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All Acting Regiment
15:05 / 28.01.08
Okay, this thread was born when, in the 'Stupid Theory and Politics Questions' thread, Shrug asked for help deciphering a section from Thomas Yingling's "Acting Up: AIDS, Allegory, Activisim", which I'll quote:

Unlike the collapse of subjectivity noted in narratives of postmodernism that celebrate the simulacrum of inscription or the break with an oppressive history of metaphysics, the finality marked as and by AIDS includes an undeniably literal death, a death so irretrievably literal that its figurality must be continually exposed as figuration, as cultural critics like Simon Watney, Jan Zita Grover, and Douglas Crimp have been doing for more than half a decade; and (to reverse the burden of literality and figurality) the finality of AIDS is so inwrought with configurations of cultural anxiety and dread that its literality must also be continually addressed in strenuous, referential narratives of victimization, punishment, resistance and healing.

There were various responses to this. Astrojax said:

what does this mean?? if 'figuration' is the act of foeming something into a shape, then how is it 'final'? and just what is being final in 'the finality marked by aids?? and if it only 'includes' a literal death [so i'll take that to be actually, literally as it were, death then, shall i?] what else does it 'include'? and so can it really be so final?? or is it death-in-literature? in which case, it is only fiction then anyway, so has no real bearing on real aids, which is an invidious disease.

this all seems rather like a load of gobbledygook to me. it's no wonder you fail to understand it... or am i being passe and naive?


To which Haus, interpreting the section, replied:

... so, the idea is that AIDS is not just acting as a disease (or more correctly a syndrome) but also acts constantly as an allegorical representation of other narratives not concerned with the sickness of the body - narratives of oppression, of political voicelessness. So, the figurality - the expressive potential within the idea of AIDS - is revealed to be a bundle of allegories driven by the impossibility of facing the finality of AIDS as Tot-an-Sich. Whether AIDS is actually more final than other such things is tricky - you could certainly see the same mess of fragmenting associations in, say, cancer. Peggy Phelan in Mourning Sex has some interesting stuff that might be relevant.

Then again, I've got no idea whether this is what the writer actually meant.


These two responses, characterizing for me anyway the two basic responses most people have to heavy theoretical langauge, led me on to suggest we start a thread on the subject.

The basic question I want to ask is: in 'Theory' - whether that be cult studs, i-d politics, queer theory, race theory, gender theory, or areas of art criticism where theory now holds sway (for example, in my field, English Lit) ... is the language used often detrimental to our understanding - is it justified?

Even this opener is problematic for all sorts of reasons, and I'm hoping people will throw in their own thoughts.

We really need to keep this specific to avoid generalising and not really thinking - i.e. I'd like to find examples of what I'm talking about in specific writers - and I think we certainly need to consider the issues of humanities vs sciences. Is the kind of language one finds in a book on economics or ecology or politics relevant to the field of cinema or poetry? A lot of theory might be said to straddle politics and literature, economics and music, and so on, so where does that leave us?

Given these basic questions, I'd like to throw up some examples that gave us trouble in my RL seminars. I particularly want to talk about Judith butler, but I'll need to go off and find the book, so I'll put this over to you lot now.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
18:36 / 28.01.08
(Note: I've highlighted questions I consider important in bold)

AARis the language used (in Theory) often detrimental to our understanding - is it justified?

I can answer the first question pretty easily, with a big yes (if by 'our' you are referring to the majority of the world population, and many of the students and faculty of English Lit departments). Shrug, Astrojax, Haus and myself all found it near impossible to decypher Yingling's prose. Haus's interpretation may have come close, but without Yingling to hand we don't know whether it is any better an interpretation than seeing a butterfly, sunset or castrating father figure in a Rorschach test (Death of the Author aside). So, we can say that Yingling has failed us as readers- he obviously had something he wished to communicate, but a random sampling of fairly intelligent people, presumably his target audience, was unable to receive this message. We could even go further, and say that if there was indeed something important that Yingling wished to say and the style he chose prevented it from being said then he is guilty of the intellectual equivalent of a doctor withholding medicine.
Or, we can say (as Haus suggests in the thread in question) that we have failed Yingling- he doesn't invent words or employ grammar, syntax and punctuation in anything but the prescribed manner. Yet we still don't understand. Let's, very scientifically, call these two positions Author Failure (AF) and Reader Failure (RF)

The question of justification is an interesting one. Somebody writing about Particle physics can hardly be accused of obscurantism if Shrug, Astrojax, Haus and myself can't understand his or her paper on electron topography in Umbongo's interpretation of N-space field theory. Some concepts require specialist vocabulary to discuss. But is it necessary to say

'"As soon as a fact is narrated no longer with a view to acting directly on reality but intransitively, that is to say, finally outside of any function other than that of the very practice of the symbol itself, this disconnection occurs, the voice loses its origin, the author enters into his own death, writing begins. The sense of this phenomenon, however, is varied; in ethnographic societies the responsibility for a narrative is never assumed by a person but by a mediator, shaman, or relator whose "performance" - the mastery of the narrative code - may possibly be admired but never his "genius."'

