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Lost - Season 6 (Spoilers)

 
  

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Keith, like a scientist
20:24 / 04.01.10
Ahoy! We are about a month away from the premiere of Lost's sixth season, and we can all (provided anyone is still around that wants to discuss it) start the pre-airing speculation. There have been a few interesting promotional bits going around, the most recent of which is:



There's also the quite striking and ominous TV commercial for Spain's Cuatro TV channel, which can be seen HERE.

Lastly, there was a Lost art exhibit which would take forever to explain, but had to do with a series of posters being produced about Lost, the last of which is said to contain two spoilers about the season. Haven't really read any good theories about it, yet, but here it is:


Obviously there are rampant spoilers around the net for the coming season if you want to look hard enough. I've been doing my best to stay pure and only look at officially released promotional bits and interviews. But I love to think about the possibilities. Here are some questions that will need answering:

1. Did the bomb reset the time line? Or just kill some people in the past?
2. Is Jacob actually dead? What did he mean by "They're coming."
3. Who exactly is Jacob and more importantly who the hell is "the man in black"? Obviously, he's been masquerading as Locke, but.... beyond that? I'm fairly convinced he is the smoke monster, but...
4. Is the "loop hole" some sort of rule that they can't directly kill each other?
5. Where did forever young Richard Alpert come from? Apparently he's also known as Ricardus.
6. Statue of Tawaret? What for? How was it destroyed?
7. What's with all the Egyptian stuff?
8. What will we find at the much talked about Temple location?

Thoughts? More questions?
 
 
Spaniel
08:09 / 05.01.10
I'll be watching but I feel that the show is going to have work very hard this season to stoke up my Lost passion. It seemed to me that too many elements were in play at the end of last season. The revelations, instead of pulling together what we knew in new and interesting ways opened up further possibilities, which to me felt like a bridge too far. I was happy with the landscape we had - I wanted to spend the last 16 episodes or so mapping that stuff - instead we've been given more to consider and I didn't want that.

Here's hoping that everything comes together nicely (and by that I don't mean that everything is neatly explained) - if they pull it off I'll be a very happy lostie, but I'm trying to keep my expectations at a realistic level.
 
 
Mistoffelees
14:47 / 05.01.10
From what I read pretty much all actors are back and there seems to be an alternate timeline where they land safely in L.A. I don't expect them to come up with satisfying explanations for all that time travel and dead people slapping Hugo and polar bears and the numbers. As long as the episodes are as fun as last season I am happy.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:32 / 05.01.10
Mist, that was a big gigantic spoiler you just mentioned... I mean, a cursory glance through the net will turn it up but... I think we've always tried to stick to what's been aired.

I agree that they are going to have work extremely hard to make it satisfying, but ever since they locked in their end date, I feel like they have had a very clear idea where everything was going. The interconnected timelines of Seasons 4 and Seasons 5 could only have been done with some idea of the arc of how everything was going to line up down the line.

That being said, it's the final season, and resolving mythology-based television shows is probably the hardest thing anyone can do on the small screen (cough, BSG, Alias, X-Files, etc. cough). I'm trusting them on the strength of the last two seasons. Hopefully they live up to it.
 
 
Spaniel
19:07 / 05.01.10
Fuck, it's a spoiler thread isn't it?

Bloody hell, Mist, you're happy to remove all the surprises I see. No way to watch telly if you ask me.
 
 
Tsuga
20:44 / 05.01.10
Well, shit. I'm going to have to avoid this spoiler thread. I don't want to read any leaked plotlines or twists beforehand.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
04:30 / 06.01.10
I put spoilers in the title out of tradition but I thought they would be understood to be spoilers like usual (discussion after an episode airs). Maybe I just put this up too soon; was only hoping for some fun rehashing of the series and theories about what's coming.
 
 
Spaniel
09:18 / 06.01.10
Let's establish a rule: no pre-air spoilers
 
 
MrKismet
16:17 / 07.01.10
Keith, Re: your question no. 3 above..... I've posited here before that I believe Jacob is Aaron. It actually came to me in a dream after watching a marathon DVD mish-mash of episodes one rainy Saturday.

The man in black? I don't know. Maybe the personification of the Smoke Monster. Or a younger version of Alvar Hanso or Dr. DeGroot.
 
 
Mistoffelees
08:17 / 11.01.10
When it says (Spoilers) in the title I take that as face value.

I remember we had threads for at least one show, where one thread was spoiler-free and one contained spoilers.
 
 
netbanshee
01:51 / 01.02.10
Spoilerish from last season, but that's what I feel the thread subject implies ---

So who's pumped for the premiere in two days?

I've been trying to get over air DTV with some difficulty (damn you 6abc's poor handling of digital broadcast transition), but will figure out how to watch it in any case. Hopefully I don't need cable to watch broadcast. :/ Last season shall be watched in any way possible.

Despite all of the storylines that need some level of resolve at this point, I feel that things are in good hands (I'm sure many of you do too). Ending last season with something of a singularity was a smart move in my opinion. JJ Abrams and crew can handle this and they've cleared the way to establish things from a new position.

