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Lost - Season 6 (Spoilers)

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Haus of Mystery

09:44 / 11.03.10

we're an atomised group

10:02 / 11.03.10

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ONLY NICE THINGS

10:06 / 11.03.10

I get it, Boboss. They miss you. Barbelith had forms of these kind of outbreaks every so often pretty much ever since you got married - reactions to the band breaking up, sort of thing. It's a shame that nothing's come up in their lives since to fill that Playstation-with-Boboss shaped hole, but, hey, here am I on Barbelith having this conversation, so motes and beams.

Besides, see how excited they are about having your attention here! You've pretty much made their week just by acknowledging their existence. The power of love, eh?

10:27 / 11.03.10

'Swot I said.

10:31 / 11.03.10

Weirdly it's as if they're trying to drag me back to Barbelith.

I'll bow out now and wait for boredom to overwhelm them. Time crushes all.

10:36 / 11.03.10

Okay, you know there's a logical flaw there, don't you? That said, I do sympathise.

11:23 / 11.03.10

Miserable. Old. Bastard.

16:36 / 11.03.10

Wait a second -- is the actress playing Jacob's guardian (Innana?) the same who played Pulo's woman in Season 2 of Rome??

To IMDB.com....

20:32 / 11.03.10

Yo homeys, I am doing a live Lost radio show these days, got 2 locked up in the archives so far if you wanna check it out.

Basically I'm doing them thursday nights at 10pm, and completely live which I think adds a fun feel to the show, as people can call in or post in the interactive thread on Lostepedia.

Here's a link, if you are able to listen tonight that'd be awesome, if not it usually archives within an hr or so after broadcast

Live Lost Radio

11:25 / 12.03.10

Unless someone wants to flesh this thread out - and I don't - I'm going to move for a deletion.

20:34 / 12.03.10

What?! Why delete the thread?

07:10 / 13.03.10

Christ, Mist, look upthread! That isn't me in the post above

13:30 / 31.03.10

I've noticed with each new episode there have been more jokes made by the characters at the expense of the increasing goofiness of the show.

Last night's episode for example -- Sawyer asking Lock/Black Smoke why he can't just turn into smoke and fly over the water..."Oh, because that would just be too weird." Or Miles with his, "Why don't you ask the guy who communes with dead people."

At first I thought this was the writers trying to be too cutsey with the audience, but now I'm wondering if there is something deeper going on.

It's just hit me that the best ending for this series would be a Jodorowsky/"Holy Mountain" thing -- the producers could walk out from the jungle. "Pull back the cameras! Let us leave the holy island...real life awaits us."

07:22 / 01.04.10

Also Miles: "She knocks her head and forgets english? And we're supposed to buy that?"

It's like a typical abed community metajoke.

I don't expect anything anymore from this show. For it being the last season, they're going too slow on giving answers and having payoffs. It's harmless fun but since they can't do their "ha! a new mystery!" spiel anymore, it's become so irrelevant. Why care about new characters like Ilana, Temple Others or Widmore's Tina Fey geologist?

Only six episodes left and no reason to care about what happens in the LAverse. I keep watching for Sawyer, Hurley, Miles, Ben and Desmond. The writers can stuff all the rest in a pipe and smoke it.

13:48 / 01.04.10

I'm kind of with you, but on the other hand a part of me enjoys that they've basically said "fuck it."

My only thought on the alternate reality is that it will become the REAL reality in some fashion...they will all go on living together in the real world, off the island....

Well, as I wrote that I realized how stupid the idea is. Yeah, the alternate reality just can't be salvaged, though I'm hoping they've got something in mind.

14:51 / 01.04.10

I don't think it's so much a lack of questions being answered. What's really left to cover that's not been? We know what the island is and the overall deal with why it's there. There's still a bunch of Dharma related stuff that's mysterious and some other smaller issues, but I doubt a lot of those will be covered at all.

My big problem with the season isn't the lack of answers, it's the lack of an actual narrative. What's happened on island over the course of ten episodes? People went to the temple and sat around, then the group split up and sat around at two other locations. Then, Widmore came to the island. That's basically it, and no characters have their own arcs or any sort of emotional hook. It's just waiting for stuff to happen.