--Roland Barthes, "The Death of the Author" (1977)

... when 'make up your own mind about a text instead of wondering what the author might have meant' would suffice? Okay, my example is slightly snarky, and the selected text hardly the worst offender when it comes to PoMo gobbledygook, but when the 'message' is as simple as that of Barthes's essay, doesn't the language used seem excessive?

In Lacan to the Letter Bruce Fink accuses Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont, co-authors of Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals' Abuse of Science, a book critical of Lacan's misuse of scientific language in his work (amongst many, many other things), of demanding that "serious writing" do nothing other than "convey clear meanings". Fink says Reader Failure, Sokal and Bricmont say Author Failure. (As a side-question to the question of whether hard science terms can be used in Theory- does it matter if they are used correctly or can a philosopher '(equate) the erectile organ to the square root of minus one', to quote from Richard Dawkins' review of Fashionable Nonsense?).
What then can 'serious writing' do other than 'convey clear meanings'? We can enjoy the act of reading it of course, in the way Finnegan's Wake or Naked Lunch or the poetry of John Ashbury can be (mostly) unintelligible but a lot of fun, but the passage quoted above and many like it in the work of Lacan, Deleuze and Guattarri, Derrida and so on never are in my experience. This interpretation turns Theory into a medium of entertainment Then again, the Rorschach-like effect may be the 'point', allowing multiple interpretations to emerge rather than 'privileging' a particular point of view. This succeeds if, like Haus, we are able to put forward an interpretation, and fails if, like Shrug, Astrojax and myself we are not. But, returning to the medicine metaphor, isn't this the intellectual equivalent of Homeopathy- diluting something to the point where it can have no possible effect on the recipient beyond acting as a placebo? Aren't the problems of the world- AIDs for example- important enough for our foremost thinkers to tackle them in such a way that the majority of people affected by these problems can understand what is being said? What are the fields of feminism, race theory, queer theory and postcolonial theory for if not to contribute to the uplift of women, non-white people, homosexuals and former colonial subjects? Aren't we again back to withholding medicine, or are we now performing a kind of reverse triage- doling out medicine to those who need it least (the tiny minority of mostly Western, mostly white, mostly male, mostly straight people who are able to process this 'medicine')? Have we given up on the potential of information and debate to have any positive effect on human life?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:58 / 29.01.08
More on this, but response:

a) Or, we can say (as Haus suggests in the thread in question) that we have failed Yingling- - I don't think I _did_ say that. I said that astrojax had failed to understand a passage, and questioned the natural progress from that position, based especially as it was on a failure to understand the key word "figuration", that the passage was impossible to understand, and that it was deliberately made to be impossible to understand because the writer had nothing to say and was hoping that somebody else would sift meaning from his words which he could then claim.

b) Your position sort of presupposes that everything women, black people or gay people ever do should be both immediately aimed at the "uplift" of their particular section of the world population, and immediately available to and comprehensible by the widest possible section of their own populations (and, I guess, by extension everyone else). I'm not convinced that that is true - I don't know that academic examination of cultural representations of AIDS, for example, have the same set of goals or the same prescribed methods as grassroots activism to secure funding for AIDS charities in New York, for example. Again, immunologists and epidemiologists working to address the spread of HIV by means medical or social are not necessarily required never in their researches to reach a conclusion using tools that might confuse or bewilder the average person at risk of HIV infection. That, surely, would be the equivalent of homeopathy?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:40 / 29.01.08
So you're saying, Haus, that certain points, even as relate to a wide range of people with a range of educational standards and capabilities, are such that not everyone in the group concerned is able to understand them - that certain points will always require some specialist knowledge?

So, for example, to understand the idea of the British Empire, you need to understand history and economics at a level accessible only to those who the Empire itself has left well-off, and which is probably not accessible to its most victimised subjects?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:09 / 29.01.08
To talk some more about the problems with Theory in the field of English Lit. There is an essay called Periodizing Modernism I'd like to use as an example. It was given to the seminar group and we had to see what we made of it. I can only paraphrase it at the moment, but it said something like:

'We must respatialize and reperiodize our understanding of modernism in such a way as to take account of the various - racial, geographic, cultural and temporal - contexts in which modernisms have occurred.'

