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Harry Potter And the Deathly Hallows - Speculation and SPOILERS Thread

 
  

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Mistoffelees
21:55 / 19.08.07
How cross would I be if I'd raised a kid and then the ungrateful little so-and-so saw fit to wipe herself out of my head? Very cross!

That seems a bit harsh towards Hermione. What was she supposed to do to get her parents out of harmĀ“s way? Lucius Malfoy had seen her parents in the Diagon Alley bookshop in the second novel ("socializing with muggels" etc); and her helpless muggel parents would have been an easy target to get to Hermione and then to Potter. As an underage fugitive, her options were probably very limited, and she had to act quickly.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:04 / 19.08.07
Well, she could have tried treating them like adults, sitting them down, explaining the situation (if there's anything that anyone in the Rowlingverse will understand it's "There's a war on, you know!") and then taking steps to get them out of harm's way. We already know that repeated or deep memory modification can damage the subject, so Hermione is being a bit FTGG right there.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:11 / 20.08.07
She could have explained all of this to her parent's before she wiped their memories...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:28 / 20.08.07
I'm sorry but Molly Weasley howling ''NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!'' at a death eater is definitely cool, which is lucky because the vast majority of King's review is suxxor (though he's not wrong when he says children's literature is probably stronger than adult's literature).
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:30 / 20.08.07
Yeah, Molly Weasly flipping out was awesome.
 
 
grant
16:01 / 20.08.07
How cross would I be if I'd raised a kid and then the ungrateful little so-and-so saw fit to wipe herself out of my head? Very cross!

Haus! She's onto us! MOM'S ONTO US!!

You'll have to do it again.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:39 / 20.08.07
That would make an awesome fic though.

"You wiped our WHAT!? You little madam! You're not too old to go over my knee!"
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:14 / 22.08.07
As for his occupation, Harry, along with Ron, is working at the Auror Department at the Ministry of Magic. After all these years, Harry is now the department head.

Well, seeing as the last book takes place at the end of the 90s and Harry was taken out of proper school at 11 and what we know of the curriculum at Hogwarts Harry knows little of literature, science, music and culture, geography, history, languages, English grammar, finance (although he's loaded so that doesn't matter much) and any number of things, which means he has to rely on magic to make up for it. Does anyone else apart from me see Harry's being a department head an example of The Dilbert Principle in action, rather than based on his talent?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:17 / 22.08.07
Harry knows little of literature, science, music and culture, geography, history, languages, English grammar, finance (although he's loaded so that doesn't matter much) and any number of things, which means he has to rely on magic to make up for it.

Some things I'd like to point out to you:

1) Finance is not something you learn in school
2) Harry has wizarding history lessons (relevant I feel)
3) You had culture lessons???????
4) Music lessons consisted of playing a triangle/xylophone (badly), many people do little beyond that.
5) It's true that English lessons were not taught at Hogwarts as far as is discernible, which is a little confusing.
6) What is wizarding science. Magic does not follow the laws of physics.
7) He's a department head in the Ministry of Magic.
 
 
zute_justzute
15:51 / 27.08.07
My favourite part was "The Prince's Tale." I liked that Snape was in love with Lily and that Aunt Petunia wrote to Dumbledore asking if she could go to Hogwarts too. This chapter changes things from the previous books. When Aunt Petunia said that she knew about dementors because she heard "that boy" telling Lily about them, she wasn't talking about James, she was talking about Snape. And in the third book when Snape showed up to capture Sirius, it wasn't because of an old grudge, it was because he thought that Sirius was responsible for Lily's death. And Lily and Snape were both good potions students. Was Snape helping Lily with her homework, or was Lily helping Snape with his homework? I want to re-read all the other books now that I have this information about Lily, Snape and Aunt Petunia!

Apparently J.K. Rowling is writing an encyclopedia about the wizarding world. I think that this would be extremely boring. I like my fiction to have a plot and my encyclopedias to have actual facts. I think Beedle the Bard's Fairy Tales would be a more interesting read. She should write that instead, it would be hella cool.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
16:25 / 27.08.07
Finance is not something you learn in school

We had Accounting classes (optional) and an "Economics" class which was actually "how to balance your checkbook and make a budget" class (not optional) in high school. Would that count? We had a Humanities class too, which I suppose might be culture. I don't remember anything except not liking Bradbury's Dandelion Wine much at the time, but I think it was kind of a vague history of literature/art periods and scattered examples.

