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Ticker
15:05 / 12.06.06
Specific to this thread I would like to address the issue of rape fantasies as it applies to BDSM power dynamics.

Often many people of various sexual orientations experience the desire to be on one side or the other of a rape fantasy, even if it never extends beyond a mental imagining. Some people even have desires to switch the POV and role during these fantasies. A very insightful test is the role of secret receptiveness of the perceived 'victim' of the fantasy rape. Often the excitement/focus of the fantasy is based on the 'victim' secretly desiring the act or being forced to admit their pleasure in it. For those people for which this element MUST be present in order for the fantasy to erotically function it has been reasonably suggested that this fantasy is not a rape fantasy at all but a cloaked version of Dominance and submission using the common language and symbol structure of the larger culture. The key element is the fantasy requires a moment of consent, the willful moment of recognition that the 'victim' is deriving pleasure from the exchange, and perhaps is forced to accept their responsibility of participating in the act.

Within the BDSM community there is a huge amount of discussion regarding the enacted agreed upon power exchange, a subconscious/repressed passivity on the part of a player, and the real life horror of nonconsensual violence oriented rape.

While part of the power of a taboo is the transgression, I strongly encourage people who know they are attracted to the D/s exchange to examine the language they are using to represent their desires.

I personally have spoken with a very very large number of people about the confusion and guilt they perceive in their desire for rape, when in fact they aren't talking about nonconsensual violent rape at all. They are attracted to the roles of a D/s power exchange implicitly dependent on a form of consent.

The D imagines that moment of taking control and giving the sub exactly what they secretly desire, even if a struggle occurs. In this case the D is erotically focused on the moment of surrender when the sub, over come by the pleasure (which if you're a masochist could be pain derived), admits they needed/wanted the act to occur. The pleasure of being a D in this specific case is in delivering a righteous imbalance of power.
'You said no, but meant yes, and I forcibly gave you want you wanted.'

The sub imagines a powerful but attractive D ignoring the sub's objections/justifications/virtues/status and forcing an act. In this case the sub finds the act pleasurable or extremely satisfying in some way and must admit this to themselves if not also to the D.
'I said no, but really wanted it to happen or am now glad it did.'

There are people who are sexually aroused by nonconsensual violent rape. If these people seek consensual partners to role play with it maybe fair to say they are using an appropriate outlet for their desires. If they seek to enact their desires with non consenting parties, they are engaging in criminal behavior.
If a person enacts a Dominant imbalance of power to force another person WITHOUT prior consent for that exchange, they are engaging in criminal behavior.
This has lead to very detailed and explicit contracts between experienced BDSM players to ensure clarity regarding appropriate activities.

Part of the beauty of a respectful D/s exchange is the knowledge that one is choosing to participate. Arguably that moment of consent never truly stops happening. While one person maybe controlling the pattern of events outwardly, all parties are responsible for their experiences.
 
 
Princess
13:39 / 13.06.06
I'm in a switch relationship with my dance-partner. When I'm a sub then I feel safe. I have no resposibility, I'm allowed to be weak, I'm allowed to dissapear and get lost in him. When I top the thrill is knowing he feels the same. But being in complete control is also a turn on.
Part of the power is about surrender. It's like saying "you are so wonderful, I trust you so much that I allow you to push as far as you need to and do what you need to". BDSM is a tool that allows us to a)have fun b)communicate trust c)experience loss of self\self-control.

{offtopic}Also, really disliking the "like masturbation = bad" theme further up thread. Wanking is sex with someone you love, please don't let the victorians ruin that. {/offtopic}
 
 
Ticker
19:35 / 13.06.06
Switching with my spouse is especially exciting for me. When it happens I'm crossing the lines of being a Domme (which I am with the rest of my playmates) during highly ornate BDSM to being a sub during very casual BDSM-lite. Sometimes just the sense of transgression I experience off of those role reversals causes me to laugh hysterically. It feels like the best escape from responsibility and seriousness into some sort of new badness.

The transgression in switching (for me) is playing off of my normalized BDSM sexual ethic, which I find fascinating. Though the last time I had a vanilla partner the experience was so strange it took on a surreal exotic quality.
 
 
Ticker
19:53 / 13.06.06
swashbuckling,

I think it is great you mention trust and love. I don't think a lot of people understand how Tops cherish their bottoms or vice versa.
 
