very similar to the nature of Transducer. It is a breathing exercise where you breathe in evil and negativity as black smoke and/or pus. On the exhale, breathe out white light. This exercise is"Sending and Taking". The Transducer is like a perpetual sender and taker."

"Also, I would like to add that Transducer has discriminating ablility. Evil or negative vibes are what s/he seeks out to ingest and transform."

(Particularly the word "ingest")

and here

"2. State the intention of the working. 'To charge the Peace sigil Transducer to quickly fulfill the function of transforming evil and negativity into goodness and light until this task is complete.' "
 
 
FinderWolf
17:13 / 14.01.03
>> . I think now however, there really are not the flaws in TRansducer that were mentioned before. As Hunterwolf pointed out, Who said negativity/war/conflict was its food supply? I thought mangoes and our collective & individual will/magickal energy were its supply.

Thanks for pointing this out, May -- I think the only limitation to Peace Mango is that it's hard to discern results. That and there will probably always be lots of war and conflict in the world. Perhaps if we try to focus on specific things in Peace Mango/Transducer workings (i.e. no war on Iraq in 2003), we could track its results better.

As for how we know it's Barbelith that gives us our results and not the Peace Mango, if you're working with both, I think the answer to that is obvious - Barbelith will be more about your spiritual development and will connect to topics and ideas prominent in The Invisibles or other spiritual/magickal disciplines, and Mango results will be about peaceful resolutions to violent conflicts in the world -- be they in your life or on a global scale.

Does that make sense?
 
 
cusm
18:36 / 14.01.03
First off, nice work exp!

As some immediate observations pointing my head at this again, Dagaz, Legba, and Ganesh immediately come to mind as appropriate vehicles or manifestations of Barbelith as you describe. It seems more of an enabler than a force of its own. So, the archetypes of crossroads, doorways, and initiation are appropriate.

This also might be why my gaze has been continually drawn towards the moon in recent months. I hadn't gotten much out of trying to contact Luna about what's the deal, maybe the draw is coming from just behind the moon, eh? Will see what meditation on this brings.
 
 
Papess
21:06 / 14.01.03
Transducer

THe issue about Transducer's fuel supply is the concern and I think just because it can "ingest" negativity, does not necessarily mean that the negativiy is it's fuel. Are wishes Gek's fuel? No. Transducer's action of "ingesting" is fuelled by our offerings of fruit and the magician's intent. I do not know why I had not thought of that before. I remember we specifically had an offering/sacrifice in the mango ritual for fallout purposes. (That is the fruit you offer)


Barbelith

Previous to Exp posting those instructions, I have spent alot of time thinking about BArbelith and trying to be wherever it is, I guess I want to see ze, I think it would help me to engage ze. NOw Exp, you also mentioned that just being a member here almost automatically creates this link with Barbelith. I have felt this too, but it seems so ambiguous, enigmatic, I am hard pressed to actually say what it is I have come into contact with. Honestly, I don't really know what I am dealing with and that is what is scary about this.

If Barbelith is to be used for learning, then Saraswati is a great goddess to work with.

Saraswati is also identified with thought and intellect. Not only is she speech in the form of coherent sound, she is that which underlies or makes speech possible, namely, intelligence and thought. This association is indicated in such epithets for her as Smrtisakti (the power of memory), Jnanasakti (the power of knowledge), Buddhisaktisvarupini (whose form is the power of intellect), Kalpanasakti (who is the power of forming ideas), and Pratibha (intelligence, or she who is intelligence) As thought and intellect, Saraswati is thus identified with the distinctive ability that distinguishes human beings as special, reasoning. She represents the peculiar human ability to think, which is precisely the ability that has permitted human beings to create and imagine their innumerable cultural products, from cooking pots to philosophic systems.

Saraswati's association with science, learning, and knowledge further reinforces her nature as the goddess of speech and thought. She is called, for example, Vedagarbha (the womb or source of the Vedas or knowledge), Sarvavidyasvarupini (whose form is all the sciences), Sarvasastravasini (who dwells in all books), Granthakarini (who causes books to be made), and many other such names. As mind, intellect, and thought, she inspires the arts and sciences. She is also the accumulated products of human thought. She is the sum of the human intellectual tradition as preserved in the sciences. As the great goddess who bears culture, or who embodies culture, she is sometimes associated with the Brahmans, whose special duty is to preserve culture. She is manifest and especially revered in schools and wherever education takes place.


INterestingly enough, She is called "the Womb of Knowledge" which, given the placenta analogy of Barbelith, might be very workable.

Of course, I have always held the belief that Barbelith was a melding of Barbello and Lilith.
 
 
Seth
22:47 / 14.01.03
If anyone's wondering why this thread seems a tad disjointed, it's due to hastily repaired threadrot. Hope my editing job isn't too intrusive.

May: The reason I chose to use Barbelith has nothing to do with the Transducer being fruit powered or bad-vibe powered. As I've said previously, it has everything to do with the vague terminology of exactly who defines *negative* and *positive* in any given situation, coupled with the fact that such a polarised model falls far short of a detailed representation of the context in which the working must be employed. I don't feel comfortable using it because of these concerns.

However, my decision to focus in other areas in no way prevents anyone from continuing to use the Transducer on whatever level they want. HunterWolf and Flame both seem to want the continued presence of the Mango in their lives (I hope they don't mind me speaking for them). I believe both were involved in the original working, too.
 
 
Papess
00:46 / 15.01.03
Glad to see it go exp. Perfect job. Thanks.

As I've said previously, it has everything to do with the vague terminology of exactly who defines *negative* and *positive* in any given situation, coupled with the fact that such a polarised model falls far short of a detailed representation of the context in which the working must be employed. I don't feel comfortable using it because of these concerns.

Very valid concern. How is this decided? Personally, I couldn't even begin to answer that. I do know that many deities manage to discern this somehow, so there has to be a certain intelligence that can weigh this that is available to Transducer. Is there some way to instill this intelligence, or have it guide Transducer?

You know, if there are problems, I want to work it out because I don't want to be using something that is flawed either.
 
 
mixmage
01:29 / 15.01.03
Ouch! May just said "I'll see your pantheon and raise you a goddess" lol. Thanks for that!

Exp. please feel free to include any of what I've Pm'd you as anecdotal evidence.
 
 
grant
15:10 / 15.01.03
So what's the first step -- awakening Barbelith? Evoking it?
 
 
cusm
15:24 / 15.01.03
Laying in bed last night, I began reaching my consciousness towards the dark side of the moon to contact Barbelith, and my wife, who I thought was nodding off, interrupted me, speaking up about how a close friend of ours called today when a friend of her mother's had comitted suicide and she needed a friendly voice to talk to. Relevant as a friend of my wife's had comitted suicide when she was in school, so its a sensitive topic and prodded her to much thinking about it.

Um, sucessful contact? I tried to do the dream thing, and only dreampt about a massive tidal wave coming in front of me and a brick wall behind me, that I kept trying to either surf or swim under, so as to not be crushed against the wall. I finally managed to surf it out and over the wall, though.
 
 
Papess
18:43 / 15.01.03
cusm, I don't know if that dream is Barbelith related or not, but it seems to be significant. Of what, I am not sure, however.

So what's the first step -- awakening Barbelith? Evoking it?

Does Barbelith need to be activated? I thought it already was.

I realize though, in my dreaming of Barbelith, I am constantly thinking of this board and it s hard for me to get past it. I just can't help but associate "Barbelith" with all the conversations and discussions here.

I suppose I really do have to read the Invisibles to get this, am I correct?
 
 
Seth
22:58 / 15.01.03
grant: As far as I'm concerned The Invisibles is what created Barbelith. The fact that the text was a hypersigil meant that it was in operation from this moment onwards.

May: I wouldn't worry about distinguishing a definite dividing line between the egregore and the message board. The latter can be seen as a manifestation of the former - you could almost see the message board (when it's at its best) as a lens through which the egregore becomes visible. Maybe it's worth looking for particularly unusual manifestations of Barbelith related phenomena... just stay open, I guess.

cusm: The dream could be related. The sea as symbol of the unknown or unconscious, the tidal wave being a hidden event starting out at sea, only becoing visible as it reaches land (conscious awareness?). The obstacle that one is not fully aware of (the wall behind you), the force of the wave being either destructive (dashing you against the wall) or constructive (providing the power necessary to overcome the obstacle). Well, that's one reading, anyway.

The suggested workings aren't the limit of what you can try. Use whatever techniques you happen to find most helpful. I just listed three that I thought would be simple for non-practioners. I'm going to do some shamanic journeywork later in the week - I may even do a I-Ching casting and post it up.

... and then have Illmatic mercilessly take the piss for my poor interpretation
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:16 / 16.01.03
In from the Head Shop...

I do know that many deities manage to discern this somehow, so there has to be a certain intelligence that can weigh this that is available to Transducer. Is there some way to instill this intelligence, or have it guide Transducer?

Hmm. This interests and concerns me, since it seems to posit that, although we cannot discern what, for the purposes of this thread, may as well be "good" and "evil" as positive and negative, we are able to discern beings of such subtlety that they *can*, and lift the OS from one of them to power Barbelith/the Transducer. I realise that this may not have quite the same flavour as it might in the H.S., but that's a very metaphysical ethic.

Now, poisonally, I think that a problem with the Transducer/Gek/Peace Mango may be that simultaneously we cannot map cause and effect so perfectly as to distinguish neatly what is positive and negative, even I would suggest on a micro scale and certainly probably not on a macro scale. As was suggested earlier in this thread, maybe a war in Iraq is a *good* thing. What, to quote, connects a good deed and a bad man? Or, for that matter, a good man and a bad deed? I'm thinking in particualr here of an incident I seem to recall in which somebody wanted to use Gek to do violence against another person on some fairly dodgy grounds, which they believed was a ositive action, positively motivated.

However, I'm not sure that moving responsibility for deciding what is right or wrong upstairs is necessarily a valid response either.

