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Urgh! Fuck!: A thread for untamed hate and anger [PICS]

 
  

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Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:48 / 30.05.08
Those which form the 90% of the "scientific" community who are most quoted by the news media.

Okay, leaving aside the rest of your post: That sentence doesn't even make sense. 90% of the scientific community get quoted by the news media, with only that bold 10% struggling to bring us da troof? I don't think so.

The news media has its own agenda, informed by the weathy and powerful; it parted company with anything but the sketchiest understanding of science, scientists, or the scientific community about a generation before I was born. What's reported is the worst kind of junk science, with stories spun so far and so hard that they sometimes end up completely reversed, apparently offering the opposite conclusion to the one drawn by researchers.

Those "Independant" researchers who are employed by companies which are owned by oil companies and large farming corporations, both who have great government lobbying powers, of course...

This represents a weirdly skewed understanding of the facts, frankly. Can you tell me what scientific publications you read on a regular basis? Websites, even? You do know that Yahoo! Odd News is not a reputable source, right?
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
17:42 / 30.05.08
I admit: Much of my "scientific" reading is gathered from traditional media. Many times I may follow links from disinfo to "legit" science sites, and I watch "Daily Planet" almost every day, but I don't really read science journals per se.
Thing is, I'm aware of the dodginess off my sources: that's what I'm getting at... I'm saying that 90% of the science stories in traditional media are incredibly biased. Hell, most stories in traditional media are biased.
That's where my scepticism comes from: it's the dodgy science that seems to have the most funding from the large interests behind them. For every story about global warming there's another one from a "legitimate" scientist (in the employ of Exxon)countering it. They make bigger headlines, it seems.
When it comes to making policy, often as not it's the biased corporate funded science informing the policy makers and lining their pockets. That's why Bush toured South America trying to convince everyone to start growing corn for ethanol, backed by sheafs of "Scientific Evidence" that it would be great for controlling carbon emissions and will help create a greener planet... We all "Know" he was talking out of his ass and trying to make money, but the only ones who said so were Castro and Chavez, but that was spun into, "Dictators think it's bad so it must be good!"
I never stated that there aren't good people doing good work, but we rarely hear about them unless we have the time to dig and hunt. I did state, however, that there's a lot of bad science informing powerful people.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
17:45 / 30.05.08
I read the Invisibles, you know. Authority is bad.

Sure, but you gotta grow a bit before you question it...

(Married 60 years, eh?...)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:40 / 30.05.08
That's why Bush toured South America trying to convince everyone to start growing corn for ethanol, backed by sheafs of "Scientific Evidence" that it would be great for controlling carbon emissions and will help create a greener planet... We all "Know" he was talking out of his ass and trying to make money, but the only ones who said so were Castro and Chavez, but that was spun into, "Dictators think it's bad so it must be good!"

The only ones, that is, except for a largish chunk of the scientific community who have been raising these kinds of concerns for years but who you've chosen to ignore in favour of--from the content of your posts here--the Daily Mail and a couple of stoners on GNN.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:43 / 30.05.08
Harmony House! HARMONY HOUSE!
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
18:53 / 30.05.08
Well, it's how the masses get informed. The same masses who vote. It's where most people get their information, I'm afraid.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:31 / 31.05.08
Well, it's how the masses get informed. The same masses who vote. It's where most people get their information, I'm afraid.

No, it's how you get informed (using the term as loosely as possible). It's something of an assumption to say that the majority of people (those pesky zombified sheeple masses) can't be bothered to get information from slightly more reliable sources.

Those which form the 90% of the "scientific" community who are most quoted by the news media.

%Wow, I'm obviously in the wrong percentile. You'd think it'd be easy to jump the gap into the overwhelming majority so I too can spread disinformation and lies to the filthy masses, but it's harder to get into that 90% than it is to get into The Armoury.%

For every story about global warming there's another one from a "legitimate" scientist (in the employ of Exxon)countering it.

Yet those dim-witted sheeple masses seem to be much more accepting of the fact of climate change than they do of the denier factions. Perhaps they are capable of thinking on their own! Note to self: Increase levels of anti-depressants and tranquilisers in world water supply.

