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Iron Man - the movie

 
  

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Seth
22:08 / 20.11.07
"I jumped in there for maybe 12 or 16 bars, nothing too major."

Best.

Description.

Of.

A.

Cameo.

Ever.
 
 
Triplets
14:25 / 21.11.07
Word.

I'm impressed Haus mounted a connection to the 'Face earlier in the thread.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:44 / 21.11.07
It's not all about the ancient Greece and Latin with our Haus, dontcha know.
 
 
grant
15:09 / 21.11.07
Favreau reads Haus.
 
 
yichihyon
09:24 / 29.04.08
Images from a flyer at movie theaters in Korea now. Korean Movie Theaters have cool flyers and Pamphlets they have for advertising pretty much all films released in Korea.





Yes!!!!!! I am going to see this in Korea on the first day of release which is April 30th. I'll post the next day on my feelings and thoughts on the movie. Here's hoping that the 1st foray of Marvel having more control of their properties in films is a big hit.....
 
 
Feverfew
19:14 / 29.04.08
*Cough*.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
09:46 / 30.04.08
Does anyone know where this is previewing in London? I have a strong need to experience the awesome ...
 
 
yichihyon
11:49 / 30.04.08
IronMan 121 cover by Bob Layton

Well I saw Ironman today in the theaters in Korea and in the summer of the showdown of superhero movies this summer Ironman comes out a little timid for a superhero for the shellshocking and rocking Shellhead we know. I know there are some good story arcs about Iron man I heard about like Demon in a bottle and the War machine and I am fond of the Bob Layton comic stories I remember reading as I was a kid but I wonder if anyone will care about Ironman or anyone with little or no comic book knowledge will go see a character that is not known in the public eye as much as Spiderman Batman or Superman.

The script was pretty excellent I thought for a superhero movie. They give Ironman a reworking with a modern twist and spin that calls for a superhero in a time and age where there is war in the Middle East and the character of Ironman must contemplate if arms proliferation is a good idea or not. The dialogue I thought was pretty good and the actors all do a fine remarkable job. Robert Downey Jr, Gwyneth Paltrow, Terence Howard and Jeff Bridges all do a fine job of acting in a superhero movie but being an action sequence drug junkie and in need of new dope action sequences this one doesn't quite deliver anything new in way of memorable battles and action sequences.

This is an origin story and some of the the CGI Ironman sequences were pretty good but what happened? Where did all the money go for a 150 million movie? And you are left wondering if it is all up there on the screen and you are left wondering if they should have made an Ironman movie at all if their weren't any exhilerating scences to lift it from the normal superhero movie fare. Don't get me wrong the CGI in some of the movie is pretty good like the putting on the armor sequences or the goods and gadgets of the armor and even Tony Stark's new lit armor covering over his heart and I can't imagine if Marvel could have pulled this off if it was low budget or not but I think these days we rely too much on CGI where prosthetics and other special effects might have proved to be better. If you saw Invasion and saw the sick bodies that are CGIed you are left to wonder couldn't a fine low budget make up artist make it more believable than the fake CGI stuff?

At the begining of the movie when AC/DC's Back in Black started to play I was beginning to think this was going to rock from start to finish and in some parts it did but I was left craving for more. Stan now The Playboy Lee makes a cameo though! It's great to see the creators of their creations be captured forever in time so that in the future we can remember Stan the Man now The playboy Lee captured having fun and being revered as one of Comicdoms favorite creators ever. The opening was great but I felt there needed to be a more menacing villian that is up to par against Ironman from the very start and real life news with real life type villians at the begining was scary but they get sideswiped early on and you are left craving for more of a battle like for instance maybe Ironman tearing apart a enemy tank limb by limb.

In alot of places this movie respected the character but in someplaces you don't feel the director sometimes feel for the character as much as say Sam Raimi or as much as Mark Steven Johnson did for Ghost Rider but I thought Jon Favreau did a more than adequate job but I felt his heart like the main hero wasn't quite there sometimes.
 
 
rakehell
08:38 / 02.05.08
Saw this last night and love it - my disclaimer would be that I'm a big fan of RDJr and this was a big contributing factor.

I thought the opening of the film was fantastic. Established the status quo quickly and just as quickly turned things upside down.

I thought the first 2/3 of the movie were really well paced and a good mix of comedy, action and high tech.

The movie made me think a lot about comics and how high their suspension of disbelief factor is when Iron Man has been a viable comics character for decades and it's only now that I can really accept an on-screen version. We really are living in the future.

I'm also really glad that the movie has Stan Winston models in it and isn't pure CGI. There are some fantastic animatronics on display and the movie is much better for them.

