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Attack of the Clones

 
  

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The Natural Way
14:17 / 24.05.02
Faaauuuhuck. The "Boooring!" bit in my last post refers to Negasonic's fascinating new angle.
 
 
some guy
19:18 / 24.05.02
God forbid we talk about anything deeper than light sabres and spaceships.

But yeah, the Jedi jumpship thing was cool. I always like the Empire's walking vehicles, too...
 
 
videodrome
19:22 / 24.05.02
Finally went out to catch Send In The Clones last night and my one word review is:

Shit.

I'm very saddened by Lucas' public outing of himself as a man unable to communicate on any real level with other people. The guy's locked in his little Star Wars cage and just ain't getting out any time soon. Somewhere, on this thread or elsewhere, there was a quote attributed to Lucas in which he said that he'd no idea people didn't like The Phantom Menace. How can anyone be so insulated that they'd spend their entire life working on something and not listen to criticism? He doesn't have to act on it, but at least listen, fer crissake. The two new films show such a utter disregard for basic storytelling and audience connection that I can't imagine what it's like to live inside the head of George Lucas.

There's the defense that the films are essentially for kids, to which I say: bugger off. Philip Pullman's books are for kids, and I don't feel insulted at all whn I read them. Quite exactly the opposite. If Lucas was half the visionary he'd have people believe him to be, there'd be no hiding behind thin justifications for terrible dialogue and utter lack of character.

Lucas has only one real job in the three prequels: make Anakin Skywalker a sympathetic character so that we're hurt and saddened when he falls to the dark side of the force. There's no real mystery to the plot details. Anakin eventually gets together with Padme because they have to have kids, and then he falls, more than likely taking her with him. The Jedi fall through the Clone Wars and the Empire rises. Even the method in which Anakin becomes so physically destroyed that he must wear a walking hospital room to survive is known to the more, erm, dedicated of the fanboy contingent. There's fun to be had in playing that all out, but the important thing is that Lucas is telling a story we already know, so he's got three films worth of time in which to create and destroy his central character.

And he's blown it. Anakin is just a twat.

As written by Lucas, Anakin is just as whiny, petulant and generally irritating as his son. We've sat through Luke growing up; why is Lucas treating his audience to more of the same? I think the answer is that he doesn't know how to do anything else. AotC should present us with character who is strong and perhaps overconfident to the point of fault, in a way similar to that of his mentor. The similarities between Anakin and Obi-Wan are to be built upon; one goes in one moral direction and the other falls opposite. It's the same freaking preacher/outlaw character pair that's in every film Lucas is drawing on for the Star Wars mythos. Instead we see Anakin Skywalker, a selfish, arrogant little twat and it becomes very difficult to see exactly why anyone is putting up with this kid. That doesn't even get into the fact that he's supposed to make a former queen/galactic senator fall in love with him, but see the dialogue snippet below for more on that issue. There's no hope to be had here, and that's where the difficulty in writing up to a foregone conclusion becomes apparent. Because we know Anakin becomes the most evil bastard in the universe (or at least the second), Lucas has to work extra hard to make us believe that he fell in the first place. He's not doing it. As the first two films have gone, I'd be hard pressed to believe even that he was pushed.

I feel bad for Hayden Christiansen, because it's apparent that the kid's working here. But when you've got to speak lines such as "I wish I could wish these feelings away," what's a guy to do? There's just nothing for him to work with, and as this film went on (and on and on) I began to have the sinking feeling that Lucas really doesn't have a handle on this, that he's pulling it all out of nowhere the each day before shooting. I was deadened and finally irritated by the utter lack of conviction, of feeling of any kind, in this film.


A number of things that occurred to me:

Count Dooku. I mean, really. Why does this character's name have to be Count Shit? There was not a single person in my audience last night who was not laughing when the guy's name was spoken. NOT ONE. Can't imagine that's the point of the character. Get rid of an 'O'. Count Doku is fine - Japanese connotations, very powerful Samurai gone Ronin, trying to make himself a master. But Count Dooku? Jesus.

And more naming conventions: There just isn't time to have Palpatine be Sidious be the Emporor, for Dooku to also be Tyrannus. It's just confusing, as is all of the plot of this film. Or, to amend, the presentation is confusing. It's no problem to have Dooku be acting as a feint to draw out the Senate, etc. The way Lucas writes it reads like a fifth grader's story. And then, and then, and then, but suddenly! and then THE END.

That being said, Christopher Lee is really the only saving grace in the film.

Lucas also fails to recognize when he's got a good character on his hands. To wit: Jango Fett. The guy's got about fifteen minutes of screen time in this bloated, overlong film, before he's summarily dispatched. Utterly foolish. But that should hardly be a suprise, given that his son is treated the same way, years later. Er, was treated, years ago. And even then, when you get right down to it, these characters are great because they LOOK great. Boba Fett was never developed. He got to be a badass, silently, until a mistake by a half-blind old smuggler unceremoneously did him in. Well, OK, the couple of lines where he stood up to Vader helped. But still. A chance to further develop the thing and this is all we get? Bah.