So, in other words, the author was saying that we ought to see Modernism not just as something that happened between Joseph Conrad and Auden, in Europe and America, 1890ish to 1940ish, but to take account of other places and times where the things we call Modernism have existed - experience of the metropolis, fractured narratives and so on. The original text was thrice as long as my paraphrase and consisted of very long sentences.

The point was raised in the seminar, though, that by using theoretical language the author was guiding us towards something actually untenable. For one thing, you can see affinities between what goes into Joseph Conrad and what goes into, say, certain modern writers in Igbo or Chinese, but that doesn't mean that it makes sense to talk about their novels as part of essentially the same movement. Certainly there are reasons not to do this which are not racist.

Likewise, there doubtless are thousands more examples of writers dealing with 'modern-ness' than the aforementioned Conrad-Auden complex, but how could one possibly teach a course on Modernism that included everything the essay's author demanded at anby useful level of detail? Not to mention that, regardless of how many 'Modernisms' there might be, there is till a particular movement called Modernism. As analogy, there might be a whole lot of 'Surreal' art down through the centuries, some of which you would of course study on a Surrealism course, but these things were not made by The Surrealist Movement. Affinities are not always cast-iron links.

Further, however theoretically justified it might be, there's no guarantee that you would actually be studying 'good literature' - do we really want to lose The Secret Agent to Season of Migration to the North?

And this is the major problem we (well, my small band of noble rebels anyway) have with Theory in English Lit - much as the idea of 'good' or 'aesthetically pleasing' or 'entertaining' literature is a fraught and vague one, a course designed around books chosen not for this but for theoretical reasons (they all 'challenge' some notion of social standards, or something) will in the cold light of day tend to be dull, boring, and remarkably ignorant of the idea of 'pleasure' in books, whilst clinging to the unquestioned assumption that books have, not just a relation, but a clear, obvious and simple relation to the real world of politics and can be read as 'simply' or 'just' political texts. On this, Nabokov sez:

Another question: Can we expect to glean information about places and times from a novel? Can anybody be so naive as to think he or she can learn anything about the past from those buxom best-sellers that are hawked around by book clubs under the heading of historical novels? But what about the masterpieces? Can we rely on Jane Austen’s picture of landowning England with baronets and landscaped grounds when all she knew was a clergyman’s parlor? And Bleak House, that fantastic romance within a fantastic London, can we call it a study of London a hundred years ago? Certainly not. And the same holds for other such novels in this series. The truth is that great novels are great fairy tales—and the novels in this series are supreme fairy tales.

Another thing the Cultural Studies tradition brings with it is a distressing tendency for people to know an awful lot about Cultural Studies but not very much about the texts they're applying CS to - this can lead to judging Shakespeare's e.g. 'gender politics' by our own standards, which will of course make him look rather a bad lad, as opposed to the standards of his day, doing which will show him up as someone who took a great leap forward as far as women and black people in literature are concerned.

It should also be noted that we are here talking about specifically social-ideological theory, as opposed to the earlier Formalist theory (Vladimir Propp, Opoz, Mikhail Bakhtin, etc) which deals purely with the form and structure of the text. The Formalist stuff makes a good deal more sense.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:11 / 29.01.08
So you're saying, Haus, that certain points, even as relate to a wide range of people with a range of educational standards and capabilities, are such that not everyone in the group concerned is able to understand them - that certain points will always require some specialist knowledge?


So, for example, to understand the idea of the British Empire, you need to understand history and economics at a level accessible only to those who the Empire itself has left well-off, and which is probably not accessible to its most victimised subjects?


Nope, I'm pretty sure that that is not what I am saying at all, Legs. Is that an example of how any text can be subjected at any moment to a reading apparently entirely unrelated to the words contained therein? That, essentially, there really is no insurance against inept readings, and therefore that we should try to make things as simple as we possibly can?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:29 / 29.01.08
Ah. Interpost. Relating to your longer post, I think you are wandering away from your own remit of:

We really need to keep this specific to avoid generalising and not really thinking

You started out pretty well with a specific reference, if not quoted accurately, in a specific work, but your next two arguments are basically "and another things" - that theory has some sort of power to stop people reading self-evidently good books and make them read self-evidently bad books, and that theory (actually, Cultural Studies, which is another sort of a thing, really, but anyway) tends to impose its own modern moral and ethical codes on authors without understanding their context - so, Shakespeare comes across as a baddie rather than, as all right-thinking people know, a goodie.

