As far as influencing the rest of the board: yes, I do have an influence. In this case I came up with some ideas, which included further work with the Transducer.
Not really. The quote above I made from you implies an 'either/or" situation, which, it did end up being. Even though there was some mention of Transducer it was mainly to prove it's ineffectiveness and compare it to the effectiveness of the bright, shiny, new Barbelith entity. I hardly think anyone was encouraging further work with the Transducer, especially after picking it apart and deeming it ineffective. Why would anyone work with it then?
But anyone can come up with ideas, and so anyone can influence. And I reiterate that I can't force people to do what they don't want to do.
We know that the reality is there are cliques here, there are people who have been here a long time (sometimes refered to as barbelders), and newbies. There is bound to be some hierarchy. I am not complaining about it, but because that topic is so taboo here, it is rarely if ever acknowledged properly. No one takes responsibility for the impact of their influence.
Strix... I can't see any way in which you're not blaming me for your failure to do more with a working that you clearly cared about and still care about. Sorry to be blunt, but that's not my responsibility.
Don't insult me. It is not my fucking failure, it is everyone's failure who worked on it. This is the problem. It has been thrust solely on my shoulders to deal with, to fix, and yet, it is not solely my energy that went into creating it. I do care about it, because it still lives, it exists, and because no one will do anything about it. I am ze's only voice because everyone else pretty much turned their back on hir.
You can still do work with the Transducer, and you can still do group work with it if you can find others who are interested. At no point have I put a stop to that.
Wait, you and some of your fellow lithers here have deemed Transducer ineffective, and you are suggesting that we work with it? I don't get that. It is highly contradictory and bloody dangerous!
What I did do is voice my opinion, but my opinions are just as open to critique as the rest of the board.
Yeah, so did I. So what? I am voicing my opinion right now, too.
If I'd been talking shit then I'd have been called on it,...
Voila. I am calling you on it.
...and so in many respects my thoughts are only as valid as everyone elses. So expressing my ideas and thoughts doesn't make me necessarily any more influential than anyone else.\
That is so not true. See my statement above.
I stand by all the decisions I made, all my reasoning still stands up to scrutiny a couple of years after the fact, and I still believe in all the results we achieved.
You may have achieved results with Barbelith Egregore, but that doesn't let anyone off the hook to do the proper thing and deal with what was already created. If you stand by your decision to suggest using another entity instead of dealing with what we had already created and fixing it or sealing it, or whatever, then I think you are an opportunist. Tell me, how is that proper magickal practice?
My point is there were results with Transducer. Maybe not the ones we wanted, but that is why something has to be done about it. Not sweep the Transducer under the Barbelith rug and work with another entity.
Recently, people who worked on Transducer have been experiencing an inordinate amount of negativity in their lives. I have a theory that one of the flaws we discovered about Transducer, as pointed out by you Seth (as expressionless) and velvetvandal:
I feel a bit foolish about not noticing the fact that the Mango's mission 'involves eradicating its food supply' (or however exp put it). That does make one wonder...
Yes, it does do this. But, so do human beings. However, as humans, we cultivate more food supply. I think this is happening with the Transducer. Ze is cultivating their food through the sources that it is born from and has links to; those that created it. This is the result of not dealing properly with it. I didn't just come up with this, I had to spend a year working this out and being observant to the magickal links between everyone that worked on it.
Remember this?:
I think now however, there really are not the flaws in TRansducer that were mentioned before. As Hunterwolf pointed out, Who said negativity/war/conflict was its food supply? I thought mangoes and our collective & individual will/magickal energy were its supply.
Maybe because it isn't being given another food supply, since it was discarded impoperly, it is creating negative circumstances to feed upon?
Regardless if my observations are correct or not, it was certainly not a proper way that people chose to deal with Transducer. I myself created a thread which was initially a celebratory thread, but where Transducer was criticized for being ineffective. I called all those who had worked on Transducer to do something about it. No one took up that responsibility. It was left as my burden, while people turned to the Barbelith entity. Thanks.
Remember typing this, Seth?
Why work with Barbelith, not the Transducer?
The principle theoretical flaws of the Transducer have been described in detail earlier in this thread. Using Barbelith as a substitute carries a number of the same risks, with the exception that it does not involve the transformation of *negative energy* into *positive energy.* These terms are highly subjective, relying on the belief system of the practioner as opposed to any pre-existing values. Barbelith overcomes this by operating from agape. It is self-sacrificial, and encourages the practioner to change us much as the subject. It is reasonable to assume that workings which run against this core principle will not work, minimising the risk of damage.
Transducer is our abandoned baby. |