Which sort of ties into question the second. Can Barbelith (the entity rather than the board) be said to be a ding an sich, magically, speaking?

To draw a parallel. Barbelith the board is a set of individuals gathered together for disparate reasons and with disparate ends. every so often, however, somebody will make appeal to the Power of Grant. Either with "Grant wouldn't approve of this sort of thing, you know", or "I can't believe that a bulletin board dedicated to Grant Morrison could sanction opinions/behaviour like that" or, in a recent and novel twist "You wouldn't be interested in revolution or magick or reading if it weren't for the Invisibles, you thickies". Bit of a classic, that.

Point being, Barbelith-the-board, an entity that in many ways shares (and probably continues to evolve successfully by how well it adheres to this point) only a cognate name with Grant Morrison. Barbelith-the-entity is the product of a group working called the Invisibles, led by Grant Morrison, and I think there is a danger of assuming htat the process of enlightenment, self-annihilation and fusion described in the Invisibles was actually undergone either by the readers or the creator. If it was an initiatory or transformative working, it was a very hands-off one...

So, I guiess the question is probably how far Barbeltih the entity can be separated form Grant Morrison the creator, and to perceptions and creations of Grant Morrison in turn. I fear the appeal to higher entities, be that Morrison, the ethical deity of May's conception, or Judge John Deed. Sorry, I mean Dr. John Dee. Although at least we have the unparalleled opportunity to ask Dr. John Dee what he thinks about it all. I'm talking about ego here, I guess, and the dangerous gravity of emperor-worship...
 
 
illmatic
10:18 / 16.01.03
... and then have Illmatic mercilessly take the piss for my poor interpretation

I wouldn't do that ... Have been thinking about doing the same thing myself, actually...
 
 
rizla mission
15:56 / 16.01.03
Just thought I'd announce myself as paying attention, following exp's invitation to join in. Will do my best to contribute to whatever needs to be done.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:35 / 16.01.03
Last night I had some dreams about talking about THE INVISIBLES with friends, and they asked me if I had tried any of the magickal stuff in it. I lied that I hadn't, because these were friends who would think I was totally nuts if I told them about my magickal life - even if I told them about the stuff that WORKED! Which is an accurate reflection of my real life, since I only discuss my magickal stuff with very few friends who I know understand and they don't think it's utter bollocks. And with the good folks here on the board, of course.

Some other dreams which showed the manifestation of some things I wrote down on a list of 'things I want to sigilize for' but haven't gotten around to yet. And interestingly enough, this AM there seemed to be some more steps towards one of those goals. Also, other goals that I wrote about in a hypersigil took a few steps nearer to completion last night.

Still looking out for more direct manifestations of the actual red/green Barbelith satellite form..... I'll keep you posted. This is cool stuff!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:26 / 16.01.03
Sorry to join in so late- I've been really busy but am available for analysis inna Switchboard stylee.

Funnily enough, I've always wondered idly whether such a thing would be possible with PKD's "Valis", so I think this is a top idea.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
21:32 / 16.01.03
So, I guiess the question is probably how far Barbeltih the entity can be separated form Grant Morrison the creator, and to perceptions and creations of Grant Morrison in turn.

We could always go back to using the name "Nexus"...
 
 
Seth
23:37 / 16.01.03
I understand your concerns, Haus. However, I think that what we're dealing with here is something more slippery than placing the responsibility for defining right and wrong onto a higher power.

Magic is a weird fucking thing, not least because popular language isn't very well adapted to talk about it. You'll have noticed that I described Barbelith from a number of different angles, as though I were trying to describe the shape of an invisible object by wrapping it in clingfilm. Unfortunately a lot of these things only fully start to make sense when you experience them first hand (sorry if that sounds patronising to any non-practitioners). To draw on an example that everyone can relate to, *try to remember* all those dreams you have in which a close friend will appear as someone totally different, in a situation that seems unfamiliar at the same time as having a known geographical location. It's the merging of tacit knowledge with abstract symbols, the waking realisation that everything that seemed real was a construct, combined with the knowledge that the experience is a vital resource (in the same way as any waking experience). Now try to find the words that fit those concepts without having to skirt around the issue!

LOL: *Try to remember* is another Barbelith related phenomena from the Invisibles, something I reckon Morrison inserted as a post-hypnotic suggestion. Frequently over the last few weeks the phrase has flashed into my mind in reference to something important (always of a magical or personal nature).

Back to the point: I don't believe that Morrison can fully claim any kind of ownership for Barbelith. He seems to have accessed a complex of ideas that lies at the core of a huge number of esoteric schools, religions and myths, a schema that seems to hold intrinsic psychological value to humanity. This is illustrated in part by the Gypsy Lantern's observation of a link between Barbelith and Valis (provided to me via PM, confirmed by the good Chairman), May's insight into Saraswati, cusm's dark mutterings on Legba Dagaz and Ganesh, and my fumbled prattlings concerning Christ and the Lapis. The connection with Jung's process of individuation begins to show that we're talking about some kind of representation or manifestation of fundamental human principles, principles that somehow speak of the individual's growth towards their fully realised potential.

As such (like all good magickal experiences) we're referring to workings that are simultaneously internal and external, in part recognising that the two are exactly the same when viewed properly in context. The working is a means of helping to activate the healthy self-regulatory processes held within every individual, in the form of magickal rituals that hold Barbelith as a symbol and enabler of these processes. As a result, the working could be seen as not so much an appeal to a higher being, more as an appeal to an as-yet-unrealised self. Barbelith is a convenient cross-cultural access point for these concepts: all Morrison has really done is give it a new name.

So the first stage of this working is something that already has a vast precedent. It's the other stages of the working that will prove interesting, depending on how we choose to play them, as they involve some properly acausal phenomena: specifically, the introduction of this process into those who aren't directly connected with the working via magical methods.

I hope that's been helpfulish.
 
 
rizla mission
15:10 / 17.01.03
I'm all for making Barbelith (the entity/concept) central to the whole thing. It's a very simple, um, idea to get the hang of, a very stark image for magical workings, and a perfect metaphor (or actual tool) for the aims of this whole thing..

And just by using a concept created by Grant Morrison, or even asking him to join in, I don't see any suggestion by anyone of making him the boss man, making him central to the whole thing etc.
 
 
LVX23
22:14 / 17.01.03
Naked Flame wrote:
"there's no putting these things back in the box."

I think the point is that once you've created a servitor, especially one that replicates itself, it is very difficult to reign them back in (you can't put them back in the box they came out of). You hope they will stick to the program but as they grow in strength, they will also likely grow in self-awareness and may decide to reprogram themselves.

For this reason I think it is potentially very dangerous to create servitors that are self-replicating (ala the fruiting mango tree). Especially one that seems to be somewhat vague to many of the participants in this thread (e.g. "does it eat fruit or vibes?").

Re: Peace Mango...Characterize the beast completely. Do some workings to focus it's program, and then bind it as strongly as possible to prevent it from deviating from the path. Then we could think about how to direct it and amplify it's power.

I think for these reasons Barbelith is the more appropriate entity for global workings as it is pretty well defined and has been operational for some time now. I also suspect that it is pretty bound to it's program but, as noted, this is where we could benefit from GM's help.

(disclaimer: I am rel new to this Forum and somewhat uneducated on the workings of Peace Mango. Forgive any naive assumptions.)
 
 
Seth
10:45 / 18.01.03
I've asked GM for input. It may yet come, but we can't afford to wait on the off-chance. I can understand his desire to stay away from the board as much as I can understand that a lot of people here want to achieve a little distance.

A few bits and bobs of feedback from the exp camp:

I do a lot of subtle magic with customers. I work in a busy mortgage sales department, a call centre environment. During the course of a call I often find out more about an individual than their close friends or family are aware of, when you consider all those underwriting questions for Life and Income Protection policies. I know about their earnings and their sexual orientation, about their previous financial mistakes and their future plans.

I've made it my business to be myself and be friendly with everyone I speak to since the days I spent doing telephone customer service for a major energy supplier. I had some amazing conversations; one with a war veteran who had been tortured by the Japanese wardens (and their dogs) in a POW camp; one with the head of a refugee family living in England who had to leave considerable wealth for abject poverty; and one with a sorceror dying of AIDS related illness. You never know who you'll get on the phone, the random nature of the calls being perfectly suited to some kind of working. I always try to work some kind of blessing into the call.

When I first started selling mortgages I fired off a quick sigil, mainly for the purposes of getting the right people on the line to make a sale. However, a large part of that sigil resembled the depiction of Barbelith, and ever since I started this thread I've had a number of calls from people that have been synchronous to varying degrees:

1) I had a call from an NLP practitioner who works in therapy and stage hypnosis. It was only after pushing him that he revealed the exact field of therapy, after which he and I compared notes. It turns out that he had become interested in NLP through exactly the same books by Richard Bandler and John Grinder (books which I had strangely found in California second-hand stores only a few weeks earlier). I grilled him a bit more, leading him to send me an e-mail with information on certification courses. I'm now seriously considering re-training.

2) Another conversation involved speaking to a biologist doing research into evolution. Again, I would never have found out the specific field without getting a hunch and pushing for more information (most salespeople in the department just choose a generic employment category and type in the specific role in a free text field so as to not load the premiums due to job risk). I had a thoroughly interesting conversation about HSP90 (thanks for the info, ephemerat!) a developments in modern evolutionary science.

3) Last night I had arranged to call back a customer to do a quote. I hate callbacks, as the customer is never usually in, and the chances are if they weren't interested in taling at the time they won't be interested later in the week. When I called her she was extremely busy working two jobs (one as a media technician, one as a lecturer), at the same time as completing her PHD. Being a nosey little tyke I asked her what her PHD was on. Imagine my surprise when she responded that it was about Internet fandom! We had a lovely little chat. I introduced her to Barbelith, told her to check the Headshop for all the old threads on fanfic and slash, told her that this community is probably worth studying in its own right after giving her a brief history. Treat her nicely if she turns up!

