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Attack of the Clones

 
  

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sleazenation
15:18 / 15.05.02
Ah yes that most trusted of reviewers, 'the bloke of the telly' derriving his mystical aura of authority from the fact he appears in a TV show... This actually highlights something coomented upon recently in an article on the BBC website (for which i have no link...) that paid for 'critics' had become sidelined and irrelevant with their proclamations and reviews - good or otherwise having little or no effect on the public's decision to see a film...
 
 
Sandfarmer
19:33 / 15.05.02
I'll be seeing it in about 6 hours. As long as it has lightsabers and space ships, I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I've got the soundtrack CD and the music is phemomenal. That's at least 25% of why the original films were so good. (Of course, it does not explain why Harry Potter was so horrible. Williams worst score ever.)
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:04 / 15.05.02
My 14 year old brother's theory:

"If Attack of the Clones is really bad, they probably won't make another one even if it makes a lot of money cos no one's going to see Episode III if everybody hated the last two consecutive movies."

So young, so naive.
 
 
Warewullf
01:24 / 16.05.02
Well, I've seen it. Just bak from a 00.10 screening in Belfast.

It's good.

It's very good.

Little ropey plotwise (and CGI-wise) in places but it looks fantastic and has some great action sequences.

And they've made Naboo into, hands down, the most beautiful place I have ever seen.
 
 
YNH
03:29 / 16.05.02
The 3rd film will consist entirely of Lucas shooting Chewbacca, Han Solo, and Boba Fett in the face, then having sex with their corpses, all the while screaming "Do ya like this, fanboy?? HUH???"

Sometimes I just love you all to pieces.
 
 
Captain Zoom
06:10 / 16.05.02
Just got back from the 12:01 showing this evening.

Lucas redeems himself.

It's an excellent movie.

Zoom.
 
 
Thjatsi
06:33 / 16.05.02
I just saw it. I think it's the best Star Wars movie so far. However, I feel obligated to mention that my criteria for ranking Star Wars movies consists almost entirely on the lightsaber fights and explosions. Dialogue is not an issue.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:12 / 16.05.02
Originally posted by Ganesh:
Ahhh, "talent" - that strangely-unquantifiable ambrosia whose absence is apparently unequivocal - making a rare sojourn from the Music forum...

I'll thank you to take that back. There haven't been any sightings of the 'pop stars have no talent' meme for a good few months. And long may that remain the case.
 
 
Sandfarmer
13:25 / 16.05.02
I saw it last night and really liked it. I'm dying to see it again.
There were some akward moments in the romance department but no more so than say Titanic or any other film with teen romance.
 
 
kid coagulant
13:44 / 16.05.02
Did the audience hiss at Jar Jar when he/it came on the screen? I've read a couple of reviews that made note of that.
 
 
Loomis
13:49 / 16.05.02
How does yoda look in cgi?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
16:28 / 16.05.02
Yoda is arguably the coolest person in the movie.

It's good. It's not world-shaking. Lucas hired himself a writer this time, and, shock, the movie makes more sense and has some decent dialogue (emphasise 'some').

It's too long. The Jedi (especially, alas, Obiwan) don't come off as the sharpest tools in the box. But it's watchable and cool and engrossing, and there's not a lot of Jar Jar.

Did I mention Yoda?
 
 
Captain Zoom
16:36 / 16.05.02
Yes, Nick, yes you did. But I'll mention him again for both of us.

Yoda.

Oh, Yoda.

I had to take umbrance at some of the cinematography. Zooming in during battle scenes and such I really didn't like. And I didn't feel the chemistry between Amidala and Anikin, but then it was early, early in the AM and I think that may have been clouding my jedi senses.

My brother said it's right up there with Empire for him, and I'm inclined to agree. How long now till Episode 3?

Zoom.
 
 
Saint Keggers
18:57 / 16.05.02
Well I just got back from seeing it..mesa lika alot!
Little bit of jarjar just to remind you of what a great man lucas has to be for not putting anymore jarjar in.
I was dissapointed with lightsaber battles though..the fights were too short. And why dear god why was C3PC doing comedy??? but I still like it.
And anikin got a bit too Wesley Crusher in parts.
 
 
Harold Washington died for you
21:05 / 16.05.02
Soooo much better than Spider-Man. Portman was absolutely beautiful (amazing abs too), Christensen didn't suck, and Yoda is a true Jedi master. Not as good as Empire but probably a close second, and the various combinations of theoretical mayhem required to link the end of this movie to the start of A New Hope have me very excited for 2005.

It isn't art but entertainment, and those of you who like the Star Wars story and want to see another chapter of it will be entertained thoroughly. The Clone Army getting on those Star Destroyers with that music! in the back directly manipulated the pleasure centers of my brain (and Portman's abs)
 
 
Margin Walker
00:10 / 17.05.02
Sandfarmer wrote: There were some akward moments in the romance department but no more so than say Titanic or any other film with teen romance.