I'd suggest simply abandoning these two appendices for the moment, because apart from anything else they raise the question of "what is theory?", but give no satisfactory answer, and training focus perhaps on the Yingling piece, the correct text of "Periodising Modernism" and the bits of Butler, whom I find pretty impenetrable, that you cited above.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:46 / 29.01.08
Nope, I'm pretty sure that that is not what I am saying at all, Legs.

Well, no, you said this:

Your position sort of presupposes that everything women, black people or gay people ever do should be {...}immediately available to and comprehensible by the widest possible section of their own populations (and, I guess, by extension everyone else).

And I presumed you were suggesting that this might not, in fact, be the case - that, rather, "certain points will always require some specialist knowledge?"

You're frighteningly right on the problems with my later post, though. To be honest I just wanted to throw these problems up there. And, much as I am wandering, I think that theory itself is often applied in a slip-shod, vulgarised fashion in my discipline and this might be part of the problem. Enough of that for now, though.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:27 / 29.01.08
OK, so in the interests of close reading - what connects and separates the statements I made with your example"

So, for example, to understand the idea of the British Empire, you need to understand history and economics at a level accessible only to those who the Empire itself has left well-off, and which is probably not accessible to its most victimised subjects?

I think that to make that example work I would need to have suggested that the idea of HIV or AIDS was only comprehensible to academics, activists, immunologists and epidemiologists, yes? I think that would be the inference of your example. I would rather suggest that different approaches or analyses differ in focus and in accessibility across subject specialisms - an immunologist working with HIV will have a different approach and produce different outputs from those of a university professor, and indeed two immunologists or two university professors will themselves produce different outputs from each other, as will any number of gay and straight people, seropositive or otherwise.

So, going back to Phex's question:

What are the fields of feminism, race theory, queer theory and postcolonial theory for if not to contribute to the uplift of women, non-white people, homosexuals and former colonial subjects?

I find this question flawed to start with, not least because, beyond acknowledging that the literary or cultural products of women, non-white people, homosexuals und so weiter are worthy objects of critical study, I don't know if there is an expectation that a paper on Hart Crane is going to provide the same kind of uplift as, say, government funding for a drop-in STD clinic or going to the local co-op. Queer theory is not intending to, for example, directly improve the hospice care offered to AIDS sufferers in Sacramento.

The next problem is that the same logic, for example, might see us saying that surely the role of food aid is to empower people who do not have any food to be able to eat. This is true. However, it does not follow that, because the process of food aid ends with people without food having food, the people who analyse data to predict where food shortages will occur or determine how much food needs to go to place x to feed y number of people must only do so by using arguments and methods that any person in want of food would understand. This would seem to me to be a terrible waste of quite a lot of quite high-level thinking about the allocation of food aid.

So, problems there include:

a) The idea that the goal of investigations into the cultural products of a group of people often neglected by the academy is to "uplift" that group of people,and by implication that that occurs by being read and understood by them.
b) That these investigations are the only things seeking to "uplift" aforementioned, and therefore that they have to be universally comprehensible - that is, that critical theory is the only possible source of the potential of information and debate to have any positive effect on human life.
c) That universal comprehensibility is the only way that a written artefact can have an "uplifting" effect on a person - that is that if one does not read and understand something, that something can have no impact on one's life.