 
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22:47 / 19.06.06
So, having played with a new person, I've come to a few more realizations about the way BDSM functions for me. Notably, it gives me a structure in which to communicate about sex. I have a lot of anxiety around not knowing how to communicate with people when I don't have some kind of heuristic or guideline or something. In submission, there are rules for how I should communicate, and the more I come to understand them, the safer I feel actually communicating. Thus, I have ways for asking for what I want or need, I have ways for asking for things I don't like to stop, and I have ways for communicating my feelings if they are frightening or confusing to me. At the same time, my top can deliberately put me in position where I don't understand what's expected of me, which makes me afraid— and this provides me an opportunity to face this fear with the aid of someone who understands it and is there to bail me out if necessary.

Also, it's explicit in my BDSM practice that sometimes scary feelings will come to the surface, and that they will need to be addressed in some way. In my experience of non-BDSM sex, this is not explicit, and has led to emotional discomfort. I'm expected to tell my top if I suddenly feel sad if I'm touched in a particular way, which might confuse or worry my vanilla lovers. I've had fully consensual vanilla sex where fear and sadness overwhelmed me, but I felt I had no mutually-understood framework for addressing these feelings with my partner, so the sex continued and the discomfort continued. In my more positive BDSM experiences, my top provides me with specific ways to address these feelings as they arise.

One major concern for me is why I feel I need these frameworks, or why I feel I lack them in non-BDSM situations. I don't have any answers here yet.
 
 
Ticker
15:08 / 20.06.06
entity,

I'm pretty much right there with you.
For me even if the sexual activity falls under vanilla headers I now know I need to operate within the framework and language structure of a BDSM friendly partner.

I suspect this is not a bad thing but rather that vanilla (generalization alert) exchanges are suffering from a lack of communication and range of ways to use the language. BDSM takes the novel approach of looking at the internal headspace mechanics of a sexual emotional response(s) as a starting point, not just the destination of orgasm/bonding (I should add reproduction to the list of 'normal' reasons, but it isn't one I can relate to).

I've found using my BDSM boundary negotiation kit in non BDSM relationships to be very helpful. I've even used the phrase 'put your inner Domme in charge of lending out your sub aspect' when helping friends reexamine harmful interpersonal relationships.

I'm not saying it is the best language set or the only set, but it does a much better job than silently sucking up the discomfort.

...and I think it is valid outside of a Top/bottom exchange. The idea of taking inventory and how to talk productively about sexual dynamics without triggering another person's defenses is an important addition to basic human interaction.
 
 
Jackie Susann
04:40 / 03.08.06
Okay, here's a question in the form of a fairly length ramble.

Most of the time I've been doing SM, close to ten years now (yikes), I've identified either as a sub, or a switch who much prefers to sub. I've never been especially confident as a top, and although I've mostly enjoyed the topping I've done, it's never really felt like "my" role.

Over the last couple of months, though, my latent top tendencies have run rampant. There wasn't any particular triggering incident or individual that I can think of. I was just suddenly a lot more up for topping people, and there was an accompanying shift in my way of thinking, or something, that made topping feel a lot more (for want of better word) natural - like, I wouldn't have to have a second order thought process along the lines of "What would a top do now?" Or, I was topping instead of acting like a top. My sub tendencies haven't gone away by any means, but now I feel like 'switch' is a pretty accurate description, rather than a default because I can't always find people to top me.

But no, I am not asking if anyone else has had such an unexpected shift in their sexuality - that shit happens all the time. I have a different question about something that's come up since I've been topping.

The top role I feel myself moving into is as a Daddy. I'm 27. But I definitely feel weird about being that young and taking on that sort of older role; and play partners have been clear that they feel weird or uncomfortable about it to (so I end up compromising, which is fine). So I was wondering how other people feel about that kind of age play, younger playing older? If you're a sub, would it throw you to play with a youngish guy who wanted you to call him Daddy? If you're a top, how would you feel about a youngish guy who played like that?

My experience is that this kind of ageplay is much more common for leatherdykes. Maybe that's because any dyke who's interested in Daddy/boy play is already crossing a gender barrier, so it's less of a stretch to cross an age one as well. Or it might be, and again this is just my experience, that leatherdykes more than other kinds of leatherfolk (gay male or straight) are into roleplaying more than rigid roles.

Another thing that's struck me as interesting in my new bi switch identity is that it seems many straight female subs refuse, or prefer not to, play with switches. I think this is hilarious, because there is barely a top alive who wouldn't switch in a second for a hot scene.
 
