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The New Doctor Who

 
  

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Poke it with a stick
19:42 / 20.11.08
So, a cast member from Survivors just said "Patterson Joseph, who's going to be the n... potentially be..."

This was on BBC News 24 in their entertainment slot.

I'll be very happy if this turns out to be true.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
07:18 / 21.11.08
Please tell me the CIN bit was a moment where I could possibly squeal...

(Mods, if this is properly in the current thread, do mesh.)
 
 
DavidXBrunt
07:35 / 21.11.08
I have a theory about The Next Doctor and it includes Christopher Biggins. I'll leave it at that as I don't want to get spoilerific. Even potentially.
 
 
dark horse
12:39 / 21.11.08
well this is confusing!

i only just got into dr. who recently after seeing it on pbs, who is patterson joseph/christopher biggins?
 
 
Poke it with a stick
15:05 / 21.11.08
Paterson Joseph is a stalwart of British comedy shows including Green Wing, That Mitchell and Webb Look and Peep Show. He also played the Marquis in the BBC adaptation of Neverwhere.

He was most recently seen in a Doctor Who episode with Christopher Eccleston but, seeing as I've no idea which season you watched on PBS, I'll leave it at that.

Christopher Biggins won I'm A Celebrity last year (I think) and also featured as a Translyvanian in Rocky Horror.
 
 
Poke it with a stick
15:10 / 21.11.08
Here's a Who blog with the clip embedded.

Bloody Paddypower have closed the betting on the next Who, so goodbye easy money.

Kali - I saw the CIN bit, it was good, but kind of made it clear all was not as it seemed from the title.
 
 
Poke it with a stick
19:29 / 26.11.08
Bumping with this bit from Rich Johnston's column at the Comic Book Resource.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
05:02 / 28.11.08
Meh, ice cream, woss that piece of nothing? The dude said nothing.

We will all wait.

Stupid new Doctor. Making me an impatient arse.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
05:04 / 28.11.08
Again, I said: I will much more welcome a change of Doctor if it's not someone I've seen as a minor character in the series.

Anything is REALLY a cheat.
 
 
h1ppychick
10:24 / 28.11.08
Oh I wish it were a woman. Alex Kingston. Or Tilda Swinton. Or Miranda Richardson. That would be brilliant.
 
 
aku aku
12:41 / 28.11.08
It'll be interesting how they explain this one continuity wise. I always assumed that he could only regenerate into a white male, mainly because he's always been shown as one in all his incarnations.

If he suddenly regenerates into anything else it either suggests that

a) It was just chance that 10 of his 13 lives (and all the alternative and possble future/past versions) were white males

or

b) The Doctor chose to be a white male every time.

One seems rather unlikely and the other is quite distasteful.
 
 
Triplets
14:50 / 28.11.08
I imagine they'll explain it as Timelords usually regenerating along a certain type (in Delta Whiskey's case white and male) with exceptions (not to be called anomalies, obvs) being possible. The Doctor started out quite old but has gotten progessively younger. So there's a change already. Why not black? Why not Tilda Swinton?

With The Master's conscious decision to regenerate younger it might even be that a Timelord's regenerations follow a certain core sense of physical identity (if you grew up as a certain type you're likely to follow that type through all 13 bodies). Regenerating outside the template could cause "selfshock" or summat, so they usually don't.

Etc etc
 
 
Triplets
14:55 / 28.11.08
No-one in the current series has seen him as more than two white guys and they looked pretty different. Would anyone who knows his previous forms even question an alien spacetime-traveller* changing race? So, they might not even mention it: would that be better or worse?

*race kind of seems a bit of a picked nit compared to The Doctor's overall bi-cardial, limb regeneratery-ness.
 
 
sleazenation
17:38 / 28.11.08
"One seems rather unlikely" ... because a time traveling alien who can regenerate back from the point of death is in no way unlikely...
 
 
aku aku
18:19 / 28.11.08
Unlikely in the context of the established continuity.

Although I take your point it is only a tv show.

