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Harry Potter And the Deathly Hallows - Speculation and SPOILERS Thread

 
  

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Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:35 / 28.07.07
J.K. has started writing again apparently. A book for kids and another book for adults. Is it too much to hope the adult one is called We Need to Talk About Teddy?
 
 
Mono
10:58 / 28.07.07
I am totally ROFL, LADY!!!

And seriously, the kids names are frickin' awesome--going to name my first born "Albus Severus" for sure. Wonder what Mork will think about that...
 
 
Baz Auckland
03:08 / 29.07.07
I thought the coda was a bad ending, just because it makes it seem like after everything that happened, nothing changed!

Like others said above, you don't know because it's been 19 years, but it makes it seems like everybody just picked up where they left off, there was a new Minister of Magic, a new headmaster, and ta-da! Back to normal! New kids, going to Hogwarts, Professor Longbottom, Slytherin are bad, etc. etc.

I think I'm still bitter about the ending of the 4th book, which had the whole "war is starting! be afraid!" finale, but then was followed by 2 books of attending classes and complaining about homework... no change!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:27 / 30.07.07
It's noticeable that J.K. sidesteps the 'what are we going to do after we finish school' thing that Harry, Ron and Hermione had in (IIRC) Book Five, just as J.K. never explains exactly how little witches and wizards are taught how to read, write or boring mundane subjects like geography, and how she never quite manages to create a truly convincing magical society outside of the Ministry of Magic, Hogwarts or Diagon Alley, so it's sidestepped by not touching on what Harry, Ginny, Ron and Hermione do for a living, although presumably Harry has now inherited the money in Gringotts and is now a smug Hampstead liberal...
 
 
Mistoffelees
08:52 / 30.07.07
No, according to a recent JKR interview, he´ll work in the ministry.

"... Harry, along with Ron, is working at the Auror Department at the Ministry of Magic. After all these years, Harry is now the department head."

",,, Hermione, Ron’s wife, is “pretty high up” in the Department of Magical Law Enforcement,..."
 
 
EvskiG
17:48 / 30.07.07
Additional info from Rowling here.

Looks like Ginny played professional Quiddich for a while before becoming a sports journalist.

Lots more.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:29 / 30.07.07
Wow. Too bad none of that actually made it into the book.

Oh well, when the money starts to run out, she's got things to write about.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:27 / 31.07.07
he´ll work in the ministry.

Harry Potter,
Works in civil service,
Harry Potter,
It's steady employment,
Harry Potter,
Is a Quidditch fanatic,
Harry Potter,
But his bludging's erratic...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:56 / 01.08.07
The Mirror has got the 'what they did next' story and have her saying Ron working in the joke shop with whichever twin it was that didn't die.
 
 
grant
01:03 / 03.08.07
1. Didn't Mme Rowling say that the last bit was something she'd written at around the same time she did the first book? I seem to remember something "from the start" about it?

2. The Hallows bit also seemed reminiscent of the first book - old magic items, most folks think they're legendary, actually real things made by real people. There's magic and then there's magic.

3. a. An item left by an absent relative!
_b. Makes wearer invisible!
_c.1. Has an unexpected backstory linked to big, evil dude!
_c.2. who's busy searching for it for most of the story!
One cloak to rule them all! And in the darkness bind them!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:40 / 03.08.07
Book 7 was pretty heavy on the Tolkein vibe, I have to say--the way the horcruxes made the three of them go crazy on each other and tried to poison them. Luckily, while Frodo whined, whimpered, and fell over a lot (much like Harry does in Book 3), they got over it a lot faster. But Ron was well on his way to Gollumhood at one point.
 
 
wicker woman
04:34 / 03.08.07
In an online Q & A, Rowling answers a good deal of what happened in those 19 years.

One thing that has never been answered to my satisfaction is... What's the deal with the paintings? Not the regular 'living' paintings that cover the walls of the school, I mean ones like the Headmaster's portraits in Dumbledore's office, or the one of Sirius' mother in Grimmauld Place. Are they the actual souls of the people, living on forever in Paint Land (kinda like Robin Williams in What Dreams May Come), memories captured up to the point of death that can simulate how that person would react, or something else?
 
 
wicker woman
04:37 / 03.08.07
http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showtopic=52928&hl=

About 8 posts down is the Q & A.
 
 
grant
17:47 / 15.08.07
Have y'all already read Stephen King's review of the whole series?