 
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06:52 / 03.08.06
Actually, it's my experience that many tops will not switch— some have a lot invested in their topness. But I (perhaps unreasonably) have more faith in a top who will switch than a top who won't; I think switches make better tops. But then I'm not a straight woman.

And playing with someone my age who wanted to roleplay as an older person wouldn't throw me, it would be hot. But I have a lot of resistance to "Daddy"ing someone. I just can't deal with that kind of relationship play. I don't want to call someone I'm doing sexy things with "Daddy," it makes me feel uncomfortable. (Oddly, I would have no such problem with "Brother" scenes or "Teacher" scenes; it seems to be the combination of ageplay with incest implications.)

So, that's my personal experience and feelings about what you've posted. Oh, but I did want to say that I can identify with your journey into topness a bit— what holds me back from being toppy, besides the fact that I'm really lazy and like to be "done to," is a lack of confidence in my own skill... and the more I've played with people the more that confidence has grown, which frees me up to take more pleasure from topping.
 
 
Ticker
13:15 / 03.08.06
I suspect you may have fallen more into an issue regarding the nuances of a particular archetype than just age play. The Father and its more playful aspect of The Daddy are one of the most loaded/charged archetypes you can inhabit during play.

As id's post brings up, there is the aspect of incest but with it are bundled the unique fear of the Protector Gone Bad in a way that many other archetypes don't have.

A lot of people who are comfortable submitting to an Authority may be squeamish about submitting to the Patriarch (the shadow of which falls across the more playful Daddy incarnation).

I suggest you explore what it is about the Daddy you find attractive and then ask your playmates to openly detail their total reactions to the archetype (not you wearing it).
You may find these folk just don't want to go there as it is an extremely challenging arena of baggage.

Alternatively you may find modifying the archetype as Sugar Daddy steps you further away from the Father and closer to a more playful manifestation.

It can be difficult when our definitions of an archetype differ dramatically from those held by the people we want to play with. Often discussions will help dissolve misperceptions and bring the players greater insight.
 
 
Jackie Susann
22:07 / 03.08.06
I'm clear that the issue, both for me and the people I'm playing with, is about the difference between real and fantasy age. I think, on my part, its mostly about developing more confidence and psyching myself up. But I have pretty good negotiation skills, and two people so far, who like Daddy play, have straight up told me they can't get into that role with me because I'm too young (I'm 27, but most people say I look younger).
 
 
Ticker
01:42 / 04.08.06
In that case something is up with either their imaginations, your ablity to pull off the archetype, or their sense of comfortably telling you the truth. Plenty of fathers are under the age of 25 or even 20.

Perhaps you just need to wear the skin longer AND I'd suggest wearing it when you court partners. If you make it the default aspect they know of you then that will be what they are attracted to.

I've experienced people of all ages shift personas and it is really just a matter of how invested in the persona they are.
 
 
Jackie Susann
00:16 / 05.08.06
Is it really inconceivable that some people's Daddy fetishes have to do with chronological age?
 
 
Ticker
12:40 / 06.08.06
Er, from my POV yeah. But then I maybe spoiled by a community of people who pride themselves on really great imaginations and roleplay skills.

Shit I know a 24 year old pro-domme that can pull off one hell of a Daddy scene.

But that said I can of course understand that some folks may just need a silverback for the job. I would rather encourage you to know that you an find playmates with whom you can do a great job of it no matter what your actual age.
 
 
Jackie Susann
20:31 / 06.08.06
But then I maybe spoiled by a community of people who pride themselves on really great imaginations and roleplay skills.

Where do you live? Cause I am like totally coming to visit.
 
 
Ticker
17:46 / 07.08.06
::GRIN::

My community is bigger than my physical town o'residence (thankfully).
Some of my community is a few hours away in either direction, some of them are on the West Coast, and I have plans to extend my 'e-veal' into the UK.

You can PM with where you are and I'll check and see if any of my kinfolk are near you.
 
 
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00:39 / 09.08.06
Are there any people in the room who are dominant by preference? What do you get out of topping? What do you want in a bottom/submissive? Specifically, is it preferable to have a bottom/submissive who, once having made the choice to "be yours" trusts completely and does not question your authority, or one whose decison to submit to you is constantly being tested and reaffirmed?
 