This last one reminded me a little of the old Christian/Alchemical maxim, "The stone that has been rejected has become the Cornerstone," the idea that Christ/Lapis is to be found among what would usually be disregarded as rubbish. I nearly didn't call her because I thought it would be a waste of my time! Three conversions on linguistics and therapy, evolution and Internet fandom: three distinctly Barbelith conversations.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:08 / 20.01.03
So who else has had some Lith-related stories? I've had a lot of synchronicities coming up lately, which I attribute to both my goal to connect more with Barbelith and re-reading THE INVISIBLES. I also did my first graffiti on the streets of NY -- wrote "BARBELITH" in an upper east side subway station wall! Maybe I can make someone else think.......
 
 
Papess
20:25 / 20.01.03
I really don't know where to begin, everything just started to happen very quickly. Three very personal wishes of mine have got a green light, all in the same week. They are personal so I will not reveal them, but they are all rather connected and for one to happen, the next one can follow. If one isnt met, the other wishes are either superfulous or won't happen. That is about all I can say about that for now though.

Also in my personal work, I feel my attitude is changing very quickly in several ways. I would really like to thank Jack Fear for this post

Especially this...

Newsflash: people come to this board to fulfill all kinds of needs, and not all of them fit in with the agenda that you seem to assume we all share. We are large: we contain multitudes. We are larger than your conception of us. We grow and mutate and change in less time than it takes for you to compose one of your Big Brother-style diktats from the front. We will be what we will be, not what you want us to be.

Is that fucking ace, or what?

Expressionless, I can't thank you enough.

So much more has happened but it all happened so damn fast I could retain it all and properly articulate it. THerefore, as part of my personal development, I am going to work on my memory and recall and my ability to absorb information. This is an appropriate, Barbelith-type goal, right?

Something...something...something about knowledge and experience being the gate to creation. Taking the fractals of Da'ath and restructuring them each time you go into the abyss...

I am so rambling.

*mutters to herself*
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:21 / 21.01.03
all Morrison has really done is give it a new name.

I reckon this is an important point. In the cosmology of the Invisibles comic, Barbelith doesn't seem to be considered as a servitor type entity created by the Invisibles themselves, but more like a guiding 'midwife' entity more responsible for the Invisibles coming into being than vice versa. I would be surprised if Grant Morrison actually considers the Invisibles hypersigil reponsible for the creation of Barbelith, it seems more like 'Barbelith' is the name he chose to (or was led to) attribute to the universal midwife entity when it appeared in his comic/hypersigil.

I don't think we have to worry too much about awakening or setting operating parameters for Barbelith, as the concept of it already implies it's been around a lot longer than any of us (possibly from the very start, as it seems to work as an evolutionary midwife) and is possibly more concerned with awakening and setting operating parameters for us rather than the other way around. I tend to think of Barbelith as the entity working behind the scenes that inspired Grant Morrison to create the Invisibles hypersigil in the first place, inspired Tom to build this message board, inspired Exp to start this thread...
 
 
illmatic
11:01 / 21.01.03
Reference spotting, GL, you reminded me - Grant refers somewhere in the letters pages of The Invisbles to Peter Redgrove's marvellous The Black Goddess & The Sixth Sense , a wonderful book that looks at the forgotten and unconcious parts of ourselves that relate to nature - this unconcious aspect being the Black Goddess of the title.

In the final chapter of this book he writes about what he considers to the key part, forgotten, part of ourselves, the placenta - I think this fed into Grant's conception of Barbelith.

To quote:

The Placenta is like a grail; we sit down to the nine-months banquet in our mother's womb and it is the servitor of this banquet. It is our facing partner beyond the shrouding foetal membranes and our sibling. It responds with it's offices in that archaic place, in which we are created from basic life stuff through all the stages of evolution, and it infuses us with all the substances and elixirs required for these changes. We know it by womb-light in our synaesthesia of the skin in its globe of actively creative waters; and this synaesthesia is gently modulated by all the movements and changes of composition and the electrical fields and changes of our womb-liquor, transmitted by the complement of influences that act on our mother in her world...

We know the picture of that relationship, not merely from photos in biology books, but with the mythic conviction of contempoary fables of regeneration, as at the end of the film 2001:A Space Oddessy, where the star-foetus floats above the great placenta like surface of the globe. The Shaman's ladder or his tree, the rainbow bridge to heaven, Yggdrasil's trunk and the highway of the Gods are all likely images of our connection with that heavenly and never failing abundance. I believe that the magicial working tools of cord, wand, knife, cup and plate represent a language of prayer or askin for a renewal of womb-experience in that "virtual space" of the magic circle: the cord and wand are umbilicus; the knife is the blade that cuts us free but equaly heals and rejoins; the cup or chalice of wine is the fluid of birth tasted by all; and the plate is the round placenta which feeds us.

A never failing abundance - until at birth, that Brother or Sister dies in catacylsmic blood to give us life. It feeds us like the grail; it dies for us like Jesus on the cross. Perhaps the purpose of all our Masses and blood-feasts is to return us to that blood-threshold, the crossing, and re-activate it, so we can pass through it again in awareness and not in dreamless sleep, Then perhaps we can partake of Wisdom's living water and eat again the fruit of her Tree, whose trunk with the snake twining is imaged there, as is her fruitful crown. And in returning for renewal, as for resurrection, know that the guilt of that necessary murder is washed clean, because it was a willing self-sacrifice to obtain that later renewal as adult humans in full conciousness. We then become united with our other self, as if that womb-companion were a kind of guardian angel who became invisible when we were born.


I think this in turn, can feed into our conception of Barbelith - it gives Hir an additional biological dimension. Which, whoops, has a certain synchronistic resonance for me as yesterday I started a thread on Body Alchemy!

For anyone having sruggling with this one - "Well, what is it? Body memory? Cosmic evolutionary agent?!" I'd say, simply, both - and offer another beautiful quote from Redgrove - "The litany of the Goddess is being newly invented every second .. and is less that she desires worship like an angry parent than she rejoices in being imagined."
 
 
Papess
19:35 / 21.01.03
Thank you Illmatic, that was exceptionally helpful.
 
 
mixmage
02:53 / 22.01.03
I'm pretty sure that, in that interview with the ump up there, GM sez that his intention with this whole thing was to get people communicating. I think that criterion has been met.

>the grail? *bztt!* isn't that the "barbecard" that brought the total up to 23?... i just pulled key 17 the star...*bzzt!*

must lie down now.
 
 
Seth
16:44 / 28.01.03
Thanks everyone for your contributions. I've received a number of Private Messages concerning this thread, ranging from support for the working to anecdotes or observations of synchronous events. Keep them coming, and let me know if you'd like me to paraphrase anything you've written for inclusion in the thread. I can keep it anonymous if needs be.

The following bold text is a shamanic journey I undertook today (edited to remove the beginning and end of the experience, because they're not related and they're pretty private). Make of it what you will - it's rich with near-universal symbolism and world/self/god/cosmos models seen from all sorts of interesting angles. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, as I'm still processing the experience and don't want to jump the gun.

My intention is to have an experience of Barbelith. I get the impression of travelling a great distance at speeds that seem to make motion imperceptible, as though it is so fast that we are at our destination without a need to travel (it feels unlike teleportation, however). Thoughout this entire experience I am not aware of my shamanic body, as though it had been left behind in my place of power. Everywhere is darkness for some time, and I realise that my power animal and I have journeyed outside the universe. Everything is a shifting multicoloured blackness, formless and yet with distinct forms that are outside comprehension.

A sphere forms in the darkness. It is empty save for a living organism touching its inside surface like energy within a plasma globe, moving against the surface but without true motion. I realise that I am staring at a three dimensional representation of *reality* - a model of what can be understood about the cosmos. The energy within is the Axis Mundi, forming a central pillar or trunk, and its branches and roots reach out towards the outside surface. However, I realise that this is only a comprehensible model: a cross section that is appearing in such a way as to be easily understood.

My consious mind attempts to divide the sphere into three areas representative of the shamanic cosmology, but the world-model resists such a primitive attempt at understanding. I realise the resistance and refocus on the drum and my intention, letting the scene before me play out naturally. After a while of blackness the sphere reconstitutes itself, this time as a sphere within a sphere within a sphere. I recognise the representation of the cosmology that I had previously attempted to observe, formed differently to my expectations: hence the resistance. I had expected the sphere split into Upper, Middle and Lower portions: here it is represented by layers. My mind again interferes, seeking to label each sphere, to find out which represents Upper, Middle and Lower worlds. Again I meet with resistance, and it is only after checking myself that the insight is gained: they are all representative of the three cosmic zones, with no layer limited to simply describing one. Therefore each is the centre in its own fashion.

I am then drawn into the sphere, and it looms large before me. I move towards a square opening, which leads into a short, narrow shaft. I emerge inside, moving towards the centre at what must be colossal speeds. The inside of the sphere receeds rapidly, but as I look towards the centre I see nothing, just yawning blackness. I realise that the space inside is infinite, and that to continue this journey will mean falling forever towards the centre. Suddenly the world jolts (as though it were at the realisation of the implication behind the infinity), like there has been a flash of light/darkness, as though I have grasped an essential *truth.* My direction of movement has changed to the opposite of the inward, and by the time I have regained my senses I am already outside the sphere and moving away, only I am now aware of my shamanic body again.
 
 
Papess
15:17 / 30.01.03
Thanks Exp for sharing your journey with us.
 
 
Seth
22:34 / 02.02.03
By means of explanation: All previous contributions to this thread were originally provided by a fictionsuit called expressionless. This suit has now been dismantled. The reasons for this are, a) irrelevant to this thread, and b) private.

I am not expressionless. I have inherited his history on the board could be seen as an avatar of the same user (although the relationship is substantially more complex). Anyone requiring a theoretical basis for such a change will find it in the thread Fictionsuit: A User's Manual, with specific examples available in Grant Morrison's The Invisibles.