God, the romance scenes were literally cracking me up. I swear they must have done those scenes a dozen times before Lucas could get the actors to keep from gut-laughing at the campy dialogue.

"Your kisses burn me. I'm forever scarred--scarred for life!!"

That aside, it was good. It didn't rock my world or anything, but it was good.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:14 / 17.05.02
That fucking rocked. Yep, the romance scenes got a lot of laughs, which I don't think was the point, but fuck it- anyone who's going to see this for the dialogue is in the wrong movie.
Literally just got home, and am about to punish my tired little brain further by staying up for hours playing various Star Wars related computer games. Even toyed (briefly) with the idea of changing my dog's name to Yoda when I got in... but figured having been called Biscuits for seven years she may find a sudden name-change a little confusing. Either that or she'd think I was a sad cunt.
That fucking ruled. Okay, so it looked like it was starting to derail itself in the middle, but when it got back on track it was just awesome.
Yoda.
What a fucking dude. (Though it would have been better if he'd said "Fuck you Dracula" to Mr Lee.)

Only one criticism... NOT ENOUGH FUCKING JAWAS.

I like Jawas.
 
 
luminocity
01:23 / 17.05.02
I have seen god, and his name is Yoda.
Other good bits: obvious rip-offs of dialogue in old films
eg 'Are you alright' or whatever from stormtrooper to Amidala on sand dune ala Luke to Leia in cell.
 
 
Margin Walker
04:28 / 17.05.02
Hey, am I the only one that heard Liam Neeson? Right after the scene with Anakin & his mother you can "Anakin, no!", which sounded alot like a Qui-Gong soundbite from the first/last film. Anybody got any idea why they put that in the film?
 
 
YNH
04:42 / 17.05.02
The Hills of Naboo are Alive with the Sound of Music...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
04:47 / 17.05.02
I want to live in a world where people do not clap in movie theatres.

I just got back in from seeing it - I have a lot of mixed feelings about it. In some ways, it was really fun, a good space adventure. I'm happy that things actually happened in this story, and that it was mostly true to all the things I really loved about the original trilogy as a little kid. Overall, it's very good, and is about as good as Return of the Jedi.


SPOILERS.


When I think of the flaws, my opinion of the film drops significantly.

The "romantic" scenes were poor, just absolutely horrid.


"I hate sand. It's irritating. NOT LIKE YOU."

(kissssssss)


What? I just feel bad for Natalie Portman, her character is so flat and dull, she has no choice but to act stiff and generally lack charisma entirely.

Was there any good reason for shoehorning Jar Jar Binks into the film, besides George Lucas' stubborn refusal to admit that the entire planet hates that character with a deep burning passion? Well, everybody except for the fatbeard a few rows ahead of me who kept chuckling at his lines.

I was very offended by the return of the Watto character, this time making the anti-semitism behind that character more blatantly obvious than the last time by giving him a scraggly little beard and a small black hat, making him appear to be a Hasidic Jew. WHAT THE FUCK? When you consider this sort of anti-semitism, is the scene with the stormtroopers at the end merely a direct visual reference to Leni Reifenstahl's Triumph of the Will, or is it a loving homage? This really troubles me, especially since the horrible Asian stereotypes from The Phantom Menace are in this film too. These characters are superfluous - Lucas clearly is adding them in because he thinks they are funny, revealing his bigotry without shame.

I think that overall the clone/droids/Dooku plot was too confusing, I know that my poor mother was confused as hell afterwards as my brother and I attempted to explain what was going on. Basically, Dooku was acting as a double-agent, tricking the Trade Federation/Separatist folks into creating a crisis that Palpatine's clone army could stop, after giving him dictatorship of the Republic. The scheme also seemed to deliberately force Anakin and Amidala together, and kill a whole bunch of Jedi.

The story was clear moment to moment, I don't think there were parts where the audience was thinking "huh? what?"; but as a whole, it seems like a big mess of events that seem important but have little resonance. This film is incredibly insular, it certainly is only trying to appeal to its core fanbase at the expense of reaching out to a wider audience. It suffers from the same problems that most mainstream comics have for the past twenty years, and it's a shame.

What did you all think of Lucas deliberately recycling his own themes/motifs/iconology? There's so much of it throughout the film, sometimes it seemed like a hermetic vacuum of self-reference. Most of the time it felt like the goal was to make the audience feel safe in its familiarity, either that or Lucas was just throwing his hands up in the air and saying "well, I've run out of new ideas! I'd better go back to the greatest hits!". Being less cynical and giving Lucas the benefit of the doubt, I can imagine that it's his attempt at making the series something like a palindrome of motifs and events, that it all adds to the consistency of the series.

