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07:52 / 03.03.08

What's the latest on this? I don't imagine I'd have have a place in the community, but as someone who's currently working on his very own Barbelith escape plan, I'm really interested in how it's working out.

09:39 / 03.03.08

It's coming together. I want it to remain in beta, behind closed doors, until the major creases are ironed out and we're all happy with how its functioning before going public with it. I'm happy for this to take as long as it needs to.

09:47 / 03.03.08

So people are already contributing? That's great to hear. Glad things are going well.

Really interested to see the site once it's ready to face the world.

10:33 / 03.03.08

There's about 20 people on there so far, helping out with the beta testing. Most of the conversations are about technical and administrative stuff, but there's a handful of active and interesting discussions about magic taking place there as well. None of which I've really had much time to get stuck into myself, as my main focus at the moment is just trying to get the technical, administrative and design aspects of it right.

14:18 / 05.03.08

Boboss, indulge my curiosity please. Why would you not join?

07:19 / 06.03.08

It's not that I wouldn't join, it's that I'm not sure I'd be wanted. I'm not a practitioner in any way shape or form, I'm just an interested observer, who may decide to get down to some work at some undefined point in the future.

Okay, perhaps any conscious work on oneself and one's environment could count as magic, and in that sense yes I am engaged in practice - but I'm not sure whether that kind of woolly, broadly defined stuff is the kind of thing you guys want to bring to the table. Is it?

13:43 / 06.03.08

You'd be welcome. You don't have to be a magician to talk about magic (thank goodness) and without intelligent lay-people to explain things to conversations can get a bit abstract, just as with any discipline. I personally would encourage interested folk who don't class themselves as witchy to join, not only for the benefit of the board but because we should be welcoming rather than forbidding.

13:49 / 06.03.08

Well... up to a point. At the same time, it is a board about a specific thing, and if you are not on any level engaged or interested in the specific range of things that it's about, then there's not really much point or purpose in you being there. In the same way that someone with no interest or involvement in, say, wind surfing or chess strategy, wouldn't really have much purpose for being on invite/application only boards about those subjects.

15:08 / 06.03.08

So, if people are already interested observers then if/when they start trying to do more than observe they should come knock? But if you aren't interested in serious/actual doing/studying then it probably isn't worthwhile?

15:56 / 06.03.08

I think that's a fairly reasonable policy for contributors. Anyone is welcome to read the threads (after the site goes public), but if you want to be a contributor, you have to either be invited directly, recommended by someone already on the board, or write an application explaining your interest and why you want to be a contributor.

I'm just not sure there's much point in someone being a contributor if they aren't in any way involved or engaged in the subject at hand or don't realistically intend to be at any point soon. I don't really want LN to be Barbelith 2.0. I want a space that's setup to encourage really interesting and engaging discussion on magic and related subjects, and to do that, the applications process needs to follow certain criteria.

I'm not saying you need to be a practising magician to post, but if you're not, and don't intend to be any time soon, then there should at least be some reason for you to be there, such as an academic interest or some sort of involvement in a tangential subject.

17:46 / 06.03.08

That's what I thought. Seems more than reasonable enough to me.

I'll remain a happy reader, and if I ever have anything to contribute I'll let you know.

18:07 / 06.03.08

That's just great. It takes months and months and months to finally get someone to respond to the "open, just send us an email" registration so that I can finally contribute to this site, specifically the Temple forum. And now all the Temple folk are going somewhere else? Sigh.

18:42 / 06.03.08

Well, there are still plenty of people here. And the other place should take considerably less than "months and months" to get people in. (Probably more like "hours and hours," I'd imagine, once everything's running right.)

*

02:58 / 07.03.08

You've got TWO DAYS to impress us enough to let you in. Then we're gonna blow this popsicle stand.

No, I kid.

I have no idea how long it'll take.

Okay, so the way I see it, there's still going to be room for Temple Barbelith to exist. It's not going anywhere. The other place is going to be... different. I'm a little scared by it, honestly. I keep nodding my head and agreeing with things that Barbelith-Me would be horrified by. Probably I'll keep coming back here and posting, if only to remind myself why I switched. Like needing to eat McDonalds once a year or so. So those who don't want to switch or wouldn't be a contributor at the new place or whatever... Temple Barbelith is not going to become a place of dust and ashes. Or not any more than it already is. Or else not stay that way forever.

Who knows, maybe clearing the old guard out will make room for a vibrant renewal of some sort.

Right guys?

Closed for Business Time

09:04 / 07.03.08

Yeah! Bring on the Cow-Noughts!

09:20 / 07.03.08

I think we've been talking about that upcoming vibrant renewal of barbelith since about 2002 or so. Any day now...

09:38 / 07.03.08

2012 obviously

09:56 / 07.03.08

I'm eagerly awaiting the return of GEK to usher in this new glorious age.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

11:18 / 07.03.08

Well, it's about time, frankly. Time that the fossilised uber-traditionalists gave way to the bold new voices of Generation Hex; time that cutting-edge concepts like sigil majyk and servitor creation finally got the airing that they have been denied so long. I anticipate--nay, demand!--that the following threads be started ASAP:

*If I put a sigil on the bottom of my skateboard, will it get charjd every time I do a flip trick? (PS how do I do a flip trick?)

