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Kill Bill - Tarantino's Latest

 
  

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Goodness Gracious Meme
08:36 / 11.11.03
ooh, well on first impressions i had the feelng about 1/2way through that it wasn't going to hang together/was drifting but emerged at the end with a massive grin, having thoroughly enjoyed myself.

more later.

(oh, and haven't read the thread so have no idea if i'm alone on this but mmmmm, Uma)
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
08:38 / 11.11.03
mind you, agree on the wish-fulfilment/wankfest element, especially re the scene where Lucy Liu and her gang pimp-roll into the restuarant... you can practically *hear* Q creaming himself...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:00 / 11.11.03
He's not alone though, is he?
 
 
Quantum
15:11 / 11.11.03
Hell no...
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:47 / 11.11.03
Is it true that they're going to make an animated prequal or sequal to Kill Bill done is the same style as the flashback?
 
 
Tamayyurt
04:08 / 15.11.03
Also the band that was playing at the House of Blue Leaves... are they a real band or a fictional band made up for the movie? Cause I thought they were great and would love to hear more of there stuff. If they're real, what's their name?
 
 
Tamayyurt
04:11 / 15.11.03
*I can't believe no one's mentioned that the band playing at the House of Blue Leaves is the 5678's! When I saw their name in the opening credits I got very excited indeed.

Never mind, somehow I missed this part of Count Adam's post.
 
 
CameronStewart
13:55 / 15.11.03
http://www.fujiiya.com/the5678s/discography/index.html
 
 
rizla mission
18:15 / 15.11.03
It's the 5678s?? Oh wow! There's a track by them on the CD Saveloy sent me the other week and it absolutely destroys! rock!

Anyway, sorry to crash this thread so late with my "well my 2 cents is.." style opinions, but I was sans internet for a few days after I saw Kill Bill and couldn't gush and enthuse.

Along with Pitates of the Caribbean, this film is EXACTLY what I want to fucking see when I go to the cinema!

It's basically a film about coolness. It's so, so cool it just drips coolness. And not shitty Matrix Hollywood commitee designed cool-ness - it's the real deal. Everything is just perfectly arranged for maximum coolness. Tarantino has his foot on the coolness fountain and the waterfalls of cool are just goin whooosh.. I must have gone "COOOOOL!" about forty times during the film (only occasionally out loud though you'll be pleased to hear).

And it's SO well made - I've always reckoned QT is an excellent director regardless of the numerous valid criticisms of his scripts, and I think this film proves it.

And "Oh wow! It's 'Nobody but Me' by the Human Beins! Soundtracking a kung-fu battle! That's... OH DAMN IT QUENTIN, YOU'VE DONE IT AGAIN!"
 
 
CameronStewart
15:18 / 16.11.03
>>>And "Oh wow! It's 'Nobody but Me' by the Human Beins! Soundtracking a kung-fu battle! That's... OH DAMN IT QUENTIN, YOU'VE DONE IT AGAIN!" <<<

Yeah, i must say that's one of the bits that I absolutely LOVE.
 
 
Saint Keggers
18:55 / 19.11.03
Saw it Monday.
It was one of those films where I left saying I liked it alot, then became one of those Im not sure why I like it alot, I need to see it again to make sure its as good as I think it was.
I loved the animation sequence but thought it went on a bit too long in comparison the rest of the film (maybe this will not be so once both films are joined as one).
The bloodfountain wounds were hilarious...I kept thinking of The Black Knight in Holy Grain.

Id love to see a whole bunch of mini-films or Anikillbills showing more of the characters creations and story.

And the music soo fucking rocked. Didnt like Gogo Yubari though.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:27 / 24.11.03
Holy shit, I loved this movie.

>> Because she lives in a world where there's a special place on deck for your samourai sword on every Japanese airline. ;]

YESS!!! Not only does Uma have her sword with her on the plane and not in her luggage, but someone sitting across the aisle from her has a sword with them too! I'm serious, check it out.

Uma's feet WERE surprisingly unattractive. The rest of her looked great! I guess QT really does have a foot fetish.