I don't want to discuss specifics, but perhaps one of the mods could now put a [SPOILERS} warning in the thread title and we get start wallowing in the nerdmud.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:16 / 02.05.08
It's getting fantastic fan and movie reviewer reviews pretty much across the board - very psyched for this.
 
 
Dead Megatron
14:20 / 02.05.08
I've seen it and it is awesome.

[MINOR SPOILERS]







As they say, R.D.Jr is absolute perfect in the role. He owned it like Chritopher Reeve owned Superman in the 1970s and I shall henceforth always picture Tony Stark with his face.

The beginning of the movie is indeed in Afghanistan, but the evil terrorist organization is actually an assorted band of thugs from several nationalities who call themselves the 10 Rings and their leader, who mentions Ghengis Kahn as an inspiration, uses only one ring(obvious sequel nod), which I thought it was cool.

War Machine sequel nods also present.

DON'T leave before the credits. The rumors are true.
 
 
Feverfew
15:33 / 02.05.08
Yes. Yes they are.

I was impressed, personally, by Jeff Bridges as a relatively credible - yet still comic-book style - villain, also.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:19 / 02.05.08
Does anyone call him 'shell-head' in the flick itself? I am geeking out with anticipation (not just about that, of course). Apparently the NYTimes just gave it a great review as well.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:06 / 02.05.08
Does anyone call him 'shell-head' in the flick itself?

Not to my recolection, no.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:26 / 02.05.08
A more measured review from the Guardian.
 
 
grant
23:58 / 02.05.08
One that actually makes me want to see the film more, too!

This: A new superhero is born and he is capable of one extraordinary, mindblowing, superhuman feat that every US presidential candidate dreams about. He can get the hell out of the Middle East!

is good reviewing.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
07:20 / 03.05.08
But I am sorry to say that it is guilty of the sneaky chauvanist trick of making the ultimate villain an American: a mannerism common to many Hollywood movies that cannot quite bring themselves to accord foreigners the status of effective enmity.

I haven't seen this film yet (although I dare say my dance card's pretty much marked on that score) but for those of us who have, would the film's ending have seemed better or worse if Tony had been laying into China, Cuba, England, or even France?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
07:26 / 03.05.08
Not sure about the movie, but, having read his review, I'd be up for crushing Peter Bradshaw's home, having been turned to steel, in the great magnetic field.

'Nobody wants you' they'd say, the locals, they'd just turn their heads. But I would have my revenge.
 
 
Seth
07:33 / 03.05.08
I wondered that about the Guardian review too, Granny. Does this leave movie makers in a damned if they do, damned if they don't position with regard villains? Or can someone enlighten me if I'm missing one of the finer points of right-on-ness (as I sometimes do)?
 
 
Seth
07:36 / 03.05.08
I mean, I appreciate that it's possible to make a movie without a simple antagonist, or indeed without an antagonist at all... but if you're going to go all out and have a *villain* you've got to pick someone, surely?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:32 / 03.05.08
That did seem an odd complaint - I think the idea is that it's poor storytelling to start off with the bad guys as foreigners, and then switch out so that the head of the sinister organisation is in fact an American after all, and that America is therefore hegemon of badness as well as goodness - but as a criticism that doesn't really resonate with me. Having said which, I do rather miss the good old days when every bad guy was a British actor with an Afrikaans accent.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:03 / 03.05.08
But yes - it seems the issue is "ultimate villain" - which I think is the 24 thing where for the first 18 epsiodes the big bad appears to be an Islamic extremist, but then - shock! - the American financier emerges from the wings and turns out to have been behind it all along. So the bad guy being an American is not structurally the problem he's complaining about.
 
 
Dead Megatron
13:18 / 03.05.08
I think the fact the ultimate baddie was an American is not only due to the need to have a non-foreigner enemy (which I don't deny it has its weight), but it also have a lot to do with the old Hollywood action/espionage thriller cliché that there has to be a traitor, and the closest tothe hero they are at the beginning of the movie, the better. Hence, the American badguy, who does not only came form the same country as the hero, he also comes from the same family. (%surprise, surprise%, you know). If it was not for pre-established comic book lore, the traitor could just as well have been the Military, the Shield agent, or even Pepper Pots (who are all, admitedly, also American). Heck, even the Yensen guru-guy could have turned out to be the real-badguy-behind-it-all in the end.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:37 / 03.05.08
Not seen IM yet, but I was under the impression that Hollywood tended to favour Brits for the big bad guy role?

(EDIT- Haus knows where I'm coming from).
 
 
Triplets
17:38 / 03.05.08
Or Brits playing Germans for extra sauce. Hello, family Gruber.
 
 
FinderWolf
23:30 / 03.05.08
Just saw IM, really great flick. Entertaining and smart; slickly made and a great performance from Downey Jr. Staying til the end, as many of you have heard, yields a great tidbit.