I think all of these positions are, as they stand, unsafe. However, where the British Empire comes into this I have no idea, which is why I don't think your example is an example, as such. If the only way somebody could ever understand anything about the British Empire was by reading Spivak, that would be more logical, but it isn't.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
16:15 / 31.01.08
I don't know where I said that "That these investigations are the only things seeking to "uplift" aforementioned" (italics mine) so I'm afraid that I can't really engage with points A and B. The term I used was 'contribute'- in the same sense that we can contribute a small amount of money to a charity drive to fight famine in Africa. Collecting money doesn't solve the problem in and of itself, a charity's full bank account doesn't make food magically appear where it's needed, but, as you mention above, there is a complicated process of turning a pound coin casually dropped in a tin when you're out shopping into food in a country thousands of miles away.
Because the stakes in food aid and other problems are so high, and the means to solve these problems so hard to fathom, everybody who earnestly commits to being part of the solutions to these problems should, ideally, do as much as they possibly can- both in 'real-world' terms (such as grassroots activism, immunology, allocating food aid etc.) and (if I'm allowed to use another term as saccharine and cliched as 'uplift') consciousness raising, with Yinglings work falling into the latter category, since ideally we should come away from his essay with a better understanding of Aids, Allegory and Activism, or at least his view of them. A food relief program, however well funded, would fail if the person who decides where to allocate said aid was playing solitaire instead of getting hir allocations on. If (and it's a big if) we accept that Yingling genuinely wants to contribute to the understanding of AIDs, Allegory and Activism, is the style he has chosen the best means to do so?
I don't believe that academics live in an 'ivory tower', cut off from the rest of us. Yingling, Butler, Barthes et al. all know that the style they employ limits the number of people who can understand their work. In using their style they ensure that a small elite can read and understand their work then hopefully, as Haus alludes to in point C above, turn that understanding into some kind of 'real world' benefit for the rest of us (for example, a high-school English teacher could have read The Death of the Author in college and warn his students against intentional fallacy without using the essay's style, or even mentioning Roland Barthes). This seems to be an oddly plutocratic practice in the Left-dominated world of Humanities. You would then have to question why this particular target audience is chosen above all others- are academics the one demographic group able to filter Yingling's ideas down to the rest of us? Why not bypass them altogether? Physics, as I have said above, is a difficult topic and few people would be able to understand an academic paper written on the subject in a physics journal, but millions of people have read and understood A Brief History of Time. They may not be able to change the world now that they know what a Charmed Quark is, but they're a little more knowledgeable than they once were.
A question: If Yingling's essay were written in less complicated style would anything be lost? Academics would still be able to read it, but so would shrug, Astrojax and myself. If we assume two things- that Yingling believes that his essay can benefit a reader somehow, even as entertainment, and that it is not irreducibly complex- why not allow more people to share in that benefit? (This isn't a rhetorical question incidentally, I really would like an answer).
Alternately we can dispense with one or both of these assumptions. The second would be easiest- we could say that the ideas Yingling wishes to express cannot be stated in language any less complex than that which he uses, that the language is as it is not because of a stylistic choice intended to make it appeal to a target audience. Shrug's original request, which started this all off, would be impossible to fulfill. Or, we can say that the essay doesn't 'do' anything, whether it is understood or not. It is not intended to improve a person's understanding of AIDs, Allegory and Activism so this understanding can be used in the 'real-world' of clinics and co-ops, it is not entertainment because it is not entertaining. Perhaps we could even trot out some ideas about academic style borrowed from Sokal and Bricmont- that contemporary Theorists peddle 'fashionable nonsense' and their work is composed of "left-wing cant, fawning references, grandiose quotations, and outright nonsense" and have no interest in leaving the world better than they found it. I don't want to believe that, but if somebody, in this thread or elsewhere, can't show me what the style of contemporary academic essays does do, and who benefits, then I'm not going to have much choice.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:31 / 31.01.08
I don't know where I said that "That these investigations are the only things seeking to "uplift" aforementioned" (italics mine) so I'm afraid that I can't really engage with points A and B.

Well, conveniently, it appears that you just did it again. To wit:

Physics, as I have said above, is a difficult topic and few people would be able to understand an academic paper written on the subject in a physics journal, but millions of people have read and understood A Brief History of Time. They may not be able to change the world now that they know what a Charmed Quark is, but they're a little more knowledgeable than they once were.

Now, this presupposes that every single physicist who has ever said anything hard to understand has immediately created an equal and opposite work of pop science, and therefore that YIngling, by writing something hard for you to understand and then not immediately publishing an accessible, jaunty introduction to AIDS activism has let down the cause. Since the predicate is clearly false, the conclusion drawn is also, just as clearly, false.

LIkewise:

A food relief program, however well funded, would fail if the person who decides where to allocate said aid was playing solitaire instead of getting hir allocations on. If (and it's a big if) we accept that Yingling genuinely wants to contribute to the understanding of AIDs, Allegory and Activism, is the style he has chosen the best means to do so?

Appears to have avoided most of what I actually wrote. A food relief program would fail, I averred, if nobody involved with it at any point allowed themselves to use the training they had received in university and beyond to work out, using mechanisms not accessible to the hungry layperson, where there was likely to be a food shortage and how much food aid might best be assigned to deal with it.

I would suggest going back and looking again at the argument you're making, Phex, because at the moment it's a mess. Honestly, at this point why don't we try reading a bit of theory, asking people to help us with any bits you find baffling and perhaps also ask those same people why they think these particular difficult bits are difficult. I imagine the answers will vary from person to person and from text to text, but it wouldn't be a bad start. Actually reading the Yingling piece in full might not be a bad start - perhaps we could do that?
 
 
elene
09:15 / 01.02.08
Concerning the paragraph that set off this discussion, I think by “its figurality must be continually exposed as figuration” he means that AIDS’s power as a source of symbolism is always a product of society’s response to it. I think he means figuralité (when words take a different meaning from that that they usually have?) when he says figurality, and is probably employing the French meaning of figuration (that role the extras play in a scene?) as well. Figuralité also has the proper relation to literality when he decides to “to reverse the burden of literality and figurality” later in the paragraph.