*A PROPER thread on Otherkin where long-silenced voices can finally relate the Elven Lore that will bring the MAJYK back to our lives.

*Stories about ACTUAL MAJYK. Come on, people! All this blah, blah, blahing about meditation and altars and divination and shit is clearly a smokescreen created by the Old Guard to prevent anyone else getting a sniff of the good stuff. We want to read tales of demon-summoning sex rites in graveyards. The point of a magik forum is to make people shit bricks, and nobody ever shat bricks after reading about some guy putting some stuff on some table and lighting a couple of candles.

*More PARANORMAL threads. Photographs and videos of PARANORMAL events. Photoshops are okay if they're good photoshops, the important thing is "will it make me shit bricks?" Also, stfu with that "it's a camera strap" or "there's a beetle on the lens" crap. You're just RUINING things with your SKEPTICNESS. This is a MAJYK forum so SKEPTICNESS is TROLLING.

*Pop Majyk. I spent over AN HOUR AND A HALF once inventing my own system of majyk using a box of Warhammer figurines I found in the loft (can you believe Mum was going to chuck those out? Skirts eh!?) and then when I posted it here ppl just asked stupid questions like "have you done anything with this then?" and "does it work?" All majyk systems had to get made up sometime, right? So how come my Warhammer system is any worse than this Wicca or whatever shit you guys are into?

*The Holder series. I can't believe that no-one's started a thread on the Holder series! WTF this is supposed to be a MAGIK forum!!!!!

I also think we should change the name. Temple is for religions not Majyk.

15:49 / 07.03.08

Seconded! I follow the Tzeentch hand path!

16:25 / 07.03.08

SKEPTICNESS is TROLLING

WTF?

21:09 / 07.03.08

NHRN now just put a major kick into my desire to get LN fixed up right fast.

*

21:15 / 07.03.08

Well, can't blame an entity for dreaming.

After all, with strange dreams, even the creeping Barbledeath may die.

Cat Black (The Wizard's Hat)

17:01 / 09.03.08

I had a dream about Liminal Nation last night. I was reading the front page. It had a nice black-and-silvery color scheme, and the text in the logo was done in something like Courier. It looked good.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

23:22 / 09.03.08

Think I'll be lurking like Boboss. I'll miss interacting with you guys, though.

14:12 / 10.03.08

Yeah

18:23 / 11.03.08

Uh you know you can sign up to lurk and possibly contribute/PM folks. You both have added good questions/perspectives to this forum. Seems to me you'd be bringing the right attitude to the party.

While everyone wants LN to be top notch that doesn't mean everyone is going to be an expert on the topics or dedicated to the topics 7x24x365. My take on it is that the members will approach the topics thoughtfully and interact with the community in a productive manner. I'm sure there will be many members that post rarely compared to how often they read. It's about quality over quantity sometimes, ya?

12:20 / 12.03.08

Cool.

I'll very likely sign up in lurker capacity once the option becomes available.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

14:27 / 13.03.08

In theory I'm all for the concept of non-practitioners and outright skeptics getting involved in discussions on magical and spiritual topics. At its best, that kind of input produces gems like the Magick as maladaptive coping device thread. At its worst, though, you end up having to deal with a voice that's basically hostile to the whole issue of magic, spirituality etc. as adaptive and positive. I'm not just talking about the obvious "magic isn't real, Gods aren't real, you all believe in Santa, haha" crap. There's a more insidious version where the nonpractitioner is certainly interested in such topics, but the interest is kind of trainwrecky, freakshow-y. It's possible for such a person to tactfully make the right noises most of the time, but when something arises that needs to be questioned--an unhealthy or poorly supported belief--they may begin to kick up rough because you're spoiling the nice juicy spectacle.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

14:28 / 13.03.08

(Not saying that any of the posters to this thread are like that, mind.)

Unconditional Love

17:27 / 14.03.08

Oh i am like that on occasion and am willing to admit it and even address it when necessary, nothing wrong with that really alot of that can come from extreme self doubt, pretty human stuff overall.

17:12 / 15.03.08

Would you mind starting another thread for this conversation, as I'd really, really prefer this thread to remain focused on updating barbelith members about the development process of Liminal Nation.

09:02 / 17.03.08

I am copying the posts over to there and deleting them from this thread.

Back on topic, I'm passing on signup details to one or two people who will be great and are interested- watching their little ears prick up when I mentioned the Temple was creating our own board was a balm for my savaged soul, I can tell you.

Regarding the lurkers thing, I was thinking the different rooms concept is perfect for allowing people like stoatie space to interact. To extend the metaphor, while I agree it's better not to have interested layfolk wandering through the back room while people ritually invoke Pan or whatever, having a common room where people can discuss the basic stuff anyone interested always asks would be great.

In my mind the areas of the board have differing granulation from casual to committed interaction and would allow someone to check out LN, get advice and resources to help them as they progress, and either gradually get more involved, or wander off, or just hang out and remain an interested interacting observer.
What I want is a board that allows beginners as much as more experienced wizzards to benefit and contribute.

12:07 / 17.03.08

It all sounds pretty interesting. I look forward to doing some unregistered lurking. Good luck.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

00:21 / 25.03.08

I'm incredably curious as to progress on this. I wasn't reading the board when this project started up so I know I'm coming to the show late.

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