I did like a lot of it too, but my misgivings about the film are what linger in my mind after having seen it. I enjoyed the scenes in the beginning with Anakin and Obi-Wan in pursuit of the bounty hunters on Coruscant, the subsequent duel between Obi-Wan and Jango Fett was a lot of fun and visually exciting as well. There were a lot of good action adventure bits, little fan-pleasing tidbits scattered throughout. That's all cool with me. With the exception of some awkward looking alien characters, the film looked really beautiful. I know a lot of people really like the Yoda vs. Dooku duel, but I think it was very anticlimactic even if it was sorta neat to see the little guy jumping around Matrix-style. Whatever. I liked Anakin's fascist/genocidal tendencies too, making his transformation into Darth Vader a bit less drastic.

If I have to pick a side in the Attack Vs. Spidey debate, I'm definitely siding with Spider-Man. It's so much more fun, clear, inspiring, and audience-friendly. Still, I think that Attack of the Clones is a pretty satisfying Star Wars movie. Outside the context of Star Wars, it's not much at all.
 
 
Tamayyurt
05:17 / 17.05.02
It was boring. Too much talking and it was niether clever nor important. The Jedi's are dense as hell! Their excuse: "The Darkside clouds everything." Please! No wonder they're an endangered species.

The Yoda fight was awesome but that's it... it was no better or worse than say Starship Troopers.
 
 
Bear
06:34 / 17.05.02
Well I'm another one that saw it last night, I thought it was ok but thats about it. The battles looked great and I know as people have said the films aren't about dialogue but fucking hell that Anakin guy was terrible, everyone in theatre kept laughing surely that isn't a good thing, I kinda felt sorry for the person I was with who's a bit of a Star Wars fanboy, I thought he was going to stand up and one point and tell everyone to stop laughing

But yeah it was alright fun, and Yoda did indeed kick arse - Jedi Style.

The next one though, its going to be amazing - hopefully.
 
 
Bear
06:39 / 17.05.02
Oh yeah and am I the only one starting to hate CGI, its fine for the close shots when they blend it with live action but when they use it for wide shots it looks like the movie has changed into an animation, bring back little plastic ships I say !
 
 
that
07:21 / 17.05.02
I think you'll find that R2D2 is actually god.

Anthony Daniels! Anthony Daniels! Anthony Daniels! turned up to stand on stage and chat to the audience for a while at the showing I went to. That kicked serious arse, and made it worth getting home at nearly 4am. Anakin Skywalker, petulant teenager, was all I had feared he would be, and more. The romance scenes were laughable, the dialogue was excruciating. The whole audience was laughing at what were supposed to be high emotional moments - I was alternately laughing and holding my head in my hands, muttering 'kill me, please'. It did descend into total self-parody at times - sometimes, it did appear to be deliberately tongue-in-cheek, but surely, surely, not all the fucking time...

I did not wanna see Boba Fett as a little human kid - that just ruins the mystique completely, dagnamit.

Special effects were very good, but it's all so damn shiny now... at least some of the costumes are still v. Blake's 7 held-together-with-velcro-ish. And, the genitalia in the arena scene were more blatant than I have ever seen in even an SF film before. Lots of bits were really exciting - the chase scenes particularly, some of the battles... There were a lot of bits for the fans, like the Yoda fight - and some of the tongue-in-cheek stuff was certainly aimed at the adult audience... I liked it, but I am emotionally invested in the whole Star Wars thing, and I even liked Episode 1. Unfortunately, this just didn't do it for me in the same way...

I do wanna know how Mace Windu got a purple lightsabre though...
 
 
YNH
07:32 / 17.05.02
He asked uncle George if he could be special.
 
 
Bear
07:37 / 17.05.02
Its also got BMF (Bad Mother Fucker) written on it they say.

I'd be interested to know what the kids opinions of the movie was, has anyone took any little ones to see it yet?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:45 / 17.05.02
Oh yeah... another point in its favour... there was none of that bollocks about Midichlorians. Which made the Force cool again.
 
 
sleazenation
08:14 / 17.05.02
So what was Jango Fett Supposed to be doing - Was he in on the whole both-sides-against-the-middle plot as was implied by his presence at Dooku's side or not? what was his motivation anyway? I am bounty hunter - i am bad? Why was his DNA specifically chosen for the clones? Guess we'll never know now - since he was dispatched with such consumate ease. Was he really just this week's rent a villian to be dispatched at the end of the flick

And more to the point - what a missed opportunity. The new films have lacked a loveable rogue in thew mould of han solo thus far- Jango fett could have filled that role as another problematic protagonist whose influence ultimately helps the dark side.