I think there's still some cool stuff going on, and people like Sawyer and SmokeLocke at least get interesting things to do, but I'd much rather see the screentime devoted to the alt-verse spent giving people in the actual world of the show something to do.

18:37 / 07.04.10

Wow... that was... just... beautiful.

That episode pushed all the right buttons.

20:40 / 07.04.10

I agree.

But man, what a great and humorous Lost moment there at the end -- crazy-eyed Sayid jumping out of the foliage, breaking the necks of two men, then telling Desmond as he holds a gun on him, "These people are very dangerous."

Uh...okay, Sayid.

10:30 / 09.04.10

Something I saw on another forum:

When Faraday died he had his journal on him, Eloise read the journal, and she kept it. The timeline split when Jughead went off. Therefore she still had the journal and knows of the alternate timeline. It would still have "If anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume will be my Constant", which is why she would always be weary of Desmond for years to come. In another words, Daniel's journal survived the dimensional rift, and Eloise has information that happened in the original timeline.

00:25 / 15.04.10

Desmond is going to fix everything...

14:08 / 15.04.10

The series can't end fast enough in my opinion.

Just everything has been wrong this season...everything to the core. These off-handed, casual "solutions" to the various ineffable mysteries are just so frustratingly blase...oh, those whipsers in the jungle? They're just ghosts, that's all. Oh, and Richard? He's immortal, because Jacob touched him. Yep, that's it...

Valuable time is wasted on the alternate reality...and I can sort of see how this might be vindicated; perhaps fake world Locke will save the day by battling Smoke Monster Locke...but I ask you: was any of this storyline fucking necessary?

Did they NEED to create an alternate timeline in which the characters play out mostly the same storylines, learning the same lessons as in the "real" reality -- only to have it all come to a boil of "hey wait a sec -- this reality isn't what's supposed to have happened!?"

In other words, couldn't they have just let the show play out on its own already-established terms?

It's like the writers are just incompetent. As others have mentioned, still introducing new characters even though this is the final season and we should spend time on the culmination of major character's story arcs. And what's worse, they can't even commit to the new characters -- the elusive and just-so-damn-mysterious Japanese dude, dead on arrival. And now Illeana, or whatever her name is, Jacob's henchwoman -- blown up arbitrarily by dynamite. It's like they're throwing everything into the blender and they're coming out with mush.

07:51 / 16.04.10

Yes, with five episodes left it's not looking good. Desmond running over Locke was so out of character and crazy. Probably he wanted to give him a near death experience similar to how Charlie gave Desmond one driving into the harbor. And what are the odds Juliette and/or Jack will operate on Locke?

I just hope for more Hurley, Ben and Desmond adventures. Sawyer, Kate, Charlie, Sayid, Claire, Sun and husband are basically extras by now.

09:32 / 16.04.10

I hope we get to see a little bit more juliette before the season is out. She really was one of my favourite character.

Totally loved 'Everybody loves Hugo'. I'm glad the connection between the two realities has now been established, was thinking they were trailing that out a bit. Was also awesome to see Libby.

I've really enjoyed the last two episodes. They are everything this long time watcher could have wished for.

16:29 / 16.04.10

Still hoping they go into a bit more depth as to what exactly is going on with Locke / Smokey. Ever since the early episode this season where he encountered the kid, and ended the encounter by falling to his knees and yelling "Don't tell me what I can't do!", I've been wondering if it was just some personality remnant, or if there was some sizable part of Locke left in there.

18:32 / 16.04.10

or if there was some sizable part of Locke left in there.

Why would there be a part of Locke left in there? That is not Locke's body. His body was in that footlocker, remember? The MiB only has Locke's appearance.

22:14 / 21.04.10

"If anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume will be my constant."

So Desmond seems to be totally clued in, at least in the LAX-verse and maybe the island-verse as well. Hopefully he'll explain some of it on camera.

Is he gathering a group of like minded heroes to his banner to right the right that went wrong?
Does else anyone reckon Sayid might not be as doomed as he seems?