Please do not disrupt this thread if you require more information. A private message will suffice.

I aim to update this thread within the next few days. Your patience is appreciated.
 
 
Seth
21:41 / 04.02.03
An analysis of the above described shamanic journey. Quotations are taken from the outstanding Penguin Dictionary of Symbols, edited by Jean Chevalier and Alain Gheerbrant (in instances where individual sources are not listed). Do not make the mistake of thinking that I am well read: many of the quotes that appear here are taken from this text. To paraphrase Chesterton, I am exerting the reasonable right of the amateur to do what I can with the facts provided by experts. Please do not assume that I am making any pretense to wisdom or knowledge.

Each of the three successive models presented in the journey takes the form of a sphere:

"The notion of spheres and orbital motion... was an expression of perfection. If any being was conceived as perfect, it would be pictured symbolically as a sphere. It actualized an equal distance from its centre to any point on the surface of the sphere."

The sphere is a circle extended into three dimensions, its form implying its centre, depicted in the first section of the vision as the Axis Mundi, or World Tree.

"The circle symbolises the dynamic instrumentality of Heaven within the cosmos, its causality, exemplarity and providentiality. In this respect it is another of the symbols of the godhead brooding over his creation and originating, ruling and regulating its existence." Introduction au monde des symboles - G de Champeaux and Dom Sterckx

Moreover, the representation of this centre specifically takes the form of the World Tree (with roots and branches reaching out to its inside surface). The World Tree has specific importance in initiation rites worldwide, offering a point of transition between cosmic zones at which heavenly, infernal and earthly geography become linked.

"... the symbolism in general expresses itself in three connected and complementary things: 1. The 'sacred mountain' where heaven and earth meet, stands at the centre of the world; 2. Every temple or palace, and by etension every sacred town and royal residence, is assimilated to a 'sacred mountain' and thus becomes a centre; 3. The temple or sacred city, in turn, as the place through which the Axis Mundi passes, is held to be a point of junction between heaven, earth and hell." Mircea Eliade - Patterns in Comparative Religion

Of course, Eliade is referring to conceptions of magico-religious cosmology across a broad cultural spectrum, heaven and hell being convenient shorthand for Upper and Lower World respectively, rather than any specific reference to Judeo-Christian ideas.

The notion of this centre is often represented by the navel (for example, in Greek, Samaritan and some African mythology/imagery), reminding us of the image of Barbelith as placenta.

"Mystical food flows as strongly from the centre as does the biological food of the mother's blood."

From personal experience, the circle (with central axis) has been a dominant theme in shamanic journeys and dreams since my first tentative steps in the Otherworld. I have also found the World Tree to be a consolidation of ancestral forces, an understanding confirmed by shamanic sources (specifically Mircea Eliade's Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstacy). Interaction with ancestral spirits is integral to many accounts of initiation, and I plan to return to this theme in a subsequent post which interprets a related I-Ching casting.

It is important to note that the depiction of the World Tree was simultaneously animated by energy: the plasma globe allusion. The journey account is filled with archetypal imagery (the circle, sphere, entry through the gate-way in the sky, the World Tree), capable of operating as autonomous forces within the psyche. The energised tree points to something more than the normal activities of a powerful symbol: it at least suggests that the entire complex of ideas is capable of being directed and channelled (human contact on the external surface of the plasma globe), but could also be representative of a life, vitality and intelligence directing the Axis from within.

The circle, extrapolated to a sphere, is arguably the simplest map of reality, capable of standing equally for the self, the cosmos and the divine. The concentrism of the second stage of the journey furthers this by explicitly appearing as a model of the three cosmic zones ("Concentric circles represent states of being and the orders of creation. All of them comprise the universal manifestation of the sole and non-manifest Being." Introduction au monde des symboles - G de Champeaux and Dom Sterckx). However, the representation was particular in that there were no geographical or heirarchical distinctions between the zones - each could be representative of the centre according to context. This is a more satisying model for understanding the whole, as it overcomes the difficulty of ascribing differing worth or desirability to the various locales. Divine tripartition is well documented across many religions and beliefs. There have also been psychological models that have explored a trinitarian idea of the psyche (id, ego and superego, for example), although I am not qualified to measure their validity (perhaps someone better educated in this area could help). Jung has observed that "the circle is an archetypal image of the totality of the psyche."

The final stage of the journey involved a journey into the sphere from the outside, interestingly via a square portal: "... the passing of the square to the circular symbolises the the return of the created to the uncreated, of earth to heaven: the wholeness of fulfilment or the perfection of the completed cycle." Furthermore, the portal on the exterior of the sphere brings to mind the mythical archetype of the shaman or hero passing through the "strait gate" of a star in order to journey to other realms. Again, brings to mind the Axis Mundi or Centre of the World:

"The Chukchee hold that the 'hole in the sky' is the Pole Star, that three worlds are connected by similar 'holes,' and that it is through them that the shaman and the mythical heros communicate with the sky. And among the Altaians - as among the Chukchee - the road to the sky runs through the Pole Star... In his mystical journey the Yakut shaman, too, climbs a mountain with seven stories. Its summit is in the Pole Star, in the 'Navel of the Sky.'" Mircea Eliade - Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstacy

I will return to the symbolism of the Star in a later post that deals with synchronous Tarot readings supplied by more than one collaborator in this project. Note the recurring navel theme.

The direction of travel was towards the centre but without a fixed location, the centre being infinitely far away. The shape described is therefore impossible mathematically but symbolically satisfying: "God is a sphere whose centre is everywhere and circumference is nowhere" Pascal quoting Hermes Trismegistus. The progression towards individuation/enlightenment/realisation does not have an end. The realisation of the totality of the process was fleeting and could not be held within conscious thought, causing the explusion from the sphere and the end of the journey.

"This may be conceived as the point at which the collective or individual will intersects with the superhuman power that is capable of satisfying it, be it a desire for knowledge, love or action. Where this desire and that power intersect is the centre of the world."

To summarise, it seems as though *Barbelith* manifested itself in the journey using a combination of established imagery, representations that sparked associations with my Judeo-Christian and shamanic experience, as well as complex ideas that could only be interpreted upon later research. It appears to be an ancient distillation of ancestral wisdom, divine essence, cosmological material and initiatory schemas given intelligent form, a model of reality within reality, capable of teaching, restoring and transforming those that come into contact with it. Previous definitions used in this thread no longer seem sufficient to describe the magnitude of what is being explored.
 
 
Seth
14:07 / 07.02.03
The following is a I-Ching casting with the following intention:

Describe the nature of Barbelith

The result was hexagram 19 - Lin, with nines in the first and second place and six in the fourth place, transforming into 16 - Yu. In this analysis I have used Richard Wilhelm's translation (with the relevant lines copied in their entirety), combined with Steven Karcher's text where appropriate. The two translations offer differing emphases; the former has sometimes been criticised for a bias in favour of a psychological and philosophical (likely due to Wilhelm's Anglican upbringing); the latter has been observed to place too much emphasis on the operations of the spirits behind the Oracle. Both are informed by Jung's approach to psychotherapy. It is therefore hoped that the two will be complementary, compensating for each other.

I have taken the liberty of ignoring the non-relevant (non-transforming) lines in the first hexagram, and all the lines in the second. Opinions on interpreting the Oracle differ: I have chosen the most popular approach. This contrasts with Jung's view in the Introduction to Wilhelm's translation. You would be more than welcome to offer a commentary on the remaining lines if you feel they are relevant. However, they do not appear to hold apparent meaning when related to the intention of this casting.

This analysis is not intended to be exhaustive. There is plenty of material in both translations that I have not used. Other contributors are welcome to offer their own thoughts based on any translation.

NOTE TO MODERATORS: please assist me in fixing broken HTML tags should there be any. Transcribing Karcher's text involved faithful reproduction of bold and italics wherever possible. It has been difficult to keep track, thereby filling this post with many potential areas for mistakes.

WILHELM'S TRANSLATION IN FULL

19 Lin: Approach

Kun, the receptive, earth is over
Tui, the joyous, lake.

The Chinese word lin has a range of meanings that are not exhausted by any single word of another language. The ancient explanations in the Yi Jing give as its first meaning, "becoming great." What becomes great are the two strong lines growing into the hexagram from below; the light-giving power expands with them. The meaning is then further extended to include the concept of approach, especially the approach of what is strong and highly placed in relation to what is lower. Finally the meaning includes the attitude of condescension of a man in high position toward the people, and in general the setting to work on affairs. This hexagram is linked with the twelfth month (January-February), when after the winter solstice, the light power begins to ascend again.

The judgement

APPROACH has supreme success.
Perseverance furthers.
When the eighth month comes,
There will be misfortune.

The hexagram as a whole points to a time of joyous, hopeful progress. Spring is approaching. Joy and forbearance bring high and low nearer together. Success is certain. But we must work with determination and perseverance to make full use of the propitiousness of the time. And one thing more: spring doesn't last forever. In the eighth month the aspects are reversed. Then only two strong, light lines are left; these do not advance but are in retreat (see next hexagram). We must take heed of this change in good time. If we meet evil before it becomes reality - before it has even begun to stir - we can master it.

The image

The earth above the lake:
The image of APPROACH.
Thus the superior man is inexhaustible
In his will to teach,
And without limits
In his tolerance and protection of the people.

The earth borders on the lake from above. This symbolises the approach and condescension of the man of higher position to those beneath him. The two parts of the image indicate what his attitude toward these people will be. Just as the lake is inexhaustible in depth, so the sage is inexhaustible in his readiness to teach mankind, and just as the earth is boundlessly wide, sustaining and caring for all creatures on it, so the sage sustains and cares for all people and excludes no part of humanity.

The lines

Nine at the beginning means:
Joint approach.
Perseverance brings good fortune.

The good begins to prevail and to find response in influential circles. This in turn is an incentive to men of ability. It is well to join this upward trend, but we must not let ourselves be carried away by the current of the time; we must adhere perseveringly to what is right. This bring good fortune.