I'd like to see Locke a bit more (O'Quinn is a fav of mine since Millennium) and I am curious how Isaac and the Nemesis will play out since their meeting in the last episode. The LOST wiki is pretty good reading in regards to theories on what has happened and what may be to come.

Though the wiki above has thrown cold water on the overall theme of LOST being a sort of purgatory, I still have a feeling that the island's purpose and what's going on pulls from this theme. Whatcha think?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
02:19 / 03.02.10
Spoilers of ep 1 season 6 obv

That was pretty cool. Fake Locke man in black is the smoke monster.

Ben = "You're the monster."

Smoke Monster= "Let's not resort to name calling."

Ok, so classic scifi time stuff, 2 timelines emerge from the blast. The crew blown back into the present on the island, and also a timeline where the crash never happened.

On noncrash timeline it was fun to see Boone and Charlie again, and Locke and Jack speaking. Locke tells Jack that his condition is irreversible, Jack tells him nothing is irreversible.

The temple others annoyed me like the others used to in the old days. Always wanting to shoot fools. Lazarus pit was pretty badass though.

Not sure if the two timelines are gonna merge back somehow by season end or if they'll just do a cool side by side character study all season.

Lotta stuff to process but I was def psyched. Will wait to hear from others.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
02:20 / 03.02.10
Also in never crashed timeline I forgot what a fucking dickhead Jin was.
 
 
MrKismet
03:36 / 03.02.10
Frogurt and Arzt and the Marshall and Flight Attendant Cindy AND Bernard??!!!! Icing on the cake: Scowling Sawyer. Oh, happy me.
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:21 / 03.02.10
There was even an airpoirt voice mentioning a flight to "Sao Paulo, Brazil", which satisfyingly solves the Paulo-Nick storyline, and with probably a happy ending for the murderous couple no less.
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:28 / 03.02.10
It will be interesting to see Jack and Lock actually growing to be best buddies and thus redeem each other somehow, as well as fun to watch lucky Hurley. I'm betting Sawyer and Kate will run into each other soon. Let's not forget that the never crashed timeline (official name) is still a couple of years behind the still crashed timeline (official name).

Also, no more flashbacks or flashforwards*. How do we call this now? "Flashparallel"?

* tho, I expect at least one Richard/Black Rock flashback to come.

** And by "Paulo-Nick", I means "Paulo-Nikki"
 
 
Tsuga
23:45 / 03.02.10
My questions now are: why did Ben want Jack to bring John's body on the plane, and did the addition of shoes add some magic slipper action to the corpse or allow the change? Where are the other passengers from the first seasons on the alternate Oceanic flight (will they just be explained off by some previous diversion)? Who are these other Others (or Neithers, maybe)? I actually have more questions that I can't remember now. Again, I have my complaints, but I'm glad to be seeing this back again.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
01:19 / 04.02.10
why did Ben want Jack to bring John's body on the plane, and did the addition of shoes add some magic slipper action to the corpse or allow the change?

Don't know if the shoes will ever be explained, probably just some mystic hubub. I'm thinking John's body had to be brought back because Smokey can only impersonate bodies that are on the island maybe and/or the people who Jacob touched had to be brought back together for the getting back to the island crash to work?

Where are the other passengers from the first seasons on the alternate Oceanic flight (will they just be explained off by some previous diversion)?

I think it's one of those things where one small thing changes and can cause comepletely diff things to happen. So the Lost survivor extras could be written off as things went diff, and the core guys were destined to be on the plane again

Who are these other Others (or Neithers, maybe)?

Temple sect of the others I guess.

Jacob's bodyguards aka the good guys didn't seem particularly badass btw
 
 
the Fool
11:52 / 04.02.10
Really really enjoyed episode one.

Sad to see Juliet die, but at least she didn't vapourise and got to be with Swayer one last time. I thought she'd grown to be one of the strongest characters of the series. She often chose to do 'the right thing' even though it cost her her freedom (usually from the Island) and I really thought the end of season five was pretty harsh on her. I was glad they gave a bit back to the character even if it was a little bit.

Glad Sayed survived, though we'll see what that entails. I'm sure its not straightforward, lol!

I have a theory that the 'it didn't happen' scenario is occuring before the 'arriving back to the monster's victory' one. Perhaps Jack, as the only one who remembers what happened in the unaltered timeline, is forced to somehow erase this new timeline as it is unstable. The blast seems to have sunk the island. Thus massively altering the timeline. Charles Widmore along with all the others would have been forced to flee or drown. I'm assuming after the blast which must have occurred in this reality, everyone who now could not actually have arrived on the island were rewritten into the future, but leaving a flaw in that how did the bomb go off if none had ever been there? Everyone else, stayed and either somehow escaped the sinking island or drowned. Did Charles survive? Did Eloise? No Charles no Penny, No Eloise no Daniel. The Monster and Jacob perhaps trapped beneath the sea like Cthulhu.