I think this use of French as though it were English is very common in some sorts of theory. That is hardly surprising when a list of great theorists includes Lacan, Derrida and Baudrillard (and many others, mostly French), but the fact that French looks so similar to English, while often meaning something quite unexpected, makes it particularly confusing. I think.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:00 / 01.02.08
Yeah - I have a big response in draft form, one part of which is that there is an assumption on the part of the writer that the reader will either be familiar with or bothered to find out about not just "figurality" as a term but specifically, I think, Lyotard's use of it...
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:11 / 01.02.08
Or why, if they were going to employ the idea, they couldn't be bothered to do the dog-work of explaining it. I mean all texts assume some knowledge, but there's a reasonable limit to this.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:07 / 01.02.08
Ah, well. Here's another assumption. AFAIK, nobody apart from shrug has read the piece in its entirety yet, have they? From what position of knowledge are we saying that no attempt is made at any point to explain figurality or figuration? Is this about expectation of the text, or the text itself?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:10 / 01.02.08
Good point. If the word is explained that's fine.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:42 / 01.02.08
And from there, if it is to be explained, where? Let's say I am trying to repair my Honda. The Honda instruction manual tells me to take a monkey wrench to the engine. If I do not know what a monkey wrench is, the Honda manual may take pity on me and have a description in the glossary, or it might require me to find another manual and look it up in there.
 
 
elene
09:20 / 02.02.08
Thanks, Haus. Unfortunately, I’ve never read Lyotard, but I do agree I might be expected to have read him before reading this paper.

Unfortunately, it’s very difficult to find a definition “figurality,” as used by Lyotard (or anyone else), at least from one’s sickbed. There are enough references to the term in rhetoric and aesthetics, however, that one might expect to find it in Wikipedia alongside the, already present, definitions of every concept ever used in mathematical physics, and, of course, the monkey wrench.

Do theory students need a first year course in how to use a wiki?
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
13:23 / 02.02.08
If they did a lot of Literature professors would be grading papers on Brian Boitano and Optimus Prime. If we found a definition we would also have to accept on faith that Yingling's understanding of the word 'figuration' is the same as our own, wikipedia's or Lyotard's.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:29 / 02.02.08
If it is to be explained, where? Let's say I am trying to repair my Honda. The Honda instruction manual tells me to take a monkey wrench to the engine. If I do not know what a monkey wrench is, the Honda manual may take pity on me and have a description in the glossary, or it might require me to find another manual and look it up in there.

The thing is, although it might not explain what a monkey-wrench was, having the words Honda Instruction Manual on the front cover would be a way of telling you that you needed to be in the neighbourhood of knowing about monkey-wrenches, gears, batteries and so on to understand the text. Or to put it another way, obvious indications of genre inform us of what the pre-requisites are for understanding it.

To translate that back into the world of theory, perhaps one answer could be that if a book makes it clear from the start that it's following on from, say, Lacan or Derrida, that would be fine - but there is a problem when unexplained references to such pop up without warning?
 
 
elene
17:41 / 02.02.08
If they did a lot of Literature professors would be grading papers on Brian Boitano and Optimus Prime.

Why? Why not now?

By the way, I don’t think our problem with this passage was our being unsure whether we understood precisely what Mr Yingling meant by “figuration,” but rather our having no idea what he meant. I’m fairly happy now, even knowing I don’t possess the precise definition. I am curious to know what Lyotard’s definition is though and I’m quite sure that would increase my understanding of the passage, even if it doesn’t correspond exactly to Yingling’s. The way I see it, realising that this is French gave me access to a zeroth-order approximation to its meaning and Lyotard’s will probably give a good first approximation. It’s not precise, but then, what is?

Orders of approximation are described in Wikipedia, by the way.
 
 
elene
19:04 / 02.02.08
Oh, sorry, Phex. If I’d followed the link I’d have seen what you mean :-)
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
21:36 / 02.02.08
There are always going to be people that write bullshit, but there are always going to be people who can write things that you don't understand. How on earth can anyone deny this? Why would someone be so arrogant as to assume they should be able to understand every last piece of philosophical or theoretical writing without effort?