Nine in the second place means:
Joint approach.
Good fortune.
Everything furthers.

When the stimulus to approach comes from a high place, and when a man has the inner strength and consistency that need no admonition, good fortune will ensue. Nor need the future cause any concern. He is well aware that everything earthly is transitory, and that a descent follows on every rise, but need not be confused by this universal law of fate. Everything serves to further. Therefore he will travel the paths of life swiftly, honestly, and valiantly.

Six in the fourth place means:
Complete approach.
No blame.

While the three lower lines indicate rise to power and influence, the three upper lines show the attitude of persons in higher position toward those of lower rank for whom they procure influence. Here is shown the open- minded approach of a person of high rank to a man of ability whom he draws in to his own circle, regardless of class prejudice. This is very favourable.



16 Yü: Enthusiasm

Cheng, the arousing, thunder is over
Kun, the receptive, earth.

The strong line in the fourth place, that of the leading official, meets with response and obedience from all the other lines, which are all weak. The attribute of the upper trigram, Cheng, is movement; the attributes of Kun, the lower, are obedience and devotion. This begins a movement that meets with devotion and therefore inspires enthusiasm, carrying all with it. Of great importance, furthermore, is the law of movement along the line of least resistance, which in this hexagram is enunciated as the law for natural events and for human life.


The judgement

ENTHUSIASM. It furthers one to install helpers
And to set armies marching.

The time of ENTHUSIASM derives from the fact that there is at hand an eminent man who's in sympathy with the spirit of the people and acts in accord with it. Hence he finds universal and willing obedience. To arouse enthusiasm it is necessary for a man to adjust himself and his ordinances to the character of those whom he has to lead. The inviolability of natural laws rests on this principle of movement along the line of least resistance. These laws are not forces external to things but represent the harmony of movement immanent in them. That is why the celestial bodies do not deviate from their orbits and why all events in nature occur with fixed regularity. It is the same with human society: only such laws as are rooted in popular sentiment can be enforced, while laws violating this sentiment merely arouse resentment.

Again, it is enthusiasm that enables us to install helpers for the completion of an undertaking without fear of secret opposition. It is enthusiasm too that can unify mass movements, as in war, so that they achieve victory.

The image

Thunder comes resounding out of the earth:
The image of ENTHUSIASM.
Thus the ancient kings made music
In order to honour merit,
And offered it with splendour
To the Supreme Deity,
Inviting their ancestors to be present.

When, at the beginning of summer, thunder - electrical energy - comes rushing forth from the earth again, and the first thunderstorm refreshes nature, a prolonged state of tension is resolved. Joy and relief make themselves felt. So too, music has power to ease tension within the heart and to loosen the grip of obscure emotions. The enthusiasm of the heart expresses itself involuntarily in a burst of song, in dance and rhythmic movement of the body. From immemorial times the inspiring effect of the invisible sound that moves all hearts, and draws them together, has mystified mankind.

Rulers have made use of this natural taste for music; they elevated and regulated it. Music was looked on as something serious and holy, designed to purify the feelings of men. It fell to music to glorify the virtues of heroes and thus to construct a bridge to the world of the unseen. In the temple men drew near to God with music and pantomimes (out of this later the theatre developed). Religious feeling for the Creator of the world was united with the most sacred of human feelings, that of reverence for the ancestors. The ancestors were invited to these divine services as guests of the Ruler of Heaven and as representatives of humanity in the higher regions. This uniting of the human past with the Divinity in solemn moments of religious inspiration established the bond between God and man. The ruler who revered the Divinity in revering his ancestors became thereby the Son of Heaven, in whom the heavenly and the earthly world met in mystical contact.

These ideas are the final summation of Chinese culture. Confucius has said of the great sacrifice at which these rites were performed: "He who could wholly comprehend this sacrifice could rule the world as though it were spinning on his hand."


ANALYSIS, INCLUDING EXCERPTS FROM KARCHER'S TRANSLATION

The first observation apparent from a comparison of the two texts is the reference to ancestral forces. It is peculiar that Wilhelm only mentions this in the text for Yu, where Karcher feels it is of importance to both Lin and Yu. Karcher translates the nineteenth hexagram as "Nearing," writing:

"Arrival of the new; approach of something powerful and meaningful; welcome, draw nearer and closer; spirit and meaning emerge from sadness.

Nearing describes your situation in terms of something great approaching. Its symbol is the arrival of a powerful ancestor spirit. This is the first arrival and point of new contact. The way to deal with it is to move towards what is approaching without expecting to get what you want immediately. Look at things with care and sympathy. Welcome the approach of others. Keep your expectations modest. This contact opens a whole new cycle of time. It is particularly favourable for what is growing. So beware. Trying to rush to completion and an early harvest will cut you off from the spirits and leave you open to danger."


It is reasonable to suggest that the arriving power is Barbelith itself. This is because; 1. The intention of the casting was to describe Barbelith; and 2. The connection to ancestral forces has already been tentatively established (see the above post analysing the earlier shamanic journey). Furthermore, the objective of this first stage of the working is to establish contact: here we have clear reference to the joining of what is heavenly to what is earthly. This is expanded upon in Wilhelm's "the attitude of condescension of a man in high position toward the people," "the approach and condescension of the man of higher position to those beneath him," etc.

It is interesting that Wilhelm mentions January and February in connecting with Lin. While these are clear symbols of the spring and the beginning of new life (initiation, rebirth after death, Spring after Winter), they are synchronous with the first phase of the working, beginning 14 January and ending 14 February. Wilhelm's passage mentions the eighth month, possibly a symbol of harvest and preparation for winter. The hexgram seems concerned with the cycle of life in general, confirmed by Karcher's text:

"Image of the Situation

Nearing, Source of Success: Advantageous Trial.
Culminating in the eighth moon: possessing a pitfall.


Associated Contexts: Near, LIN: approach, behold with care, look down on sympathetically; condescend; bless or curse by coming nearer; a superior visiting an inferior. Source ... Trial, lit. Spring Growing Harvesting Trial: Spring: YUAN; Grow: HENG; Harvest: LI; and Trial: CHEN, are the four stages of the Time Cycle, the model for all dynamic processes. They indicate that your question is connected to the cycle as a whole, rather than just part of it, and that the origin (Spring) of a favourable result (Harvesting Trial) is an offering to the spirits (Growing).

Culminate, CHIH: bring to the highest degree; arrive at the end or summit; superlative. Reach(to), HU, actually arriving. Eight, PA: number of highly valued essentials: eight trigrams, eight immortals, eight compass points; eight. Moon, YUEH: actual moon and moon-month; yin, the sun being yang. Possess, YU: in possession of, have, own; opposite of lack, WU. Pitfall, HSIUNG: leads away from the experience of meaning; stuck and exposed to danger, unable to take in the situation; flow of life and spirit is blocked; unfortunate, baleful; keyword."


Wilhelm believes that the misfortune can be averted: "If we meet evil before it becomes reality - before it has even begun to stir - we can master it." Karcher seems to indicate that there is an essential process at work, but offers no indication that the pitfall can be avoided. Both translations emphasize the need to pay close attention to the times, to work diligently and watch carefully, without rushing ahead. My proposed solution to the differences in translation would be to draw in all these qualities, and suggest that Karcher's Time Cycle is the process of ongoing initiation, symbolised by the turning of the Seasons. Wilhelm's observation that misfortune can be avoided is a matter of the perspective of the initiate: if ze pays close attention to the changing seasons, the coming tribulation will be interpreted correctly as a symbolic death, leading into an experience of rebirth with the coming spring. If the initiate does not pay attention to their place within the cycle of initiation then they will be caught unprepared: the death that would otherwise contain the seeds of their ongoing transformation will be death indeed. Furthermore, the cycle is an ongoing process, working death and rebirth into the life of the initiate until their final literal death (and possibly beyond).

I am aware that this is only my interpretation. I encourage any contributor with better knowledge fo the I-Ching to correct any mistakes in this analysis.

Wilhelm's Image and Karcher's Outer and Inner Aspects and Image Tradition both contain material that confirms existing speculation as to Barbelith's qualities. The latter writes:

Outer and Inner Aspects:

"K'un, Field: The field of earth yields and sustains, serving in order to produce. Field is the equalising point between yin and yang where things labour and serve.

Connection to the outer: the common labour of sowing and hoarding, the earthly moment. Field produces concreate results through serving.

Tui, Open: Vapour rishing from the marsh's open surface stimulates and fertilizes; stimulating words cheer and inspire. Open begins the yin hemicycle by initiating the formative process.

Connection to the inner: liquifying, casting, skinning off the mold, the Metallic Moment beginning. Open stimulates, cheers, and reveals innate form.

Inner stimulation combined with an outer willingness to serve invites nearing."


The comparison of the two translations suggests that Barbelith is a powerful teacher and has the capacity to nourish and care for all mankind, operating to serve and inspire us, forming us in the same manner as steel is forged, revealing our true character and purpose. These qualities reveal the meaning of Barbelith's appearance to McGowan as Christ, the Servant/Creator/Teacher/King, symbol of the perfected man and the transformative process. Karcher also mentions "success through sacrifice" his commentary on the Image Tradition.

There are three transforming lines in this hexagram. The first is the lowermost line, of which Karcher writes:

"Initial nine

a) Conjunction Nearing, Trial: auspicious.

b) Conjunction Nearing, Trial: auspicious.
Purpose moving, connecting indeed.


What is approaching belongs with you like parts of a previously separated whole. This is a marriage made in heaven. It will stimulate and inspire you. Have no doubts. The way is open.