The Action Room takes on Iron Man, fusing it with Favreau's SWINGERS...!
 
 
GogMickGog
23:40 / 03.05.08
Well, that was an entertaining 2 hours. Dumb, for sure, but do Marvel ever do probing? One doubts it.

Instead, we had Downey Jr. cast as himself and a fair few minutes of guys in (metallic) tights whumping each other, mixed in with all the obligatory origin nonsense and some rare wit.Plus that Sabbath inthused pay off - yes please!

And I take it we all know there's a post credits bonus? Yuh-huh.

This fanboy's a happy one.
 
 
FinderWolf
00:01 / 04.05.08
I especially loved the final line (meaning the final line before the credits). A good twist, a genuine surprise and pulling out the rug from under the whole ID superhero cliche.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:10 / 04.05.08
I mean, I appreciate that it's possible to make a movie without a simple antagonist, or indeed without an antagonist at all... but if you're going to go all out and have a *villain* you've got to pick someone, surely?

Well indeed. I just don't see what's 'sneaky' or 'chauvanist' about making the villian an American, is all. My worry is that if Peter Bradshaw doesn't feel like a buster at the moment, he's quite mistaken.
 
 
Dead Megatron
03:09 / 04.05.08
I especially loved the final line (meaning the final line before the credits). A good twist, a genuine surprise and pulling out the rug from under the whole ID superhero cliche.

Yeah, I always wondered why would a self-indulging, narcisistic, millionaire genious would pretend not to be the super-hero in an extremely cool flying armored suit he made himself. I was all going, oh no, not the body-guard BS I hated even as a kid watching Marvel cartoons on TV. And then he throws the cue cards away and says with a smile: "Yes, I am the Iron Man"*, and totally defenestrates the concept. Way to go, Favreau and writers.


* I also liked the way the super-hero is named only in this very final line of the movie. It was like the flick wore the origin story mantle with pride, which is an interesting change of pace. Good super-hero movies are the ones who make you want for the sequel. RIGHT. NOW!!! And that totally did it for me.
 
 
Seth
07:56 / 04.05.08
That was ace. Quite apart from all the standard superhero awesomeness it had a really sharp, funny script with a frankly jaw dropping final line from Downey Jnr (who was pretty perfect in every respect). T'was goodly good.
 
 
Spaniel
08:11 / 04.05.08
I liked it up until the final reel. Stane leaping into the Iron Monger suit just didn't make the requisite amount of sense to me. And I thought the final battle was witless and boring, but that probably had something to do with the aforementioned irritation.

Was it just me, or were women particularly badly treated in this movie? Even by Hollywood standards, I mean.
 
 
Dead Megatron
10:02 / 04.05.08
It seemed to me like the usual bad treatment of women in Hollywood summer flicks, but I admit I was distracted by the shining armors.

Stane in the Iron Monger was a bit out of character, yes, but give the guy a break. If you were a comic book vilain pretending to be a nice guy for at least 20 years, you'd welcome a chance to let it all out for once (and the character does acknowledge he is doing something he would not normally do)
 
 
FinderWolf
10:35 / 04.05.08
The writers even make fun of the 'bodyguard' concept in Downey, Jr.'s flippant line mocking the SHIELD cover story he's been provided.

I saw it Saturday afternoon and there were many vocal, enthusiastic comic book fans in attendance - shouting out "WAR MACHINE" when Rhodey entertains thoughts of putting on a suit and clapping and cheering when SHIELD was finally named. Lots of cheering at the various versions of the Iron Man suit reveals, etc.

Yeah, the fight with Iron Monger/Stane was a bit boring -- cliche dialogue/monologuing from Stane. The fight had sort of slow, ponderious pacing... I found that I wasn't very much into the action of that scene. That's one critique I've seen in many reviews that I feel is valid across the board.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
15:51 / 04.05.08
I saw it Saturday afternoon and there were many vocal, enthusiastic comic book fans in attendance - shouting out "WAR MACHINE" when Rhodey entertains thoughts of putting on a suit and clapping and cheering when SHIELD was finally named. Lots of cheering at the various versions of the Iron Man suit reveals, etc.

That doesn't sound good.

I was supposed (admittedly under protest) to be going to see it this evening, but I don't think I will now. If you clap and cheer at a football match, you can reasonably expect some sort of reaction from the guys on the pitch. Who though, apart from the dangerously unhinged, would applaud a film, throughout? To the extent of chanting 'WAR MACHINE!'? Some of the audience might have brought their mothers, their non-comics-reading friends, or their life partners along.

As part of the comics-reading ommunity, I feel it's always important to make the unitiated feel as if they aren't about to drown in a river of git milk.
 
  

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