 
Ticker
12:10 / 09.08.06
Are there any people in the room who are dominant by preference? What do you get out of topping? What do you want in a bottom/submissive? Specifically, is it preferable to have a bottom/submissive who, once having made the choice to "be yours" trusts completely and does not question your authority, or one whose decison to submit to you is constantly being tested and reaffirmed?

Hand up in the air.

What do I get out of it?
A deep sexual and emotional satisfaction. A place to manifest aspects of myself I cannot do outside of the shared space.

What do I want in a bottom/sub?
Honesty, willingness to explore personal limits, eroticly charged masochism, a great imagination, and more honesty.


For me a bottom is someone I constantly negotiate the play with. A submissive is someone who accepts what I'm doing with only their safe word/action. Both require a sustained proven sense of trust. To make things slightly more complex the same person may chose to enter a scene as either a bottom or a sub and I will shift to be either a Top or a Domme to suit.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
23:16 / 09.08.06
I don't know, id, that it's even possible for a bottom or a submissive to trust hir top/dom completely ever. I don't know what complete trust would look like. I'm speaking as a switch here -- I've never known anyone I've played with on the bottom to trust me completely, even after years, and I couldn't say that I've been able to trust a top absolutely, even after years. Trust is something that mutates and grows, it's never static, yeah? I think as a top you earn trust, by showing that you can guide someone through the scary places that BSDM provokes. But I don't think it's reasonable for a top to demand that a bottom/sub trust hir completely at the beginning of a play relationship. I know many make this demand, but I think that tendency is more related to the top needing to bolster hir ego than anything else. I'm sorry to say that in the past, when I've asked that a bottom trust me without an understanding that an absence of trust in some areas doesn't mean we can't do other things, it certainly has been about bolstering my own ego. Having someone trust you is pretty fucking powerful. But I compare that to the amazing thing that happens when a person's trust of me changes, over time, and they become willing to go somewhere they've been avoiding, or have been too frightened of -- a new role, some kind of new play, whatever. It's a totally different order of trust. It's something you've won, and if it all goes right, and you're trustworthy enough to be a good guide, you get to watch someone enlarge the boundaries of what ze thought was possible. Which is a huge privilege.

(And that's why I like topping: it's a kind of service.)
 
 
Ticker
13:19 / 10.08.06
There's a lot of levels to the trust issue.

There's the trust of self : (Top & bottom)
Can/should I do this thing?
If I do it, will it end up being harmful?

Trust of other: (Top & bottom)
Will they respect my safe word /Need for honest feedback?

When I Top I automatically assume the bottom is going to unconsciously misrepresent their limits partly due to not knowing them and partly due to wanting to be courageous.
As a Top I know I will intentionally project a greater level of confindence than I feel at all times because it's this surety that helps the bottom release control. (mind you being concerned and double checking important things does not read as lack of confidence it reads as being invested in Doing the Job Right.)

When playing with someone new all of my work is focused on developing trust and mutual understanding. I set up guidelines and adhere to them. This doesn't make me predictable in the choice of action rather it conveys my investment in the guidelines we have chosen to set up together. I'm also a stickler for my bottom to be honest about how they are feeling which can be very difficult for people who have communication issues or are afraid of rejection. Better not to play than to play badly because someone is sick, tired, or really focused somewhere else. This takes a lot of reinforcement to make sure they know they can choose not to play because they feel like ass and that choice is a Good Thing.

For me the trust is built as any friendship's is. You learn a person's area of flaws and over sights and reliability. Eventually you both trust each other's nature and build paths of communication to help with moments of disappointed expectations and accidental slip ups.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:26 / 11.08.06
(I just want to say that I'm am loving this discussion. I may contribute, but even if I don't, I want to honour the articulacy and honesty and pure fabulousness of the posters here. Oh, and, incidentally, admit that I was 'hoopla', all that time ago. )
 
 
Ticker
15:30 / 12.08.06
GGM am I to understand that your old suit kicked off this thread?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:00 / 13.08.06
(xk: back in the day when we were allowed multiple suits, I set up hoopla to ask the question. I can't quite remember why I wanted to do that, I think because I thought if I was asking as 'me'/GGM, I might get more 'respect'/deference and I didn't really want that. Think I also wanted to see how open HS posters would be to a newbie. So hoopla was my 'disguise'!)
 
 
Elettaria
18:15 / 15.09.06
Going back slightly, can anyone remember who it was who said that in one sense, there is no such thing as a rape fantasty from the point of view of being raped, because in a fantasy you are controlling the action as you are the one imagining it, but if you are actually raped you do not have this control? Angela Carter, possibly?