Associated Contexts:
a) Conjoin, HSIEN: come into contact with, influence; reach, join together; put together as parts of a previously separated whole; come into conjunction, as the celestial bodies; totally, completely; lit.: broken piece of pottery, the halves of which join to identify partners. Image of hexagram 31. Trial, CHEN: inquiry by divination and its result; righteous, firm; separating wheat from chaff; the kernal, the proven core; forth stage of the Time Cycle. The ideogram: pearl and divination. Auspicious, CHI: leads to the experience of meaning; favourable, propotious, advantageous, appropriate; keyword. The ideogram: scholar and mouth, wise words of a sage.

b) Purpose, CHIH: focus of mind and heart; will, inclination, resolve. The ideogram: heart and scholar, high inner resolve, or heart and go, inner determination. Move, MSING: move or move something; motivate, emotionally moving; walk, act, do. The ideogram: stepping left then right."


Both translations are extremely positive, although Wilhelm encourages caution. This would seem to refer to the future tribulation, a suggestion to enter into an experience wholly, while keeping ones eyes open for signs of change. Karcher even suggests that this is more than a meeting between Barbelith and the initiate: that they share a similar essence, which again would seem to reinforce the supposition that at least an aspect of Barbelith contains an ancestral presence. The mention of the winnowing process is again reminiscent of the tempering of the individual and the revelation of inner purpose ("the kernal, the proven core"). The overall impression is that the experience of approaching Barbelith and establishing contact or union is one that requires will and resolve, but will cause an overwhelmingly positive result. However, the initiate is encouraged to stay alert to changes in the seasons, in order that they are not caught unprepared by circumstances to come.

The second transforming line is the second from the lowermost. Karcher's translates this as:

"Nine at second

a) Conjunction Nearing: auspicious.
Nothing not advantageous.

b) Conjunction Nearing: auspicious.
Nothing not advantageous.
Not yet yielding to fate indeed.
"


His commentary is identical to that of the first changing line, except the final two sentences have been replaced by, "There is nothing that will not benefit from this connection. You are not the victim of fate." Wilhelm's translation offers the most insight here; the "stimulus to approaching... from a high place" referring to Barbelith; the cautious positivity of an initiate with strong character, or "man (with) inner strength and consistency" meaning that the tribulation in the future need not cause concern, the impermanence of all things being known. Karcher's commenatry of section b offers confirmation:

"b) Not yet, WEI: temporal negative; something will but has not yet occurred; contrary of already, CHI. Image of hexagram 64. Fate, MING: idividual destiny; birth and death as limits of life; issue orders with authority; consult the gods. The ideogram: mouth and order, words with heavenly authority."

This site, suggested by Mr Illmatic, offers the perspective that the second changing line, being the middle of the three, offers the most insight into understanding the meaning of this hexagram. The line is certainly most explicit of the central message of the hexagram, to join with Barbelith while maintaining awareness of the mutability of circumstances and how they may be working wisdom and understanding into one's life despite their apparent harshness.

The final changing line is the fourth from the lowermost. The Karcher translates this as follows:

"Six at fourth

a) Culmination Nearing.
Without fault.

b) Culmination Nearing, without fault.
Situation appropriate indeed.


This is the climax. Don't hold back. Give yourself fully. This is not a mistake.

Associated Contexts:
a) Without fault, WU CHIU: no error or harm in the situation.

b) Situation, WEI: place or seat according to rank; post, position, command; right, proper, established, arranged. The ideogram: person and stand, servants in their places. Appropriate, TANG: suitable; opportune, convenient, adequate, competent; equal to; whole lines in uneven places and opened lines in even places."

I find it disappointing that Karcher offers no perspective on "culminate," although he may hold it as self-evident given the postion of this line within the hexagram (a yielding line in a yielding position). His commentary on the line seems particularly poor to me given the associated contexts, and it is Wilhelm's translation clearly encompasses more of the meaning. Barbelith is here depicted as without prejudice, embracing all individuals as equals, regardless of the petty judgements we may place on each other (due to social class, race, gender, sexual orientation, etc). It is also interesting that Wilhelm uses the phrase "draws into his own circle:" the notions of circles and cycles holding special relevance to the shamanic journey detailed above.

These lines transform the hexagram into Yu, which is also translated differently by the two texts. Wilhelm uses "enthusiasm," Karcher opts for "providing for/provision." The latter writes:

"Prepare, collect what you need to meet the future; spontaneous, direct response, enthusiastic; enjoy, take pleasure.

Providing for describes you situation in terms of gathering what is needed to meet and enjoy the future. Its symbol is a child riding an elephant. You can deal with it by accumulating strength and resources so you can respond spontaneously and fully when the time comes. Prepare things. Take precautions. Think things through so you can move smoothly with the flow of events. Get rid of negative attitudes. It is like riding an elephant that you have previously tamed, a creature of great grace and power. Establish and empower helpers, so your forces can be easily mobilized to respond to any situation. That brings profit and insight."


Again, the texts bring out different qualities in a complementary manner. This time it is Wilhelm who offers the most unconditional response, and seems clear that a community undertaking is necessary, in which all will be united by the shared enthusiasm. Karcher echoes this, but also includes a clear message of hoarding reserves that will make one equal to the tasks ahead. This again seems to confirm the theory that the coming "misfortune" or "pitfall" can be weathered well by those who have prepared wisely, becoming formative rather than destructive forces. This is further confirmed by Karcher's comments on the "Hidden Possibility" or nuclear trigrams (K'an and Ken): "Building up reserves to provide for the future lets you re-imagine a difficult situation."

The activity described seems to refer to this working specifically, in whatever form it may take. Of specific importance is Wilhelm's repeated "line of least resistance." This synchronous significance to me, as I wrote it to another contributor to this working only a couple of days before this casting. I referred to the future phases of the working, and how they may require revision now that the first phase is revealing a rather greater entity than I had anticipated. It is not a phrase that I use often, if at all. This concept of the working moving in its own natural direction will be explored in a different sense below. For now, I will simply mention that the suggestions made for further phases of this work may be signigicantly different to what has been written above. This work has developed a life and character of its own.

It is Wilhelm's text that offers the most focus in his commentary on the Judgement. The "eminent man who is in sympathy with the spirit of the people and acts in accord with it" is clearly Barbelith. This passage is confirmation of the supposition that Barbelith communicates to each initiate through their own language and ontology. Just as "only such laws that are rooted in popular sentiment can be enforced," so too Barbelith seems to choose methods of communication suitable to the initiate, resisting methods that cannot be interpreted or processed. Again, this is movement along the lines of least resistance, although there is nothing lazy about its character. Water works its way downhill, filling up cracks and moving around obstacles, exploring all avenues in its path until it finds the one most suitable.

The relevant excerpts from Karcher's translation:

"Image of the Situation

Providing-for, advantageous to install feudatories to move legions. Harvesting.

Associated Contexts Provide(-for)/provision, YU: ready, prepared for; prearrange, take precaution, think beforehand; satisfied, contented, at ease. The ideogram: son and elephant, careful, reverent and very strong. Advantageous/Harvest, LI: advantageous, profitable; acute, insightful; benefit, nourish; third stage of the Time Cycle. Install, CHIEN: set up, establish; confirm a position or law. Feudatory, HOU: nobles entrusted with governing the provinces; active in daily life rather than governing from the centre; contrasts with prince, KUNG, executives at the court. Move, HSING: move or move something; motivate, emotionally moving; walk, act, do. The ideogram: stepping left then right. Legions/leading, SHIH: troops; an organized unit, a metropolis; leader, general, model, master; organise, make functional; take as a model, imitate. The ideogram: organize confusion into funcitonal units. Image of Hexagram 7."

Again, this seems to refer to the future of the working, in whatever shape it becomes. Both speak of the institution of leaders or helpers, those capable of uniting the people in shared enthusiasm, in accordance with the aims of Barbelith. If this is the case, it could indicate that the following phases of the working could involve the practical decisions of those involved with the working to procure positions of influence as much as engage with Barbelith to work with people on a personal, magical level. Of course, "positions of influence" need not always entail a leadership role: returning to the model of Barbelith as Servant-Teacher, it may be that influence is found by humbly facilitating the development of others, in a manner that does not elevate oneself.

It is clear from the casting that any movement forward must entail a careful and steadfast alertness, a willingness to communicate with people on their level, and a set of guidelines for future working that does not exclude anyone. The exact shape of the future operations of Barbelith is potentially to be left undescribed, the "functional units" being ideological precepts or characteristics held by those that would do this work. Seen in this light, enthusiasm, preparation, adaptability and unity of purpose are reconciled. This seems confirmed by Karcher's commentary on the "Inner and Outer Aspects:"

"Chen, Shake: Thunder rises from below, shaking and stirring things up. Shake begins the yang hemicycle by germinating new action.

Connection to the outer: sprouting energies thrusting from below, the Woody Moment beginning. Shake stirs things up to issue forth."


I-CHINGSLASHPATROLGO!

"K'un, Field: The field of earth yields and sustains, serving in order to produce. Field is the equalizing point between yin and yang where things labour and serve.

Connection to the inner: the common labour or sowing and hoarding, the Earthy Moment. Field produces concrete results through serving.

Inner sowing and hoarding provides-for a rousing summons to action that comes from outside."


Finally we come to Wilhelm's "Image" and Karcher's "Symbol Tradition." Here is the latter in full:

Thunder issuing forth from earth impetuously. Providing for.
The Earlier Kings used arousing delight to extol actualizing-tao,
Exalting worship of the Supreme Above
Used to equal the grandfathers and predecessors.


Associated Contexts Thunder, LEI: rising, arousing power; the Symbol of the trigram Shake, CHEN. Issue forth(from), CH'U: emerge from, come out of, proceed from, spring from; the Action of the trigram Shake, CHEN; contrary of enter, JU. The ideogram: stem with branches and leaves emerging. Earth, TI: ground on which the human world rests; basis of al things, nourishes all things; the Symbol of the trigram Field, K'UN. Impetuous, FEN: sudden energy; lively, spirited, impulsive; excite, arouse; press on.