If one is going to read theory, one has to be willing to learn multiple different vocabularies. In Dawkins' review of the Sokal book, there's a Deleuze quote, from Logic of Sense (I think). I'm just barely familiar enough with Deleuze to get the gist of what is being said - it isn't nonsense.
 
 
elene
22:52 / 02.02.08
You mean the quote: “In the first place, singularities-events correspond to heterogeneous series which are organized into a system which is neither stable nor unstable, but rather 'metastable', endowed with a potential energy wherein the differences between series are distributed... In the second place, singularities possess a process of auto-unification, always mobile and displaced to the extent that a paradoxical element traverses the series and makes them resonate, enveloping the corresponding singular points in a single aleatory point and all the emissions, all dice throws, in a single cast,” Foust?

It seems to be describing an elastic string of varied ‘singularities-events’ on which propagates a wave, the ‘aleatory point.’ In itself this tells me nothing, because I’ve no idea what the singularities-events represent and what they have to do with chance. Can you fill me in, please?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:21 / 04.02.08
Why would someone be so arrogant as to assume they should be able to understand every last piece of philosophical or theoretical writing without effort?

Good point, but see what was said above:

I think we certainly need to consider the issues of humanities vs sciences. Is the kind of language one finds in a book on economics or ecology or politics relevant to the field of cinema or poetry? A lot of theory might be said to straddle politics and literature, economics and music, and so on, so where does that leave us?
 
 
Disco is My Class War
03:59 / 05.02.08
There's a larger point to be made here, which is that theorists (and all kinds of people) don't always intend their writing to be transparently communicable. Indeed, many theorists consider it a radical political project to appear, to some, incomprehensible. You can debate that at the level of distinctions of form/content, and the character of theory as an artistic and not merely rational practice; or you could debate it at the level of the political -- perhaps that it is a colonialist, masculinist, enlightenment gesture to expect that everything should be easily understood. Given that no participant in this argument here has said, "We are AIDS patients, this shit bears no relation to our reality," or has laid claim to marginalisation via white male ivory tower theoretical incomprehensibility, perhaps it's time to interrogate that expectation. At least it would be helpful to stop deploying the voices of the marginalised as if it's possible to know what 'they all' think, in their absence.

If people did this, perhaps we could get a little beyond this strange either/or logic of 'Author Failure' and 'Reader Failure', which is so bastardising a reading of Habermas' already simplistic Theory of Communicative Action that even Jürgen himself might quibble with it.

Finally a niggling aside: describing Cultural Studies' engagement with Shakespeare as 'using modern gender politics to paint the bard as a bad old man' betrays a complete ignorance of actual New Historicist and CS engagements with Shakespeare, which do nothing of the bloody kind. Go and read Dollimore and Sinfield, Political Shakespeare: essays in cultural materialism.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:47 / 05.02.08
I actually have an awful lot of respect for the New Historicist school of Shakespeare study, because it is a school of Shakespeare study. What I'm talking about is work by less intelligent authors which ceases to be Shakespeare study and is held up as such in order to fit into a 'trend' for 'Theory' in the department.

perhaps that it is a colonialist, masculinist, enlightenment gesture to expect that everything should be easily understood

So, to take this to ridiculous extremes - if I came here and contributed to the discussion with a sentence in heirogylphics, would that be justifiable according to the above theory? What if I responded in Arabic? Or if I made my responses in this conversation so complex as to be practically unreadable? I think we would define this last as 'trolling'. Are there times when it could be justifiable?

Much as it might be problematic to demand of someone that they make, say, their culture's epic poetry understandable to English speakers as a matter of 'natural duty' (because there'd be an unequal power dynamic), I can also see the argument leading to the construction of a loop-hole - a situation where it became acceptable to disguise what you're saying or trick people if it was no longer demanded that texts are understandable.
 
 
elene
18:38 / 05.02.08
many theorists consider it a radical political project to appear, to some, incomprehensible.

You mean elitist when you say radical, Disco? Those who produce these texts are, by and large, very secure, middle-class, university lecturers. What’s radical about it? But ivory tower, now there’s a thought.

Could it be you’re blaming the victim when you suggest it’s perhaps a colonialist, masculinist, enlightenment gesture to expect that everything should be easily understood? Quite apart from anything else, who’s suggested these texts ought to be easily understood?

No, I, for one, just doubt the ideas they contain are, in general, any deeper or more complex than Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity, though they are much more obscure than Einstein. Why is that? So that we defenders of the British Empire won't be able to understand their radical and subversive meanings, though these remain transparent to the oppressed, the French, and, in the case of AIDS sufferers, the unfortunate?

No, no, no, no. Go on, pull the other one.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
01:39 / 06.02.08
The assumption that language can be transparent in the first place is problematic.