I do know that when I grew up we ate less processed foods, were allowed less soda, and had a healthier respect (sometimes fear) for authority. I'm not saying that kids are worse today; They're not. But they do have more stacked against them: Less freedom, worse food, more drugs(such as Ritalin), prone to more allergies and enviromental pathogens, less discipline, and to top it off they're the targets of massive consummerist advertising campaigns which can become mind-boggingly confusing as they try to teach each child to try identify themselves with such-and-such a product.

Y'know, if you took off those rose-tinted glasses, I think you might be better able to contribute. Perhaps stop making these massively generalising statements too.

Nostalgia is a wonderful thing, but it does tend to cloud judgement.

Out of interest, don't you find that your views of the utopian perfection of hunter-gatherer societies smacks a little too much of the "noble savage" cliche? It isn't all teacups and roses and raindrops and kittens you know?
 
 
Lama glama
10:04 / 31.05.08
AAR: Good luck with it. What's it on?

It was Crystallography, mineralogy and optics. It was my obligatory (hellish) geology module for the year and tasted suspiciously like chemistry. All is well though, I managed to write six pages of something that will hopefully be pass-worthy.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:00 / 31.05.08
Well, it's how the masses get informed.

Well, I'm pretty massive myself, dude, and yet somehow I've been able to locate alternatiave sources of information outside of Rupert Murdoch's Empire of Shite and what the guy I buy my weed off tells me.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
21:05 / 31.05.08
I still don't quite see what the 'science' which supported the (to put it crudely) stupid corn idea (or the system whereby 'science' is used to support stupid corn ideas) really has to do with whether or not schools use corporal punishment, or whether there's any real evidence that corporal punishment solved the problems that FT references (I say they're very real, although I'm not quite convinced yet that they're any worse than they were before, or, in what ways they might be worse and in what ways they might be better).

And I think, also, that people always have respect and/or fear for some authority; the authority in question, and the ways in which people respect and fear it, simply change over time. If you're doing what your mates in the gang tell you rather than what your teacher tells you you're still respecting someone's authority.

This is why I'm dubious about people saying that we need more respect or disrespect for authority: which authority are we talking about?
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
18:10 / 18.06.08
http://www.uclick.com/client/zzz/gm/2008/06/17/

presumably a response to habeus corpus being upheld in the US?

definitely a disgusting comic.
 
 
Dead Megatron
11:43 / 04.07.08
I just heard yesterday that a distant cousin of mine who lives in Switzerland was attacked by a gang of skinheads and was so hurt he had to go into surgery. I don't know him very well, but his father, whom I do know, had to travel to Switzerland to help.

It is ironic (in a not-funny-at-all sense) that the guy lived 20+ years in a country with rampaging criminal violence and enormous gap between rich and poor without suffering so much as a scratch, and ends up becoming a victim in a place that is supposed to be, you know, "civilized".

I'm such in a "fuck it all" mood today.
 
 
Automatic
12:59 / 04.07.08
Which country did your cousin live in before Switzerland?
 
 
Dead Megatron
13:51 / 04.07.08
We're from Brazil. Not the worse place you can be, not at all, but far from being "orderly" as Switzerland is supposed to be. Maybe I was just working with faulty assumptions about the country? Or was that one of those "exceptions"?
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
13:56 / 04.07.08
Shinheads as well as all types of assholes can be found everywhere. I hope to think that your cousin stumbled on an exception, not the rule. I have never been to Switzerland, though.
I hope your cousin gets well soon and that it never happens again. It really sucks.
 
 
Axolotl
15:18 / 04.07.08
I just had my date cancel on me. For the third time in a row. If you don't want to go out with me say so instead of fucking me about.
 
 
Triplets
21:45 / 04.07.08
Axolotl, you can do better. Bin them off.
 
 
Axolotl
12:44 / 05.07.08
I probably shouldn't have posted in the heat of the moment - I sound far whinier than I'd like.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
14:05 / 05.07.08
So, thanks to a series of repeated delays and fuckups on behalf of lots of people, including me, it's just possible that after Monday I will have nowhere to live. I have a house's worth of the pointless crap I have accumulated to distract myself from six years in an unsatisfactory relationship and nowhere to put it, save for storage I can't afford. The same goes for the hotel I may have to end up paying through the nose for.