I first thought thought that the LAX-verse was a COMPLETE waste of time, then I started to think that the denizens of LAX-verse would do something to cause theirs to fold back into the other since people started "seeing" the other side (where Fringe never happened) but with no impact on the island-verse. Then for a while I thought it might go the other way as the LAX verse is working out so well for so many of the Losties.

Now it looks like it looks like LAX-Desmond is now the "Living Receiver" to use Donnie Darko terms, and is going to do something big so that the island-verse becomes the main time line, again (from his perspective).
I'm just hoping that there's some bleed through of the actions/memories from LAX as otherwise it's back to a complete waste of time.

Could it be that Desmond, Charlie, Sun, and Locke (he's gotta be walking soon)and maybe Faraday too cause a temporal conflagration that will undo the damage the nuke did sinking the island in the 60's BUT still place the islanders on the time travel trail back to the present and restore the island?
Does that make any sense?

Essentially I reckon that flash sideways are actually still flashbacks, taking place in a temporal bubble that starts when the nuke goes off but ends when the inhabitants do something to put the island back before it found Desmond...the first time.
Donkey wheel anyone?

03:59 / 22.04.10

Why would there be a part of Locke left in there? That is not Locke's body. His body was in that footlocker, remember? The MiB only has Locke's appearance.

The quote I mentioned. It seems like there's leftover remnants there, and it seems like the rigmarole required for Smokey to have killed Jacob would have a cost to it. Not that there's been direct evidence of the latter (besides the quote itself and certain other behavioral tics), but then, where did the quote come from? That was very, very much something Locke would say. In fact, he said it multiple times throughout the series, particularly early on.

00:25 / 07.05.10

I have to say I'm quite devastated about Sun and Jin.

08:27 / 07.05.10

I was expecting one of them to die, not both.

14:10 / 07.05.10

It's looking more like the altverse will become the "happy ending"-verse for the Losters. Note how they are all together, etc...who knows.

I have to say though, the Sun/Jin reunion was ineptly handled, just another instance of the subpar writing this season. We've waited years to see those two together again...but then they blew it, showing them together (again) in the altverse BEFORE they showed their big reunion on the island! Talk about gutting your dramatic potential!

21:15 / 07.05.10

Why care about the LAverse Kwons? The real characters from season 1 - 5 are dead.

13:07 / 12.05.10

Re: Last night's Jacob-centric episode:

Man, that was stupid.

That was really, really, REALLY stupid.

I felt like I was watching Saturday-afternoon cable TV nonsense like "Legend of the Seeker."

Actually..."Legend of the Seeker" is better, because it has gorgeous women in revealing leather costumes who make out with each other...

13:16 / 12.05.10

Anyway, to ponder the steaming pile of crap we were just served...

Jacob is more of a tool than previously thought.

Given that his brother apparently died for real -- the Smoke Monster isn't just Jacob's brother in a new guise, it's a malevolent entity freed from within the godlike core of the island, one that can take on any shape, and for centuries (?) assumed the guise of Jacob's brother...and now assumes the guise of Locke.

Which basically means the Smoke Monster is what? The devil? Ah...if Lost goes all this time only to end on the usual bs judeo-christian note...I will write a letter to my congressman, I really will.

At any rate it's limping to the bitter end.

Bonus note: loved how deadly Jacob's island-mother was with rocks!

13:23 / 12.05.10

And finally, while I'm on a roll...

I ask you: What if last night's episode had been the very first episode of "Lost?"

Would ANY of you have continued watching?

11:23 / 13.05.10

I suppose that would depend on whether we jive with your opinion of the quality of that episode...? I personally don't. The acting from the kids could've been better, but I disagree that the episode is the crime against humanity you're making it out to be. We got the answer about the skeletons, some background on the motivation of Jacob and his 'brother', the origins of the smoke monster, etc etc etc.

I'm not really sure how you're getting from Jacob's brother (Esau?) being replaced by Smokey to omg-Lost-is-biblical-allegory boo hsssss, either. Beyond their names, where exactly are you getting Smoke Monster = Devil? Their names and the over-arching 'good vs evil' thing seems like pretty tenuous ground to base that assertion on.

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