Back on the plane, Jack notices the alterations in the timeline. The most notable, the presence of Desmond Hume, who doesn't recognise Jack. I thought this could suggest that Widmore didn't survive, therefore no Penny, therefore no training for the boat race for Desmond, so he'd not run into Jack, until now. Though his presence on the flight is obviously odd and I hope he's involved in the time shenanigans

The first real crack in this timeline ithe vanishing of Christian Shephard's coffin. I suspect it will all go tits up, which it sorta already has with Kate's escape and seeming kidnapping of Claire. Also the fact that they had to be on the island to sink the island means that they've created a paradox. Somehow, Jack being the only one who knows what has been changed is going to have to change it again so that the bomb somehow doesn't sink the island, whatever crazy shit that might be. Thus meaning the stations would have been build (and possibly being the reason for their creation) thus everything happened, erasing the 'it didn't happen' timeline and putting them at the start of the 'and the monster won' timeline. This would eliminate the paradox in time.

I love this show, lol!
 
 
Tsuga
23:44 / 04.02.10
I suspect Jacob may show up in Christian's clothing, so to speak.
So, does anyone else think that Jack was aware of what had happened when he was on the plane in the altered timeline, or did he just seem confused? I don't think he knows, but maybe I missed some clue.
 
 
Dead Megatron
12:03 / 05.02.10
I think he doesn't know. Seeing Desmond gave him a weird déja-vu feeling, but he may have still ran into him in that timeline...
 
 
Dead Megatron
12:26 / 05.02.10
Incidentally:

 
 
wicker woman
04:50 / 25.02.10
It's so strange to have the numbers popping up again, and so forcefully. It's been so long since they've played seemingly any role that I had to go and look up what they were again.

Answers seem to be inching out while more questions are asked. Who was the kid? Why is Smokey stuck as Locke, and why did that only seem to occur after Jacob was killed? Is ghost-Jacob really Jacob? etc etc etc.
 
 
MrKismet
15:44 / 25.02.10
In "The Lighthouse," we see Jack with his shirt open, bare-chested, yet there is no hair. In the pilot, when Kate was sewing him up bare-chested there was much hair.

What's happened to Jack's chest hair??!!!
 
 
the Fool
23:14 / 25.02.10
So, I guess Christian Shepherd is an avatar of the Monster then? Maybe the monster is all the dead people we have seen so far.

Claire has gone all Rousseau, does this mean both she and Rousseau were 'infected' by the Monster?

The parallel seems to be more and more not the world in which the only crash 'didn't happen'. With the inclusion of David the timelines seem to be diverting drastically. I'm still waiting to see the two timelines somehow tethered together (the only 'tie' this episode was around what was said to Jack as a child and his parents house). Jack seems to be noticing the changes in the parallel, then getting the memories associated with the change after.

Dug the lighthouse.

I love that there isn't enough pieces on the board to see the big picture, but just enough to start seeing its outline.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:00 / 26.02.10
Easily the best of analysis/theory of Lost I've seen so far.

I'm extremely into the idea that the Island a sort of crucible or machine to make people evolve or work through the issues that are holding them back. There's something very alchemical about it. I've been trying to say what I think of this season so far in this thread and haven't had a chance until now. Hopefully more discussion to come.
 
 
thewalker
04:42 / 26.02.10
glad you guys have started the discussion again, no where else is there as concise yet rich conversation on Lost.

I am loving it so far, and have been reveling in the multiverse facet since the first episode this season. wondering whether the two realities with continue to influence each other until they crash together...

one thing: if the ending resembles 'the secret' at all; there will be hell to pay.

;p
 
 
buttergun
15:55 / 03.03.10
Recently discovered this site, which I feel is doing a fabulous job of summing up my own feelings on this season -- the episode 6 review in particular:

Eps 1 and 2

Ep 3

Ep 4

Ep 5

Ep 6
 
 
Tsuga
22:46 / 03.03.10
Yes, the tediousness of people doing drastic things for no apparent reason continues. I guess Sayid will do this shit to get Nadia and it won't work out because he will have done evil things to get her back. Remember, he's "not good enough" for her.
And they did get into some "good" and "evil" stuff, too! Love the binary!
 
 
Tsuga
10:04 / 04.03.10
Oh, and today Mefi has a thread about Lost. You can read it, but I'm not going to, because it sounds spoiler-ish.
 
 
haus of fraser
12:51 / 04.03.10
Life would be much more depressing if I didn't have my Bowie albums.
 
 
Haus Of Pain
14:12 / 04.03.10
I dunno, I’ve seen this sort of criticism of SOME elsewhere and it strikes me as being the product of lazy reading. Not a terrible crime, we all get a bit slovenly from time to time, but popular critics like Geoff Klock should know better.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:27 / 04.03.10
Glad I'm not the only one who has to tolerate eye-rolls
 
 
Haus Of Pain
14:32 / 04.03.10
Unless someone wants to flesh this thread out - and I don't - I'm going to move for a deletion.
 
 
wicker woman
15:43 / 04.03.10
...Wait, what?
 
  

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