It's just you start out with view that it's Doctor Who, he's an alien who travels in time, and you can do anything and you end up not bothering coming up with a good explanation for why and a plot full of holes.

I'm looking at you RTD
 
 
raggedman
19:07 / 28.11.08
When Chris turned into Dave Dave bemoaned the fact he wasn't ginger, he'd always wanted to be...during the change Chris said he might have two heads or no
there's no established reson why Time Lords/Ladies shouldn't morph cross whatever
save the mores of late 20th early 21st century television casting procedures

i think i've used 'mores' right, been reading a lot of Woodhouse recently.

Kali- is this because last time it was Colin Baker?

i'm not worried, Paterson is a proper character actor, there's nothing to connect...and there's precedents, maybe Time Lords can fixate upon beings the way humans fancy each other
you know
it's often weird, fleeting people often hit in a disproportionately intense way
like they'd be important people if you'd had the time together
Romana copied Princess Astra, a noble association
The 5th Doctor, the most genial, dies sacrificing himself for the life of a companion he barely knows, copies Maxrill the hard man, but changes, The 6th Doctor would never obey anyone's orders
the man who wouldn't defend Rose
I can see him taking a strong imprint, body remembering cell structure

But as I've said in another thread his is the only name I've heard that's made me go Squeeee!
Him and Moffat together, surely is awesomeness on a grand scale

Christ knows James Nesbitt would have to [rude word] work to get me onboard

There's another regeneration at least (until there's a telly explanation for why he can regenerate more, which doesn't involve the body snatching gruesome of the Master's)
so plenty of time for a female doctor

or maybe there'll be a silver medal?
Tilda Swinton as Romana would rock, hard
and Time War or no Time War, Romana ain't going down
The Doctor survived the Time War
Romana survived the Time War
"...by fighting on the front line..."
Stands to reason
surely?
 
 
Triplets
20:18 / 28.11.08
[rude word] yeah!
 
 
aku aku
09:42 / 29.11.08
See normally I would agree, Moffat is clearly the best writer on new who and Paterson Joseph as the Marquis de Carabas was the best thing in Neverwhere.

Except, I watched a fair bit of Jekyll, and that was a mess, not least because PJ's ridiculous american accent.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:33 / 30.11.08
The Doctor gets to have PJ's natural accent. Which makes me wonder why Doctor 10 wasn't Scottish, seeing as Doctor Nine came from the North. Maybe RTD just enjoyed the accent he did for 'Casanova'. (I was watching 'Tooth and Claw' the other day with a friend and we realised that the Scottish accent that the Doctor uses in that is not Tennant's Scottish accent).

Cornish Patterson Joseph FTW!
 
 
DavidXBrunt
19:59 / 30.11.08
I think the accent was Tennants choce, not RTD's. But, you know, I've been wrong before...
 
 
iamus
22:43 / 01.12.08
I think Paterson Joseph may be spiffing.

I'm also loving the current photo for his Wikipedia entry.
 
 
h1ppychick
14:08 / 02.12.08
Oh total lol at the photo
 
 
Are Being Stolen By Bandits
21:54 / 02.12.08
OK, if we have to do this (ie., if "because the social climate in Britain has changed since the 1970s, and it is therefore more acceptable to cast a black actor in a leading role than it was when previous Doctors were being cast" is somehow inadequate as an explanation), let's do it.

In 1969's 'The War Games', the Time Lords offer Patrick Troughton's Doctor a selection of faces to choose from for his next regeneration. One of these faces is clearly that of a black man (he rejects it as "too fat").

In 1974's 'Planet Of The Spiders', the Time Lord K'anpo (portrayed as Caucasian) regenerates into the form of Cho-Je, who is of asian appearance (to be fair, he's played by a caucasian actor, but so was Li H'sen Chang in 'The Talons of Weng Chiang', and he was clearly supposed to be Chinese - see earlier comments about attitudes towards the casting of non-white actors in the 1970s). The Doctor gives no indication that this change of race is in any way surprising.