A snippet of dialogue cut from the film:

ANAKIN

"Padme, I just massacred an entire villiage. Real Da Nang sort of stuff. But you'll still 'do' me, right?"

PADME

"Oh, Ani."


The reflexive stuff really got to me. It's so distracting to be continually reminded of other films by using the same fucking dialogue over and over. Parallels are one thing, but egregiously reusing whole scenes because you've got nothing else up yer sleeve is just sad. Did they have to fly through a giant asteriod in an asteriod belt? Kenobi hide on the back of another space rock? Anakin lose the hand? Anakin and Padme stand together as Ani flexes his new appendage? No. Probably not. With a bit of, what is it...oh. WRITING. It might have worked. Bah.

The droid assembly setpiece. Just a videogame, and an entirely pointless one at that, given how it ends. Perhaps in the Special Special Edition of ESB Lucas will have Han Solo make his way though one of Bespin's famous maze-like kitchens, avoiding cranky Ughnought cooks before arriving at the banquet hall to be confronted by Vader. Then the two films would be even more alike. And I spent that entire segment of the film waiting for 3PO to get onto a Battle Droid Commander line or something so he could get painted freaking GOLD and it never happened. Bah.

And the visual style of the film takes flat, needlessly distant composition to a new low. It's sluggish and generally uninteresting to look at. All the CGI detail is just noise. There's no need for most of it and I for one am not particularly impressed by seeing a new type of ship every 30 seconds. Sell More Toys! More than that, the action is slow, uninspired. I don't know if it's the high relieance on CGI that limits camera movement/angle/placement or if there's just a severe lack of imagination and filmic intuition on that part of Lucas and David Tattersall. I'd give 50/50 as to how that falls. And while the experienced actors do their best to work without physical sets, it's quite obvious that many of the ringers playing the backup Jedi force have no idea what they're doing. Some of those guys look like people who can't remember where they've parked the car.

The one thing I did like about the film is the way that, visually, the emergence of the Empire is becoming apparent. The Republic symbol, so similar to that of the Empire. The prototype star destroyers at the end of the film and, obviously, the stromtroopers. And I like the vague visual suggestion, begun even in TPM that Coruscant may in fact be the Death Star - because of the great circular motif seen on the planet and the very Death Star-like construction extending out from the citadel of Sidious. This can't be the case, since we see Coruscant in the shite SE's, but I'll live in my own world on this one. But in my own world, this film has always been called The Empire Strikes - ironic considering the references to TESB.

But that's all I liked.
 
 
YNH
22:24 / 24.05.02
And I spent that entire segment of the film waiting for 3PO to get onto a Battle Droid Commander line or something so he could get painted freaking GOLD and it never happened. Bah.

Shit. Me, too.

But the real questions are: "Will you see it again," and "Will you go to Ep III?" Right?
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:43 / 24.05.02
I'll probably sneak in to see it again...

probably sneak in to see Ep3 as well...
 
 
ill tonic
00:17 / 25.05.02
VIDEODROME STRIKES AGAIN!!!

Well said, my friend.
 
 
ill tonic
02:53 / 25.05.02
Two hundred and fifty posts about a movie that(whether you liked it or not) most of you admit is crap ... gee zuz!

Excuse me, I have to go find a life now.
 
 
ill tonic
05:48 / 25.05.02
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

pardon my rot
 
 
videodrome
12:20 / 25.05.02
Will I see it again? No.

Will I see EPIII? Dunno. Probably, since I've come this far and I'd like to believe that he can pull it out of his ass, even at this stage.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
11:14 / 26.05.02
so after watching the smallvillw eason finale i realized something
these unknown tv writers have made lex luther a likeable guy, and we know what he becomes. Lex is a better anakin than anakin is.

Kinda sad when you realize lucas has had 20 damn years to polish the script.
 
 
Molly Shortcake
03:26 / 27.05.02
I just wanna C Yoda kick sum @zz. It can't possibly be any worse than Blade 2, can it?

I thought about it real hard and have decided that Jar-Jar barely edges out Yoda as the illest rhymer on Star Warz Gang Star Rap 2.
 
 
bio k9
06:43 / 27.05.02
I skipped the last two pages of this thread so forgive me if someone has already mentioned this stuff (but the back and forth of the aliens as racist stereotypes just got to be too much for me).

So what was Jango Fett Supposed to be doing - Was he in on the whole both-sides-against-the-middle plot as was implied by his presence at Dooku's side or not? what was his motivation anyway? I am bounty hunter - i am bad? Why was his DNA specifically chosen for the clones? Guess we'll never know now - since he was dispatched with such consumate ease. Was he really just this week's rent a villian to be dispatched at the end of the flick?

I thought that it made perfect sense that Jango Fett went down as quickly as he did. I saw him as this cool looking guy making a living off of his big reputation. He shows that he deserves his reputation just by fighting and escaping Obi Wan but he later goes out like a sucker to Mace. His son (a clone) has the same rep, mainly because he gets to stand next to Vader, and he gets knocked into the Scarlacc pit by a blind guy. The stormtroopers from the later movies can be assumed to be more clones of this prone to disaster DNA. Maybe theres even some sort of loss of intelligence that goes on with each batch of troopers. That would explain why they seem so damn worthless in episodes IV-VI.