He really likes the epilogue - I think because it fits into his angle on what makes the series work.
 
 
Katherine
07:39 / 16.08.07
The clearest sign of how adult the books had become by the conclusion arrives — and splendidly — in Deathly Hallows, when Mrs. Weasley sees the odious Bellatrix Lestrange trying to finish off Ginny with a Killing Curse. ''NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!'' she cries. It's the most shocking bitch in recent fiction; since there's virtually no cursing (of the linguistic kind, anyway) in the Potter books, this one hits home with almost fatal force. It is totally correct in its context — perfect, really — but it is also a quintessentially adult response to a child's peril From the Review in the above link.

Well he is a little wrong there, in the Half Blood Prince the word 'slut' is used at least once and I am sure 'bitch' has been used before too. It was this change in language usage from the fourth to the fifth book which basically made me realise that Rowling was not writing for the original target audience.
 
 
Mistoffelees
08:15 / 16.08.07
I didn´t understand, why so many people thought that scene was cool. I just saw this as Rowling´s version of that famous Aliens scene, where Ripley confronts the Alien Queen with a flamethrower.

And it´s such a cliché in stories, that you shout at or say something ("only a machine", etc.) to your enemy, before you attack him. It took Mrs Weasley several seconds ("get out of the way") to even reach Bellatrix after that caps lock exclamation. Adult wizards are supposed to be able to cast spells without talking. So both of them could have laid waste at each other in the time Mrs. Weasley is being melodramatic. But logic gets thrown out of the window for cheap dramatic effect. If this makes the movie, it could turn out quite cringeworthy.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:09 / 18.08.07
Not if they find some way to stick Julie Walters into a giant mechanised Walker first. Then it would ROCK!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:19 / 18.08.07
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So, I can't be bothered to read it again - how did the boy Longbottom get hold of the sword at the end?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:23 / 18.08.07
Heterosexuality makes everything better and it's chocolate frogs for lunch. Hoorah!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:24 / 18.08.07
By which I mean, fuck a coda.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:24 / 18.08.07
Haus: Nev is a Gryfinndor, brave and true, so he just pulled it out the bloody Sorting Hat again.
 
 
Mistoffelees
11:50 / 18.08.07
This plot device is also known as swordeus ex hatinga.
 
 
This Sunday
12:15 / 18.08.07
I've been slightly ignoring this thread, but does Hermione ever really need to be known as Hermione, Ron’s wife? Shouldn't Ron be getting some 'Mr. Granger' stuff instead? I mean, it's Ron and all.

And, in much agreement with Papers, it's too bad none of this ace future-history is in the texts. But, then, perhaps having accomplishments and lives isn't nearly as important and marrying your schoolyard sweetheart and having some kids you can inflict cruel names on.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:09 / 18.08.07
Presumably Harry uses the Deathly Hallows to hang out with his parents and Sirius, then when the thrill runs out he uses it to talk to Frank Zappa and Paula Yates...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:54 / 18.08.07
Stop making up Latin words, it's strangely horrible and I don't know why. I know it's Gladius ex Something. What's a hat?
 
 
Jack Fear
23:29 / 18.08.07
Apex, innit? Gladius ex Apex.
 
 
sorenson
08:34 / 19.08.07
I didn't have any expectations of this (except for an almost manic hope that Snape wasn't BAD), but I was still disappointed. I get the feeling that as the franchise has become more and more frantic, the willingness of JK's publishing house to actually edit the books has diminished accordingly, such that the last three in particular have really suffered. I started reading Deathly Hallows by reading it out aloud to my partner (so neither would have to wait until the other had read it) but the prose was so awful that I couldn't stand it and I gave up - we read it in turns (life is in shifts with a new baby anyway).