The points are well made though. surely there's no point learning Muggle history since it's all wrong anyway, and it's clear there's no real need to learn science much either.

the school thing is a bit funny really...they start when they're 11 or so, right? what were they doing before that, all home schooled? it seems like it'd make a lot of sense to send them all off to public Muggle schools until then, just so they'd have half an idea what the other 98% of the world was thinking. and then they'd have to learn basic math. and English.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:43 / 27.08.07
Also note that there is no wizarding tertiary education, as far as one can tell. There is Hogwarts, to which almost all wizarding families in Britain send their children, and then people go from there straight into careers - as far as one can tell, shopkeeping, innkeeping, teaching at Hogwarts or working for the Ministry of Magic. The wizarding society, if anything, rather resembles a slightly more meritocratic version of Saudi Arabia.
 
 
grant
18:31 / 27.08.07
I'm not sure there are enough of them to keep a university going, actually. How many are there? A few thousand? I mean, if nearly the whole population of Europe attends three primary schools....
 
 
zute_justzute
19:22 / 27.08.07
But isn't there more education to become an auror? I thought there was an auror academy and that Tonks was Mad Eye's favourite student.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:30 / 27.08.07
The intake of wizards at Hogwarts is roughly ten children in each house per year - Harry Potter's year in Gryffindor has eight named members, five boys and three girls, and there is a fanon assumption that there are two more female members who have never been named. So, 8-10 students a house, 32-40 a year, 224-280 students in total at any given time, of whom around four - over one percent of the entire school-age wizarding population of the United Kingdom - are Weasleys at any given time up to the end of Book 5, and many of whom are in some way related to the Black family. Most wizarding families seem to live long lives and not have so many children, but it might not be unreasonable to estimate that there are 300 families of on average 6 members with children of age to be at Hogwarts, perhaps another 400 who are recent graduates and/or childless (although in general wizards seem not to have any idea of contraception), some smaller families where the grandparents have died off without being replaced by grandchildren... I think you could fit the entire population into a good-sized village. So, yes, tertiary education would have to be a single small institution - assuming that half of the Hogwarts intake wanted to go, and courses were on average three years, you'd have a student body rather smaller than my rather small college - with tuition either really quite expensive or very heavily subsidised by the mysterious coffers of the Ministry. Nonetheless, it does seem to be an odd omission, given that the social and economic structure of the wizarding world already makes dick-all sense.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
19:50 / 27.08.07
yeah, I was sort of wondering about college. sure, you don't need to study science because there's no point understanding internal combustion engines when you can just Apparate. but who studies the science substitute, magic? like, who invented Apparation? where is it that one learns the science of WHY these spells work and how to possibly go about creating new ones (rather than just memorizing everything)?

I suppose just as primary school seems to be all home-schooling, maybe tertiary school is replaced by an apprentice-journeyman-master kind of thing. might be more traditionally wizardish anyway.

don't think she ever exactly mentioned that though.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:58 / 27.08.07
Zute: You're absolutely right - Tonks graduated from Hogwarts in 1991, and spent three years at Auror academy. Which... hmm, let's see. How many aurors does Hogwarts produce a year? We know that Harry and Ron become aurors, so that's two. Out of a total graduating year of 30 to 40, I don't imagine that there will be many more than that... so, the Auror academy might have about ten or twelve people studying at any given time?
 
 
zute_justzute
23:26 / 27.08.07
They probably need extra training for other professions as well, such as medical training to be a healer at St. Mungo's, etc. Mad Eye was also an auror at the ministry, so maybe the auror academy is kind of like an apprenticeship at the ministry as well. I mean, it wouldn't make much sense to have a separate place for the auror academy with so few students, and Mad Eye can't really be in two places at once, unless he has a time turner like the one Hermione had in Prisoner of Azkaban.
 
  

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