As for the droids: Why should Uncle Owen recognise an R2 unit 25 years later? And why would he recognise C3P0? He isn't even gold yet...

I wonder what the next one will be called. In Episode IV Ben tells Luke "I fought beside your father in the Clone Wars." but this was just the opening battle. Hopefully the next one will have even more battles when the clones start taking orders from the Emperor. I want to see why Yoda ends up in the Dagobah system. Is he hiding? Guarding something? Or just waiting for Luke to show up? I thought his fight scene in this one was cool but I always imagined Yoda as the one Jedi that didn't need a lightsabre, I thought he would just kick ass with the force.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:45 / 27.05.02
Yoda should've had a white lightsabre.
 
 
bio k9
08:08 / 27.05.02
Well, fuck me. I just went back and read the rest of this page and it looks like videodrome beat me to the punch. Ah, well. Time to geek out with Runce...

I always imagined Yoda floating around and waving his little staff at people while using the force to crush AT-ATs.

Just downloaded the 1978 StarWars Boba Fett cartoon from Limewire. Fun fun fun.
 
 
bio k9
09:52 / 27.05.02
Downloaded the Yoda fight scene too.
 
 
that
10:02 / 27.05.02
I will go and see it again, because I am a sad fuck. No excuses. And I will go and see Ep. III, most certainly. Oh well...
 
 
bio k9
08:18 / 28.05.02
But have you played Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:44 / 28.05.02
I think that the next one will probably have either "Jedi" or "Sith" in the title... something like "Fall of the Jedi", "Rise of the Sith", "The Sith Kicks A Lot of Ass, and All the Jedi Do is Whine About It"...
 
 
Hieronymus
17:24 / 28.05.02
Anybody else heard that Lucas is having Natalie Portman do some minor scene work for ANOTHER GODDAMN revision of Return of Jedi? This from Dark Horizons:
The bigger news of today though was MTV apparently re-iterated rumours that Natalie Portman has signed on to be a part of the new scenes being filmed for Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi - she'll shoot scenes during the production of Episode III which'll then be reinserted to the DVD release of 'Jedi'.

Y'know, I wish I had the lack of talent to constantly edit and change my stories after they've been released into the public forum and have thousands of my bloodthirsty fans dig into their wallets and pay me in reward for doing it. The old bastard'll be releasing the Original Star Wars Trilogy: Super Special Swear-To-God-This-Is-the-Last-Change-Special Edition well past his grave I bet.

Just leave it alone, George. For the love of god, just leave it alone.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:46 / 29.05.02
No, you see he's touching up all the old films. Don't give a shit, so long as it all looks nice. Tres post-modern fiddly fiddly.....
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:24 / 29.05.02
Thank God I'm not a Star Wars fan, takes being ripped off to new depths.

(He says looking covetously at B5 DVDs)
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
11:40 / 29.05.02
great, new scenes in jedi, with an all new all different no talent actress, hooray!
 
 
Jackie Susann
03:49 / 31.05.02
I really liked it, the dialogue is great - what do you want? Going to a movie called Attack Of The Clones looking for characterisation is pretty fucking... If it makes you laugh and smile, who cares if it's (technically) 'good' or 'bad'?

Two things which annoyed me - the only motivation anyone seems to have for turning bad is a parent getting killed. Why is Bobba Fett evil? His dad got killed. Why is Anakin evil? His mum got killed. It's not even oedipal, it's sub-pop-Freudian family values shit.

Also, something none of you have said (I think), the Aussie crew I went with were all shocked at the Maori clone army. What, all Maoris look the same? Yeah, we need an army of soulless obedient killing machines um... how bout the indigenous population? Yeah good one. (Half-regrets throwing fuel on the racism debate.)
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
04:47 / 31.05.02
I should mention that I saw the film again last weekend, and I liked it a lot more going in to it expecting exactly what I was going to get, and intentionally turning off the more critical parts of my mind.
 
 
Ellis says:
05:40 / 31.05.02
I saw it last week and was stunned by just how bad it was, seriously I can't think of anything positive about the film whatsoever.
A really bad, dire, monotonous video game advert.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
13:27 / 07.06.02
Fucking right. Go, Ellis...
 
 
grant
18:16 / 10.06.02
The Ewoks speak a modified Tibettan, and Huttese (Greedo, Jabba, Bib Fortuna) is based on Catua. (I won't be surprised when I finally discover that Geonosian is based on Swahili or a close cousin.) Lucas uses accents to "develop characters as well as ambiance."


My mother could understand some of what Jabba was saying in Jedi, because she understands some Swahili. The way I understand they do languages is by translating dialgue into three languages or so, then splicing the sentences together, virtually. Take grammar from one, and vocab from the other two.

The new aliens still remind me of Butterfly McQueen, Charlie Chan and Cheech Marin.

Here's the final word on race in the new movies:

 
  

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