Earlier Kings HSIEN WANG: ideal rulers of old; the golden age, primal time, power in harmony with nature; model for the chun tzu. Arouse, TSO: stir up, stimulate, rouse from inactivity; generate; appear, arise. The ideogram: person and beginning. Delight, LO: take joy or pleasure in; pleasant, relaxed; also: music as harmony, elegance and pleasure. Extol, CH'UNG: praise, honour, magnify, revere; eminent, lofty; worthy of worship. Actualize-tao, TE: realize tao in action; power, virtue; ability to follow the course traced by the ongoing process of the cosmos; keyword. The ideogram; to go, straight, and heart. Linked with acquire, TE: acquiring that which makes a being become what it is meant to be.

Exalting worship, YIN CHIEN: superlative of worship; glorify; intensify feelings of praise and awe. 's/have(-it)/it/them, CHIH: expresses possession, directly or as an object pronoun. Supreme Above, SHANG TI: highest power in the universe, lord of all.

Equal, P'EI: on the same level; pair, husband or wife; together. Grandfather, TSU: second ancestor generation; deceased grandfather, honoured more than actual father. Predecessor, K'AO: deceased ancestor; the ancients; aged, long-lived; consult, verify. The ideogram: old and ingenious, the old wise man."


Here we see a natural consolidation and conclusion to the casting. The energy released from the working rejuvenates and energises those who come into contact with it, sustaining their requirements. This follows the pattern of rulers and wise men going back to antiquity: the capacity for releasing such power that transforms, heals, and enables. Karcher's reference to Tao offers greater insight here: "Acquiring that which makes a being become what it is meant to be>"

Much emphasis is placed upon worship, veneration and sacrifice. This may cause some trepidation to those who use magic without a direct formative influence from religion. I offer my own experience by means of explanation: when I was involved in training for congregational worship, it was emphasised that the public worship rituals were only one small aspect of one's worship as an individual. The teaching stated that the highest form of worship was self-transformation, the becoming of the perfected self, symbolised by Christ. The sacrifice therefore continues the theme of death and rebirth, of sacrificing the parts of one's identity that are no longer aligned to the path of the developing self. Of course, this is still a difficult aspect of the working to come to terms with, and is certainly not something that should be taken lightly.

Here we also return to Barbelith's ancestral dimension, here seemingly referred to as equal its divinity ("Exalting worship of the Supreme Above used to equal the grandfathers and predecessors"). We see divinity and human heritage intertwined, married together in Karcher's translation. One contributor sent me an email that linked these conceptions to Grant Morrison's thoughts on the biota (see the Barbelith Interviews link), and speculated that the human race since the beginning of time has been one long tree-like creature viewed in cross-section. In this respect working with Barbelith may serve to reinforce the existence of the human race from a perspective external to time, as the living World Tree stretching back to our eariest origins, merging with other species into one organism. Barbelith has chosen to apear as a map or model of these conceptions.

It is worth contemplating the Confucius quote incuded in Wilhelm's translation. Barbelith appears to be showing itself as the guiding principle for the entire human race at any point in time, perpetually in a state of service and self-sacrifice so that we can realise our full potential. Wilhelm seems to use the quote to imply that devoting oneself to understanding these concepts allows places one within the active stream of Mankind's development - and positions one to claim the inheritance of ages. I invite anyone to offer their perspectives.

--- One more note to any readers with limited prior experience of the I-Ching: this casting was done at random from the sixty-four hexagrams using three coins, thrown six times. It was not decided upon by myself, but left to the forces behind chance. I trust that those who are unfamiliar with the Oracle will therefore seek out both translations at the earliest opportunity. ---
 
 
Seth
07:58 / 14.02.03
Firstly, more details on the Barbelith/Christ syncretism:

"...Christ as the synthesis of the basic symbols of the universe - Heaven and Earth through his two natures, divine and human; Fire and Air by his decent into Hell and ascension into Heaven; the tomb and the resurrection; the cross; the Gospel book of life; the axis and centre of the world; the sacrificial lamb; the almightly King and ruler of the world; Golgotha, the mountain of the world; the ladder of salvation - all symbols of verticality, of light, of the centre, of the axis and so on... Endowing the symbol with all its historic strength and all its ontological and semantic reality, it may be said that, for Christians, Christ is the king of symbols." from The Penguin Dictionary of Symbols edited by Jean Chevalier and Alain Gheerbrant, including material from Introduction au monde des symboles by G Champeaux and S Dom Sterckx.

Here we see a complex of symbols that bears a strikingly similarity to that inherent in Barbelith. Missing from the list is the Messianic "proof" offered by the Gospel writers of Jesus' genealogy, a list of his ancestors traceable back through Biblical figures such as David, Abraham and Adam, the first man. Of course, this is no historical evidence - it is rather a more explicit manifestation of the ancestral power already implied within the symbolism of the World Axis/Centre and the crucifixion on the World Tree, and is also a return to the first origin: Jesus as the new First Man. This is the last I will mention on this subject, as further parallels with Christian ideas border on self-indulgence.

It has been nearly two months since I began this thread, and my posts have only covered the primary operations of my Barbelith working. Over this period I have also reconstructed myself on this board as reflect (initiations, death and resurrection) and experienced Neon Genesis Evangelion (an anime series that uses Judeo-Christian mysticism and mythology in explaining the evolutin on mankind, a process that bears strking similarities with depictions of the Supercontext in Morrison's Invisibles). Other occurences are too personal to include here.

There has been significant contribution from several other members of this site. I have selected a few exerpts of Private Messages and emails, editing them to remove personal information. Please notify me if I have omitted any details that you specifically wanted to be reprinted on the thread itself.

I have received two synchronous Tarot readings via Private Message and email which have associated Barbelith and this working to the Star card (and the Sun, to a lesser extent). I am inequipped to provide a full exploration of these themes, as I do not work with the Tarot. Credit for any insights is therefore due to the excellent commentary supplied by one contributor, based on the Rider/Waite deck. Any further exposition from posters more familiar with Tarot would be appreciated.

The two explicitly relevant sections of the commentary are quoted here in their entirety from the email I received. Please bear in mind that these excerpts are taken out of context from a larger spread. Aspects of the spread contain personal information which must be omitted for obvious reasons.

"Sun: A sense of optimism, freedom, and joy. Matters of vitality and well-being. An active, energized state. Enlightenment, lucidity, clarity. New experiences, a new project, reaching out towards others in a different way. Experiencing wonder in one's life and sharing it with those around one.

The Sun is the 19th card in the Major Arcana and, if one gives credence to numerology, has connections with the Wheel of Fortune (1+ 9 = 10) which represents Fate, as well as the Magician (1 + 0 = 1) which represents proper direction of Will. The concepts of Fate and the proper direction of Will would seem to be inimical to each other, but this is an illusion. They are inextricably linked in the sense that, when one learns to channel divine/universal energy in ways that are useful and constructive in the tangible world, one directly interacts with one's Fate and creates the life that one wishes to lead. So one steps off the Wheel and moves away from the idea of Fate as something one has no control over. (It's not about control over, but about working with.)

This gives rise to a sense of freedom and liberation. There's a rush, an outpouring of relief and joy and a readiness to move onward. The Sun also deals with issues of health and vitality, and by extension issues of healing (a theme that crops up again in the Star). Another aspect of the Sun deals with accomplishment, organization, getting work done, achieving goals and finishing what one starts.

Star: Healing, aid and comfort to those in need. Peace during struggle and strife. Direct access to divine energy via the creative process and constructive use of the imagination. A card of spiritual replenishment, of knowing that the resources to get the job done are within reach.

The keynote of this card is one of peace. It has a calming, beneficial effect on any reading it shows up in. It represents healing, relief from pain and strife. It reminds one that there is always enough love and kindness to go around; if one isn't getting it from a particular person or situation, one will surely find it elsewhere. This card has a great deal to do with the concept of flowing. One cannot hold on to things, people, situations, ideas, dreams. It is necessary to keep one's hands, ears, eyes and heart open, and let things come and go of their own accord.

There are strong similarities between this card and the Rune Lagu. Symbolically Elemental water represents the subconscious aspect of the mind, that part of the psyche from whence intuition and the psychic powers in general arise. In circumstances where the querent possesses no psychic awareness, Lagu will generally indicate success in some area of activity which employs the imaginative faculty anything which draws its creative impetus from the depths of the subconscious. The querent will meet with a sympathetic and understanding response from other people involved in their problem which will hasten the situation to a successful conclusion (Tony Willis, The Runic Workbook).

There is a great deal of divine symbolism inherent in this card. Two deities of the Ancient World are particularly associated with it: Inanna and Thoth. The eight-pointed star represents Inanna, and there are eight of them on the card. The nudity of the figure on the card recalls how Inanna faced her sister Erishkegal, after divesting an article of clothing at each of the seven gates (points 1-7) leading to Erishkegal's Queendom. She arrived at her sister's palace (point 8) naked and without shame or fear, knowing her death (i.e. transformation) was imminent. Inanna is the Queen of Heaven, highly skilled in Magick and renowned for her resourcefulness and wisdom.

There is an ibis sitting in a tree; the ibis is one of the sacred animals of Thoth. Thoth is also a god of Magick, but he also represents powers of communication and being able to interpret one's experiences so others can understand and learn from them. He is also know as a healer; in the story of the battle between Horus and Set, Thoth heals Horusí wounds, specifically his eye (there are strong links between the Egyptian Thoth and the Greek Hermes and by extension a link with Hermetic Magick).

As mentioned above, the nudity of the woman does not indicate sexuality or passion, but freedom from fear. She holds a jug of water in each hand, pouring the contents of one into a pool of water and that of the other onto dry land. This indicated how energy reacts differently depending on its use or lack of use. Energy poured into itself remains itself, having no direct influence on things, but when brought into the tangible world it nourishes, it helps things grow and live. In order to transform, energy has to be put to constructive use. Creativity is the main method by which this transformation takes place.

(Note:
"Every act of creation objectifies spiritual energy in the thing created. At the same time no work exhausts the artistís inspiration as long as he or she remains connected to the inner sources." Rachel Pollack, Seventy-Eight Degrees of Wisdom)

This brings us back to the flow; in order to take this precious energy and work with it, one has to be able to let go of it, understanding that there's more where it came from."