I'm not into BDSM and don't like sexual power games personally, though I find them fascinating theoretically and realise that some people get a great deal out of pushing their limits. However much I might prefer equality in my relationships, I do hit one problem in that I am disabled and don't have many of the options that other people do, due to fatigue (both physical and cognitive), weakness and potentially pain (certain activities rapidly cause muscle pain, for instance). With a good partner, this still means psychological equality, mutual satisfaction and safety, even in situations where I am too exhausted to make decisions. So in some ways powerlessness isn't something that's up to me (e.g. sometimes being so exhausted I can barely turn over or speak), and in other ways it is (e.g. choosing to be with a partner who would ask if there was anything I needed such as food or medication, rather than making a move on me, at such a point).

I am constantly negotiating power relations in my daily life as well, far more since I became ill. For instance, on Monday in the hospital I had to keep pointing out to the medical staff that I have hearing and memory problems and wouldn't remember much of what they told me, so could they please write it down. On the one hand, at least I got some of it written down. On the other, some of them immediately started treating me like an idiot and dismissing some of my concerns, so that I had less chance of getting questions answered and found the experience more distressing. So in some ways it was an empowering act to put myself in a less powerful position by admitting to (medical) weakness, and on balance the preferable option. Not entirely sure how far that might be getting off-topic, but sexual power relations aren't just restricted to the bedroom, either in origin or in effect, and politics of the body aren't just sexual.

How do you feel that ties in with BDSM issues? Anyone else out there with disabilities, and if so, how do you find they relate to sexual power issues for you?
 
 
Elettaria
18:39 / 15.09.06
Actually, expand "disabilities" (itself rather a controversial term) in my last paragraph to include other physical issues, whether it's one partner having fairly bad myopia (what's the power situation when you can't see your partner's expression once they're a certain distance away from you?), or someone having to work round occasional back pain.
 
 
Ticker
04:23 / 17.09.06
Bob Flanagan was a fairly well known performance artist and BDSM practitioner dealing with his painful cystic fibrosis.

Some forms of BDSM do not involve power exchanges at all but rather focus on the wiring of individual's pain/pleasure and other physical experiences. Other forms of BDSM do not involve sex or sex acts but seek to examine the power dynamics erotically fueling parts of the participants' lives.
 
 
Elettaria
11:39 / 17.09.06
Interesting, what did Flanagan say about how his cystic fibrosis connected with BDSM for him?

Attitudes to pain and pleasure are also going to be pretty different for someone who has pain inflicted on them daily without their consent. Which reminds me that I have a cousin who's an international pain expert, from the patient-led point of view (runs various organisations despite being very heavily disabled, amazing gal), but we're not quite close enough for me to ring her up and ask how she's found it relates to her sex life (she married a year ago) and whether she likes anything in the BDSM area. I suspect her first concern in sex would be not to dislocate anything or otherwise do anything that would land her on morphine. Which reminds me, I wonder if there's anyone out there using their prescription drugs in their sex life to alter sensation or perception?
 
 
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17:10 / 17.09.06
Hey, El, thanks for posting. It's good to hear your perspective here.

I actually know/know of a few people with pain conditions who are into BDSM. Patrick Califia, for example, has FM. I think for them one way of dealing with daily non-erotic pain might be to work with pain in an erotic sense as well. And I would imagine the endorphin release can make quite a difference to someone who is never or almost never without pain.

For people who have difficulty physically having intercourse, different kinds of sensation play (which could be categorized as BDSM or not) leading to orgasm (or not) might be the way they can have sex. But you're right that there would be power stuff going on there as well, especially in cases where one person was more able to give sensation to the other. As I've said perhaps too often, I think there is power stuff going in in every relationship. For some people the goal is to minimize that and get as close to equality as possible, and for others the way to deal with it is to make the power dynamics explicit and get a good handle on them that way.

It's complex. Which I think is okay.
 
 
Elettaria
17:49 / 18.09.06
As I've said perhaps too often, I think there is power stuff going in in every relationship.

Couldn't agree more. I'm speaking from the viewpoint of having had enough trouble with unequal power dynamics already and wanting some equality to make up for it, but I actually find that making power dynamics explicit is often precisely the way to achieve this, though it may be better done subtly. I suspect that I may be putting as much effort into creating an illusion of equality, to make up for blatant physical inequality, as a couple who are roughly equal to begin with might do to create - I'm not sure how to describe it or even what it is, a staged (and usually temporary?) inequality? "Illusion" isn't quite right either, since psychological equality is quite real and what's most important here. Nevertheless, there is a layer of illusion around, pretending things are what they are not, and not mentioning something can sometimes be the better option, even in the name of good communication.