LOVED the use of the 50s/60s rock & roll song "Nobody Does The Shimmy Like We Do" during the hackfest where Uma takes on the Crazy 88s. "Leave your limbs, they belong to me now!" priceless.

I also loved the spanking of the Yakuza kid wannabe. And Charlie Brown.

A few questions:

1) I thought Uma's neck should show some red marks during the final fight with O-Ren after she was strangled for a bit by Gogo's chains. But her neck looks pretty clear, I noticed it because the rest of her is so cut up and blood-spattered. There's a shot of her right as the fight begins where her neck is clearly lacking in any marks whatsoever.

2) Would the human body really bleed like the Black Knight's torso if an arm got cut off? Just curious.

3) Uma says her legs "entropied", when she really means "atrophied." Anyone else catch this? I distinctly heard it. An error, or QT's way of leaving in an error to evoke the B-movie nature of the 60s/70s kung fu films he loves so much?

4) Is Sophie a quadrapalegic in the end scene? What do you think? I kept thinking QT would pull back and show us Sophie's all-limbless self, but thankfully he left it up to our imagination. Do you think Uma had to tortue her so much that she lost a few more limbs?

5) Even though Uma's the hero, was she just as vile a killer and assassin as the others in the gang? Will we find out why they betrayed her in the second film?

5) Great soundtrack - I don't know the Wu-Tang stuff but I want this soundtrack. And it makes me want to learn more about The RZA's stuff. Is that pronounced "Rizza" (like shizzle my fizzle) or "The Are-Zee-Ay"?
 
 
at the scarwash
17:51 / 24.11.03
The RZA is pronounced "Rizza," generally. And yes, his soundtrack work is hizzot. The Japanese version of the Ghost Dog OST is well worth hunting for. It has more incedental atmospherics and cues than the more vocal hip-hop oriented US version.

And yes, Uma is exactly as vile as the rest of the Venoms. The camera just rides her shoulder instead of theirs.
 
 
rizla mission
17:53 / 24.11.03
It's Rizza I believe. And you surely do want to learn about his stuff.

YESS!!! Not only does Uma have her sword with her on the plane and not in her luggage, but someone sitting across the aisle from her has a sword with them too! I'm serious, check it out.

Something tells me this could be a tribute to some film or other.. just a hunch, but it seems like precisely the kind of detail the Tarantino mentality would pick up on and quietly recreate.. "oh man, they're taking their swords on the plane.. just like that? oh, wow, that is so cool..!" etc.
 
 
CameronStewart
19:47 / 24.11.03
>>>LOVED the use of the 50s/60s rock & roll song "Nobody Does The Shimmy Like We Do" during the hackfest where Uma takes on the Crazy 88s.<<<

That's "Nobody But Me" by the Human Beinz, mentioned just a few posts up.

>>>Would the human body really bleed like the Black Knight's torso if an arm got cut off? Just curious.<<<

I don't think so. The huge geysers of blood are an idea taken from Japanese samurai movies like Lady Snowblood (one of the touchstones for Kill Bill).

>>>Is Sophie a quadrapalegic in the end scene? What do you think? I kept thinking QT would pull back and show us Sophie's all-limbless self, but thankfully he left it up to our imagination. Do you think Uma had to tortue her so much that she lost a few more limbs?<<<

I expect so - she says that she's going to cut off some more body parts:

"And I promise you, they will be parts that you will miss. Now gimme your other arm...!"

And she tells Sophie that she is going to leave her alive so that Bill can see her mutilated body. So yeah, I'd think that she's missing a few more limbs...
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
21:28 / 24.11.03
I just watched the copy I have here at home and it looks like Sophie has 1 arm and two legs when the Bride rolls her down the hill.

I was thinking she might be even more diarmed, myself.
 
 
CameronStewart
23:49 / 25.11.03
>>I just watched the copy I have here at home and it looks like Sophie has 1 arm and two legs when the Bride rolls her down the hill.<<

You're totally right. I forgot about that, and I saw the damned thing three times.