Elements of this spread are synchronous with dreams from a contributor which featured clear references to Isis and Osiris (particularly the dying/dead man, resurrected for only an instant, removal of the still virile penis, and posthumous preganacy). I have again elected not to reprint the dreams in their entirety. My knowledge of ancient Egyptian mythology is not sufficient to provide a full explanation of these themes, although I have included relevant excerpts from the few sources in my possession (which follow below). I again encourage anyone with a better understanding of the subject matter to provide their own commentary, as long as it is relevant to the context of the working.

"Osirian triad (Osiris, Isis, Horus). Osiris, a mythical Egyptian human king and the bringer of civilisation, was murdered by his brother Seth. His dismembered body was reassembled by his wife, Isis, who then posthumously concieved their son, Horus. As Osiris' avenger, Horus fought Seth. The divine judges found in his favour, and he became king of Egypt, whie Osiris, resurrected as divine judge of the dead in the underworld,became the symbol of immortality. His worshippers sought individual resurrection through righteous lives. The cult gained popular support from the Middle Kingdom period on, c 1900BCE." The Penguin Dictionary of Religions, Edited by John R Hinnells

The conceptions of death and resurrection, personal immortality through concerns to develop and regulate the self show many similarities with what has been established about Barbelith. There has also been speculation of a link between Thoth/Hermes from the same contributor. While I will not reprint their speculations, notice the the relevance of the description of the syncretised god:

"The symbolism of Hermes also draws its inspiration from that of the Ancient Egyptian god, Thoth, the supreme deity Ra's lieutenant, messenger, enlightener, judge of the human conscience, guide and mediator. He embodies the revelation to mankind of wisdom and the way of eternal life. He is the word which, to the degree to which they are open to it, penetrates to the very depths of people's consciousness." The Penguin Dictionary of Symbols edited by Jean Chevalier and Alain Gheerbrant

Finally, here is a transcription of a working performed by another contributor, who has also been kind enough to provide a degree of analysis:

"I walked for less than ten minutes from my place to a friend’s, at night. The weather was dry, the moon waxing, the route I took well known. After a minute or two of ‘warm up’ I entered a passage and used that as the boundary to start the meditation.(Description- it is a long, very old [hundreds of years] passage, the walls above head height and made of flint. It is overhung with massive Yew and Beech trees, is poorly lit except at the ends and so perceptually resembles a tunnel) I pictured Barbelith as a bloody great red sphere like Jupiter, from the Invisibles image (when they visit the Invisible college I believe), which glowed for a moment and then faded ‘behind the scenes’ as it were. I momentarily thought about the message board, but as I wanted to avoid internal dialogue as much as possible I respectfully put the thought aside until later, and focused on my environment.

Immediately in my mind’s eye I saw myself as walking through a mist of glowing motes, like green ions, and soaking up or absorbing some while some were pushed aside in a bow wave. They accumulated on/in me, seeming to become part of my aura, energising me, and felt like the energy was there to bring me to a higher energy state. As I felt saturated , I started to develop a field around me that shielded me from the energy motes (which seemed to be greener at rest and redder in motion) which flowed around it, some sticking to it to give it a firmer ‘existence’. I was deliberately being quite passive, but wanted to collect more energy, so held my hands out, fingers extended, to trawl for it as it were. Sparks started to jump from the flints in the wall to my fingertips, tiny at first but quickly accelerated into arcs of blue electrical-like energy, gradually reaching from further away to earth in me, so I was the centre of a growing area of lightning (I was reminded of Highlander mundanely enough, when they ‘quicken’.

The glowing motes continued to accrete on my energy shell, with plenty sifting through to energise me- I was in no way threatened by the motes and wanted to be swimming in them. The flow of them as I walked through the passage was beautiful, and some seemed to funnel into my navel (or possibly a point just below it, what Castaneda calls the centre). As I approached the end of the ‘tunnel’ the effects spread further and became more intense, until as I stepped out into the street I was earthing from the top of lampposts and from buildings both sides of the road. I felt as though this energy was building up in me but was directionless, as though it could be used for anything, and was almost waiting to be told what to do. So I stopped taking a back seat and followed my initial instinct, focusing the energy into my hands. I poured all the incoming ether through them and channelled the pent up energy suffusing my body into them too, until they crackled with power, focusing my intent on a resonance suitable to use for writing. As I approached my friend’s house the experience came to a head, as I concentrated all the power into my hands, and on the doorstep I clapped them together to finish the job, sparks splashing off them as they darkened like turning off a light- I could feel the power still there. As soon as I walked into the house, pleased with my magic hands, I (of course) kicked over a glass of water with my foot- a gentle reminder to keep balanced I think.

Thoughts- Barbelith was the seed for the meditation, which turned out to be powerful (for a short walking meditation at least) but not directing, it sat back and watched. I felt this reflected B’s ‘attitude’ of freedom- I felt I was given power freely, but not told what to do with it- that was my choice. Afterwards I realised that it was like being in the centre of a Plasma ball but with no glass ball. Today I read your post describing your shamanic journey, and noticed a couple of similarities- the navel being involved as a secondary element (although I blame my love of Castaneda’s work for that, I could be subconsciously suggesting that for the vision) The visual impression of the world tree is similar in shape (i.e. branching top and bottom) to a bolt of lightning (if you imagine it hitting a lake or reflective surface perhaps), although in my experience it was much less pronounced. It is possible it was a symbol of just the middle and upper worlds, or possibly there was energy coming from beneath the earth I just didn’t notice. The sphere was there in negative, almost, I was the centre of a sphere with no boundary- Hermetically paradoxical J (BTW love Mircea Eliade, am about to re-read Shamanism) and it is interesting we should both notice the plasma ball allusion after the fact. Reading your account was eerily familiar in a way, but maybe that’s because I share the same interests and sources you seem to, I don’t know.

'Previous definitions used in this thread no longer seem sufficient to describe the magnitude of what is being explored.' I agree. I felt like a kid being given a gun in a way…"
 
 
Seth
08:40 / 14.02.03
CONCLUSIONS TO PHASE ONE

Various attempts were made to communicate with Barbelith from various members of the board. These methods included divination via Tarot and I-Ching, shamanic journey, dreamwork, prayer, sigils, visualisation, meditation, research, and the observation of synchronicity.

Contact with Barbelith has clearly been established. This revealed the entity to be considerably greater and more ancient than anticipated. Barbelith seems to be some form of mystic counterpart to humanity (at least. It could potentially be called the partner of all life on Earth), a consolidation of ancestral strength (it appears to have a temporal dimension that encompasses our history and contains the seeds of our future), wisdom and love (agape) which interacts in harmony with us as an aid to initiation, individuation and actualisation. This entity has been experienced by a number of contributors who chose to be involved with the working, in a variety of different ways (each according to the individual).

PREPARATION FOR PHASE TWO

It has been suggested that the worldwide anti-war protests will make an excellent forum in which to employ a peace working, Barbelith in particular. I disagree with this for a number of reasons.

The global political situation is precarious in the extreme. A number of things will happen in the next few days that could be pivotal to how the working should be proceeded with. We will shortly be privy to the report on the inspection of Iraqi weapons; a second UN resolution is a distinct possibility; huge global anti-war demonstrations are to take place; the Islamic holy season is shortly to end; and there is increased security in both England and America due to alleged terrorist threats. The outcomes of all these events are potentially vital to the way in which any working will be approached. It is also felt that too few contributors will be witness to updates to this thread to enable a synchronised working in time for the protests.

The situation is too chaotic at present, with too many conflicting variables and too much misinformation. Any attempt at magic without clearly defined aims would be irresponsible. It is my suggestion to wait and observe events closely for the next three to four days. I do not suggest inaction: I recommend that everyone involved in this operation use whatever methods they feel comfortable with in order to gauge how this working should proceed. I will be present at the London anti-war protest with a large number of other Barbelith members. I will use to the opportunity to canvass opinion and work on the best way to continue using my own methods. I will also seek counsell from Barbelith itself.

I request that any further ideas or questions are updated to this thread itself, unless they are of a nature that necessititates privacy. I no longer have the resources to be the custodian of material unless there are good reasons for not updating the site directly. The public aspect of this working does not seem to necessitate as much personal privacy, and should be transparent so that methods can be tested and debated.

This post does not draw Phase One to a full close. I respect that there may be contributions that are late in being conducted and transcribed. Please continue to supply this material (ensuring that it is always strictly relevant).

Stay alert for the next few days/week. Act with wisdom and caution. Be aware of any synchronous events, no matter how small they may seem. Information and perspective gathered will be vital to how we proceed from here.
 
 
illmatic
14:31 / 14.02.03
Reflect btw, – you’ve done a amazing job. That I Ching exposition is fantastic,will take me a while to digest and cheers for all the other work you’ve put in – mega props!

Thought I’d add my two cents/experience – Lucid Dream. I’m in a kind of cave space which (in dream-logic) was a computer space of another group I chat to on line. Me and another member of the group are there. Messages or units of information are big vertically stacked, irregular piles of rocks – kind of like slates. We’re sorting through them looking for something. I become lucid, make myself fly and float about. Feels like swimming. I leave this room through a hole in the door going past a ladder as i settled down on the ground I decide i will contact Barbelith - I enter a number of rooms but “reject” each of them, creating a new one until I find one with Barbelith in – I think I’m next to something like a light switch. I flip it on and see a glowing red sphere. It glows and fills up the space – I wake up.

I have’t done a lot by way of attempting to contact Barbelith but have had quite a few synchronicities involving my own magick and the board. Things seemed to have “upped” a little in intensity. It seems to me that Barbelith is expressing itself through a variety of different symbol systems so far, things that are close to the personal work of the individuals concerned. Perhaps it’s essence if it has one emerges from it’s interaction with our work? Am pretty tired and witless at present so more later.
 
  

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