Oh and the use of count Dooku as Darth tyrannus (Sideous/Palpatine's new apprentice) kind of invalidates Darth Maul's presence in the last movie. I had assumed that Maul's death was meant to foreshadow the need for a replacement sith apprentice in the shape of Anikin... apparently not. So why not hyave Dooku as the apprentice all the way through, building him up with successive appearences to have him finally dispatched in ep III.

ah well. That said, i did enjoy it. Not as much as i thought i might but enough to get my £10's worth. And yeah the audience participation was fun- especially the collective laughing at the crap dialogue.

Oh and anthony Daniels was a nice surprize too.
 
 
Saveloy
08:55 / 17.05.02
Re: the dialogue

There was a short interview in the Grauniad yesterday in which Lucas was asked to explain the dodgy dialogue, especially the romantic bits; his answer was to remind the interviewer (Emma Brockes) that the film series was inspired by those cheesy but enjoyable matinee adventure serials they used to show in the 30s and 40s (Flash Gordon, Rocket Man etc) and that the script was true to that genre/style. Whilst I'm not sure that the dialogue in those series was quite as bad, I think it's a pretty good answer and it's what I'll try and keep at the back of my mind when I go and see the thing (as well as the fact that it's a kids film, and no healthy child will give a toss about the bloody words). He then went on to do a little speech about how everyone - and the critics especially - has forgotten that cinema is a visual medium, not a literary one, and that it's meant to be a spectacle (something which Peter Greenaway has been at pains to point out in the past), and I had to cheer that.

Of course, you could also argue that, really, it's highly realistic to have teenagers expressing their love for one another in the dopiest, clunkiest ways imaginable, but that's probably pushing it a bit.
 
 
Dee Vapr
11:05 / 17.05.02
Margin Walker, this if from theforcenet:

>>>3. The next voice you hear - Yes, that is Liam Neeson's deceased Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn you hear speaking from beyond during a lightsaber battle. George Lucas advises Qui-Gon's words reveal a plot point for the coming Episode 3.

!

The film kicked arse, btw, flawed, but visually an absolute feast. Second best SW film yet?
 
 
Knodge - YOUR nemesis!
12:10 / 17.05.02
I agree with a lot of what has been said above. Dialogue was poor in parts but visually this film was impressive. I thought it had some great pieces such as the Jango/Kenobi battle, the Yoda/Anakin/Kenobi/Dooku fight, the chase through Coruscant and the battle in the arena. I also liked a number of the plot developments, including Anakin's impetuousness and his underlying belief in fascism, the Emperor's manipulation of everyone, and the creation of the clone army (the clone march at the end added a nice sense of foreboding). In terms of quality, I would place it as third amongst Star Wars movies (behind The Empire Strikes Back and A New Hope.

I felt that the film moved along nicely and tied a great deal together. It can certainly be argued that it was insular... however it would be interesting to approach the film as someone who has not seen the first three episodes.

Flux, I am not sure I understand the 'Asian stereotype' bit. Is it a reference to the dialect of the Nimodeans(sp?)?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
12:11 / 17.05.02
Dialogue?

I came out of the film convinced there'd only been talking for like twenty minutes in the whole movie.

I loved Episode One, but mostly because two fantastic set pieces (podracing/lightsaber battle).

This film had like twenty!!

The Coruscant chase would have been a centerpiece in any other film, but here it's just starters...

And I'm so glad I didn't spoil this one...I was surprised tons of times and...

YOOODAAAAAAA!

From the opening tilt-up to Coruscant, my jaw did not leave the floor...

God damn that was a fun-ass movie.

I think that was the strongest feeling from leaving the film. Really, this saga is not really any kind of "epic", just a fifty year long adventure pic.

Fine by me.
Benjamin.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:12 / 17.05.02
Well...I really enjoyed it, actually. Having low expectations helped - it made the good stuff doubly good; and there was a lot of good stuff: the adverts in Coruscant, the overpolite cloners (they'd have got me as a kid - "they're really silky and refined...somethings not right here.." Reminded me of Bespin), Anakin getting all dark side, the Imperial Guard, the red rings around Palpatine's eyes, the corrupt lineage, running from Yoda to Anakin (the core's all rotten), the portable, mini jump-gate, C3PO's supposed to do comedy, Yoda in the dance, Anakin's a great whiny predecessor of Luke (the bad acting actually helped), wicked action generally and shut up, it was much better than Episode 1.

It felt like Star Wars to me, inspite of convoluted plot and some poo dialogue (I say "some", cause, like Nick says, there was some good stuff also). So, great, I had a good time.
 
 
gentleman loser
18:12 / 17.05.02
What really bugs me is that people will lap up any eye candy shit that Lucas churns out, no matter how bad it is. If the public has no standards then we are guaranteed to have lots of shit movies.

It is long overdue to raise the standard for SF movies beyond cool effects. If crap sells, than I guess nothing is likely to change.
 
  

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