And as far as supplying examples of theorists who are not white, male, straight or necessarily middle-class and who question the role of theory as being immediately transparent, or who see speaking differently to that logic as a political act.... Spivak, of course, comes to mind. Audre Lorde talks about speaking in a different language, a language of the outsider. One gets the feeling that neither writer would be too fussed if they were not immediately, or ever, understood by everyone.

Also, I don't think Einstein is more comprehensible than Althusser or Foucault at all. I don't get physics, never have. A Brief History of Time gave me no more useful skills with which to live or understand the world than Babar the Elephant, and the latter was much more enjoyable. Please let's not assign scientific texts some universal quotient of use value, or comprehensibility.
 
 
Lurid Archive
11:10 / 06.02.08
Identity politics always seems so counter-intuitive to me. Somehow, a university professor working in the US is not considered privileged because of the colour of their skin, and their class derives from identity rather than function. And thus the use of exclusionary language is seen as radical rather than elitist on the grounds of same identity.

Having said that, I really don't want to go too far. I don't even want to claim that the language of Theory, that curiously of-less thing, really is exclusionary. I merely wanted to comment that the defence of it - Mr Disco's, here - seems to take a particular form. Ultimately you can't actually discuss the thread topic without getting into particulars and looking at specific texts in much, much more depth than has been attempted here.

From my experience of reading science, you can't separate clarity from obscurity without having a reasonable idea of context, objectives and so on. Even the most transparent text - Einstein on Special Relativity is particularly lucid, btw - will be opaque to someone who is scientifically illiterate (I'm saddened by the fact that you "don't get Physics", Mr Disco). So, by the same standard, you can't criticise Theory without understanding *something* about it, unless you want to make some point about the tension between relevance and politicisation versus the (deliberate) use of needless technical language. Even so, you can't do this is isolation.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:59 / 06.02.08
Also, I don't think Einstein is more comprehensible than Althusser or Foucault at all. I don't get physics, never have.

So which is one is it? Is it that you do not comprehend physics or is it that Einstein is not comprehensible?
 
 
Disco is My Class War
09:08 / 10.02.08
I have no idea.

Identity politics always seems so counter-intuitive to me.

I wasn't talking about identity politics. In fact, the writers I mentioned are quite anti-identity politics.

And um, Audre Lorde wasn't really part of the 'academy', she was more a poet and occasional theorist and essayist. But you're right, to be sure, it's more helpful to talk about specifics.
 
 
Lurid Archive
19:41 / 10.02.08
I was actually thinking about you, Disco, with the identity politics thing. But, yeah, specifics.
 
 
elene
20:04 / 10.02.08
Well, to concentrate on specifics, in 1999 Judith Butler was awarded first prize in Philosophy and Literature journal's Bad Writing Contest. I think it was a bad choice, as there was much worse writing than hers available. Nevertheless, here's what Martha Nussbaum had to say about the passage in question, in her critique of Butler's work:

  Last year Butler won the first prize in the annual Bad Writing Contest sponsored
  by the journal Philosophy and Literature, for the following sentence:

    The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to
    structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony
    in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and
    rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of
    structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes
    structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into
    the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of
    hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the
    rearticulation of power.

  Now, Butler might have written: "Marxist accounts, focusing on capital as the
  central force structuring social relations, depicted the operations of that
  force as everywhere uniform. By contrast, Althusserian accounts, focusing on
  power, see the operations of that force as variegated and as shifting over
  time." Instead, she prefers a verbosity that causes the reader to expend so much
  effort in deciphering her prose that little energy is left for assessing the
  truth of the claims.

Later, concerning Butler's "casual mode of allusion," Nussbaum says:

  Divergent interpretations are simply not considered--even where, as in the cases
  of Foucault and Freud, she is advancing highly contestable interpretations that
  would not be accepted by many scholars. Thus one is led to the conclusion that
  the allusiveness of the writing cannot be explained in the usual way, by
  positing an audience of specialists eager to debate the details of an esoteric
  academic position. The writing is simply too thin to satisfy any such audience.
  It is also obvious that Butler's work is not directed at a non-academic audience
  eager to grapple with actual injustices. Such an audience would simply be baffled ...

I agree with Nussbaum's interpretations, and consider these features typical of Butler's writing.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:16 / 11.02.08
As do I, and thank you for taking the trouble to dig out that article which I really should have done earlier.

As Nussbaum says, it's not that what Butler is saying is neccesarily 'wrong', it's the complicated presentation of the material which, even though it's about complicated Marxian and Althusserian ideas, could be summed up much more easily.

I cannot see any good reason for the first quote from Butler to be as hard to understand as it is (and that's not about allusions or field-neccesary references, it's about sentence structure, cadence, and syntax). Are there some that I'm missing?
 
  

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