I've noticed these sorts of power issues a lot more since acquiring a walking stick last year. It's a big signifier socially and you get stared at plenty, especially when you're young and invisibly disabled. I get a lot more startled looks the more I present myself in ways that clashes with stereotypes about disability, for instance cleavage, a snazzy hat or (perfectly sturdy) high heels, and I still haven't quite figured out what I'm disrupting there. People not wanting to think about pain (which brings us back to BDSM) or illness, making people with disabilities a taboo population and sexy people with disabilities unthinkable? Walking stick = grandparents = ick, I don't want to think about that? Incidentally, my grandmother had five husbands, still managed to have one of her four children out of wedlock, and got up to quite a bit of mischief in the nursing home with a chap of over ninety.
 
 
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21:24 / 18.09.06
Mmmhmmm, I've heard from kinky people who use walking sticks that they sometimes get to a sexysexparty and someone will have the gall to suggest that they should leave the walking stick at home because it "kills the mood" or some stupid shit like that. The better to beat people with it, I should think. Jeez.

Every relationship is unequal, I think, as long as one or both of the partners are thinking in terms of "power over" rather than "empowerment with". If two people are really dedicated to empowering one another/empowering the two of them together, then an imbalance of power just makes no sense conceptually; I can't even hold those two things in my mind at once. I think then it's the inequality that is the illusion. Even a D/s relationship can be like that, and that's sort of my ideal.

In my own current relationship, where I am submissive, I often feel the need to have time where my partner and I can set aside our D/s roles and act, if not as equals, then as equally as we can given that he is significantly older than me (time to resurrect the age difference in relationships thread, I think), much more well-off, has cisgender privilege, and by virtue of being older has had more time to grow into full knowledge of himself than I have, time which he's taken advantage of. I still would say that I respect him in a different way than I have respected other intimate partners, but the illusion of equality gives me an opportunity to rest a little and let down my guard on that extra level of respect. I'm also interested in finding a second relationship partner who is more my equal in age and means and who is more inclined to let me lead. I think that would make a good balance for me, and wouldn't disturb the dynamics of a relationship which is on the whole working well for me.
 
 
Ticker
19:33 / 19.09.06
Every relationship is unequal, I think, as long as one or both of the partners are thinking in terms of "power over" rather than "empowerment with".

I agree in fact I've been close up and personal with D/s relationships that had the greatest amount of equality I've ever witnessed in a relationship. Each person's voice and needs were weighed equally. It was very inspirational to be around.

I find even in relationships that don't have an overt D/s or BDSM element to them that I rely on the language set to help clarify and give structure to interactions. It remains for me the best and quickest way to get someone to stop being passive aggressive and bring their desires to the forefront of their experience where they can take responsibilty for what they want out of our interaction. Then we can negotiate honestly or at least to the best of our abilities.

Upon reflection I'd have to say I use the language sets of BDSM and polyamoury all the time in interpersonal negotiations even when the relationship has nothing to do with sexual interaction. It's the way I form social contracts.

To speak on the issue of appearances I've often found BDSM a great leveler in the sense that someone who is a great player may not be physically attractive to me but their skills and presentation prompt me to be attracted to them. Personal charisma has a lot more of an effect on me than say physical ability. I've found that people are really just differently abled rather than disabled in many activities. Someone who already has a high pain tolerance offers me a very different area of play than someone with a lower threshold. One of my playmates was diabetic and working around the issue of slow healing time forced me to be more creative in our play.
 
 
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21:09 / 19.09.06
What would you say the language sets of BDSM and polyamory consist of, xk?
 
 
Ticker
15:00 / 20.09.06
My first response was 'checklists and contracts'.

I'm writing something more useful I'll post in a bit.
 
 
HCE
09:32 / 23.09.06
Just a quick note to say that I too would like to hear about language sets, xk.

Don't have much to add to this topic but am learning a lot by reading. Thanks, everyone.
 
 
Ticker
11:41 / 25.01.07
Anyone else going to the NELA Fetish Fair Fleamarket this Sat January 26?
 
 
Princess
18:59 / 25.01.07

Not me.
 
  

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