You dirty pirate thief.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:40 / 26.11.03
That was an amazing fucking movie. A pretty bad film, but a amazing movie... which, I believe, was probably the point.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:52 / 26.11.03
God, I hate the film/movie distinction.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
18:00 / 28.01.04
You dirty pirate thief.

Hey, they stopped showing it at the local theatre (So I only saw it twice on the big screen) and it's not out on DVD. Hence, Kazaa. Desperate times call for desperate measures and all that...

Not that I touch Kazaa these days... bleh.

Arrhhhhhh.
 
 
agvvv
18:11 / 28.01.04
If your downloading movies(or anything really), I highly recommend using BitTorrent (http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/) you can find all your essential downloads(including Kill Bill DVD rip) at Suprnova.org.. AAARRRGGH
 
 
Simplist
19:56 / 28.01.04
I couldn't shake the feeling that I'd been watching several hours of fanfiction, or movie-buff wish-fulfillment. "Oh yeah? I'm gonna write my _own_ kung fu movie! And, and it'll have hot chicks, and they'll be like Charlies Angels, and it'll have Kwai Chang Caine in it, and all of the music and stuff I like, and really big swordfights, and Bruce Lee's jumpsuit!!!"

This is spot-on, IMO, with the caveat that the fan making the fiction happens to be an absolutely prodigous craftsman when it comes to filmmaking. That said, for all the stunning craftsmanship of the film I can't say I'm all that excited for the second half--I'll certainly see it, of course, but if it never appeared I might not even remember to miss it. While the movie was near-perfect for what it was, somehow it lacked that special something that would've created a compelling anticipation of the finish.
 
 
+#'s, - names
03:22 / 04.02.04
so totally ridiculous.
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
06:36 / 04.02.04
Sucked.

There was some nice design, some nice cinematography, a good anime sequence, and... well, there you have it. The fight choreography left me utterly bored, because it was all kill and no battle. I got the feeling that if this had been a porn movie, it would have descended into a 45-minute sequence of cumshot after cumshot after cumshot. Maybe it's a chick thing, but I need foreplay.

I was also irritated by deliberately stupid choices, such as Uma Thurman waking up and immediately saying "four years!", as if she'd had a calendar inside her head during her coma. Next, in that same scene, Tarantino closed in as he made her wank up a fake cry for her lost baby, whereas I much prefer directors who use a more indirect way of showing emotional distress, because as it was, I was watching an actor cry, not a character. I wish Fassbinder were still around. On the other hand, if it was Tarantino's intention that I not give a shit about his heroine, then fine.

I don't believe that everyone in the world finds Uma Thurman's feet as fascinating as Tarantino does.

And with such inspired writing as
"Silly rabbit."
"Tricks..."
"...are for kids."
I just might have to hang up my gold-nibbed pen for life and choose another career, like selling mulch. Having said all this, I will probably see the next one, but not if I have to wash my hair that night.

Oh wait! I do have one good thing to say. In the final showdown, there was a sequence that seemed almost a minute long where Uma and Lucy were staring each other down, neither one making a move, and the excellent souped-up mariachi in the soundtrack was so full of momentum and energy; even though the actors were in almost total stillness, it gave the impression that the fight was in full swing. That was exciting.
 
 
autran
22:42 / 17.04.04
wembley: Sucked.

Hai. Big Hai.

The fighting was not good enough. In a martial arts movie nothing can make up for that.
 
 
Lord Morgue
00:47 / 18.04.04
Eat of my flesh.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/161186
And please, NEVER again use the phrases "Star Wars" and "Naked Emperor" in the same breath. (SHUDDER)
 
 
wicker woman
08:14 / 18.04.04
I'll leave it to someone else to start the thread on pt. 2, 'cause I really don't fucking feel like it right now (absolutely brilliant cap to KB as a whole, I'll leave it at that for now).

I'm wondering, for those of you that have the soundtrack for 1, it does include the score for The Bride vs. O-Ren Ishii, yes? I swear to god, I rewound that section of the movie a number of times just because that piece was so damned cool.
 
  

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