In 1979's 'Destiny Of The Daleks', Romana 'tries on' a number of potential new bodies before regenerating. One of these bodies has silverish-blue skin, clearly of completely different racial descent to Mary Tamm, the previous actress to play the role. The Doctor does not deem this worthy of comment.

In the Big Finish range of audio dramas, the Time Lord Rassilon, depicted as caucasian in his televised appearance, is played by Don Warrington, a black actor. In the accompanying artwork, he is represented visually with Warrington's appearance. Again, none of the Time Lord characters find this unusual.



There is no canonical reason for anyone to object to the Doctor turning into a black man. It doesn't even need an in-story explanation. It is, in short, a complete non-issue.

Hurrah!
 
 
aku aku
11:08 / 03.12.08
That's interesting; I'd seen the Romana regeneration scene but not the others. It does heavily imply that the Time Lords can choose their appearance, although not their gender. Of course very little is set in stone with the Time Lords and a good argument could be made that they can if fact swap genders.

However this doesn’t explain (in the context of the story) why the doctor has never made advantage of this freedom to change his basic appearance. Surely either he can’t (has it been implied in places that the Doctor wasn’t very good at it?) or doesn’t like to.

I’m not saying he shouldn’t, I just think the writers should put a bit of thought into why he hasn’t previously.




I still find the The Talons of Weng-Chiang cringe worthy, I remember watching it on video a as a child not being able to work out what was wrong with John Bennett’s face and then realising he wasn’t actually Chinese. Even for 1977 that seems badly misjudged.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:32 / 03.12.08
However this doesn’t explain (in the context of the story) why the doctor has never made advantage of this freedom to change his basic appearance. Surely either he can’t (has it been implied in places that the Doctor wasn’t very good at it?) or doesn’t like to.

Probably the simplest explanation for why he hasn't in the past would be for them to write a speech about how consciously influencing the shape and direction of a regeneration would be detrimental -- possibly it might be more spiritually demanding and leave the regenerated Doctor out of his head and disoriented for a longer period of time, or perhaps he'd lose memories in the process...
 
 
jentacular dreams
17:07 / 03.12.08
There's a lot of referenced semi-speculation on this in the wikipedia entry on regeneration (specifically under romana's regeneration).

Not really sure why in-story explanations are neccessary myself though....?
 
 
iamus
00:06 / 04.12.08
Quite honestly, if quizzed on any of this, Moffat, as the man who came up with the term "wibbly wobbly timey wimey", could stand up, look me in the eye, fart uproariously, scratch his arse, realise he'd actually followed through a little, shrug, and then sit back down again with nothing but a broad grin on his face and a stormer of a first episode that addresses none of this, and I'd be more than happy.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
03:46 / 04.12.08
The only reasonable explanation is that the Doctor has, up until now, been a racist, but that a year as Dobby has helped him to see things from the other side and disavow his formerly racist attitude to regeneration. Simple.
 
 
Seth
14:42 / 05.12.08
Probably the simplest explanation for why he hasn't in the past would be for them to write a speech

Or we could avoid the speech.

In response to why he doesn't consciously influence his regenerations: "I like surprises."

In response to someone questioning him about the probability of being a white male every time: "What are the odds, eh?"

Much better to solve it all with a couple of jokes than making everyone yawn (see also Worf's answer to why Klingons used to look like humans).
 
 
Seth
14:46 / 05.12.08
BTW, Worf's answer: "It is a long story... we do not discuss it with outsiders."
 
 
iamus
21:07 / 05.12.08
El Correcto
 
 
DavidXBrunt
07:35 / 08.12.08
The Doctors inability to chose his new looks has usually been ascribed to the stress he;s going through at the time.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:16 / 08.12.08
A lot of people do things when they are stressed that they wouldn't do normally. Racist things. If you don't catch him on the hop, the doctor is a very fair man. Or woman.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:41 / 08.12.08
I wish he'd hurry up and be Tilda Swinton already.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
17:55 / 08.12.08
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Suzie Dent IS The Doctor.
 
  

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