What do other people in these situations do, short of setting themselves on fire?
 
 
pony
18:13 / 05.07.08
friend's garages, friend's couches. this is the perfect time to call in any favors you've accrued. shitty situation, though; i was in the same boat a few months ago.
 
 
iamus
19:42 / 05.07.08
Get rid of all the shit. Sounds like you want to, man.

If it can live in storage for a while, then you don't actually need it. All it's doing is sucking up money that's better directed towards you building the sort of life that you actually want. Better doing that than clinging to stuff that represents a part of you you know you no longer do.

Burn that. Better yet, sell it. Make it work for ye instead.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
20:07 / 05.07.08
@ palace politics:- No can do, I don't have any friends. Most days I'm a high-functioning social phobic (i.e. anime fan).

@ iamus:- This is tempting... and frightening. Overcoming the nesting instinct that caused the shit to build up in the first place sounds like a challenge worth pursuing. Of course, modern technology means that some sacrifices (CD collections and such) are easier to bear than others.

Thanks for your thoughts, guys.
 
 
Liger Null
20:59 / 05.07.08
Two words: yard sale.

Thus you can get rid of some stuff while gaining a little cash to put towards a new place to live.
 
 
HCE
21:25 / 05.07.08
Megs, so sorry about your cousin. Hope he recovers quickly and has better experiences in the future.
 
 
iamus
00:02 / 06.07.08
Agreed, Megs. That's pretty fucking horrible. I hope he's ok. And remember, your life may have to come into contact with these kind of fuckwits from time to time, but at least you don't have to be them. That'd be much worse.


This is tempting... and frightening.

'Course it's frightening. That's why it's worth doing!

Seriously though, it's worth sitting down with it a bit and figuring out exactly what it's doing for you. Will you even remember having half of it after a year? And you're not running out of time to buy more stuff. Think of all that new shit you could be putting in it's place.
 
 
Mug Chum
00:18 / 06.07.08
Fucking hell, Megs. I hope your cousin recovers quickly and alright, and won't let that really fucked-up and traumatic experience fuck his head up too much. Hope his dad will be a warm comfort to him in a moment like this.
 
 
Spaniel
18:58 / 19.07.08
My wife's best friend has skin cancer. We don't see her much, but Bobosso loves her a lot.

Very, very shit.
 
 
imaginary mice
11:02 / 25.07.08
How can I tell a colleague to STOP FUCKING TALKING TO YOURSELF! YOU FUCKING MORON! IT’S SO FUCKING IRRITATING!! without, you know, sounding rude?
 
 
Evil Scientist
12:11 / 25.07.08
Just put your hand over their mouth, lean in real close and say "Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.".
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:15 / 25.07.08
Just put your hand over their mouth, lean in real close and say "Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh."

Excellent!
 
 
Dead Megatron
15:39 / 25.07.08
I had not seen the 06.07.08 comments to my post here yet, so a late "thank you for the support" to all of you. News is my cousin is much better now.

As for your friend, Boboss, this sucks. I hate cancer as much as I hate automotor accidents: the two things that took away the majority of the people I love who died. Hope her fate is full recovery and a long, happy life.
 
 
teleute
20:58 / 25.07.08
Dementia. The random cruelty. The indignity. The absolute poverty.

The absolute lack of tools for fighting it in those you love.
 
 
Tsuga
21:24 / 25.07.08
amen to that.
 
 
grant
19:28 / 28.07.08
I don't know if this shooting spree made it into the British press, but a guy with a gun just broke into a Tennessee church and started shooting:

Police: Accused shooter hated liberals, wanted to be killed

4-page letter outlines frustration, hatred of 'liberal movement'


It was a Unitarian Universalist church, of course.
 
 
Tsuga
21:03 / 28.07.08
I went to a wedding in that church two years ago, my friend was marrying the activities director of the church. They moved away right after that, and we've lost touch, but I just sent an email; I'm sure that they're freaked out. Fucking whackadoos, I feel sorry for them but I wish they'd either seek help or kill themselves before they do shit like that. I mean, a fucking children's play, for chrissake?
 
  

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