Complaints about the writing aside, I thought that most of this final book's flaws stemmed from one fatal mistake - I don't think she ever should have taken it out of Hogwarts. These are essentially good old fashioned school stories, and by a) removing the main three characters from Hogwarts and b) not really allowing the narrative to shift away from Harry, she limited herself to a very narrow range of storytelling possibilities. I was so utterly bored in the first half of the book with all that 'now we're in a forest, now we're in another forest, now we're fighting, now we're in the tent, now we're out of the tent, now we're on a moor' etc etc - all I wanted was to find out what life was like in Hogwarts with Snape as headmaster! Imagine how much more interesting it would have been if they'd stayed at school - the friction between Harry and Snape (OK I'm a Snape fan), the tension with Ginny, the underground movement of the students...

And so while I was happy that Snape was GOOD, I was also really disappointed that his story, which was so much more interesting than Harry's, was relegated to a couple of pages of expose at the end. I was also really sad that he died - it was the only death that moved me, actually (except maybe Hedwig and Fred, a little).

Oh, and I thought the coda was crap. For pretty much the same reasons that have already been given in this thread.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:05 / 19.08.07
Gladius ex Apex.

Ten points from Hufflepuff. Revise third declension noun endings.

So, is this what actually happens? With the sorting hat? But... it isn't there. Griphook ran away with it. I am confused.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:24 / 19.08.07
while I was happy that Snape was GOOD, I was also really disappointed that his story, which was so much more interesting than Harry's, was relegated to a couple of pages of expose at the end.

Dude, I KNOW. What was all that about eh? I mean, hooray for Snape dies gazing into Harry's eyes OMG ded from angst/squee etc, but -4000000 points from JKR's hourglass for rendering the long-awaited Redemption of Snape in bloody Pensieve-O-Vision.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:31 / 19.08.07
Same way it got from its case in the Headmaster's office down into the Chamber of Secrets, back in Book 2. Simultaneous to Neville reaching fumblingly into the Sorting Apex, cut to Griphook, in his lair hundreds of miles away, lovingly stroking his precious, precious Sword of Gryffindor... which fades away, leaving him clutching thin air, whilst simultaneously materializing in the Boy Longbottom's sweaty grasp away Oop Noorth at Hogwart's.

That is: there is only one Sword, but it is wherever it needs to be. Cos it's MAGIC!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:33 / 19.08.07
sorenson Complaints about the writing aside, I thought that most of this final book's flaws stemmed from one fatal mistake - I don't think she ever should have taken it out of Hogwarts.

God no. Bad enough that Harry was sent back to the Dursleys again to enjoy the ticking down of his protection there but then to try and arrange things so he spent the entire book at Hogwarts? It would have ended up like an even worse version of Order of the Phoenix and that was bad enough to start with.

After Half-Blood Prince I expected Harry to take command of the Order and to go to Godric's Hollow as the first order of business, instead we get Rowling flailing around for several hundred pages between the end of the wedding and Harry and Hermione heading there without any real idea what to do.
 
 
Princess
20:22 / 19.08.07
Did anyone else feel the parralells between muggles and holocaust victims odd? I just wasn't sure what to make of it. I wasn't even sure if I was adding it in or if it was there.

The whole Nazis = death eaters theme seemed a bit incongruous.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:27 / 19.08.07
It was there, Princess, though I don't think Rowling did a very convincing job with it, she didn't seem to quite now how to handle the metaphor once it was there. I think it might have evened out with a few more drafts...
 
 
Princess
20:58 / 19.08.07
And the Grundlewald (sp?) symbol? I got that it was like the swastika and had changed meaning as it got linked with massacring people.

But I just wasn't sure why it was important to know that. Maybe the transformation was meant to tie in with Dumbledores un-transformation from muggl-ist into super cool guy again. But I didn't get it.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:24 / 19.08.07
That whole Death Eaters = Nazis thing could have been pretty cool, but it was handled wrong. Made me cringe. It was sort of both heavy-handed and yet toothless, like it got flagged really heavily but didn't actually do anything much or go anywhere, except Godwinwards. There was no sense that she was trying to use the parallel to illustrate anything. I can totally see someone using this to offer a warning for her readers about the real perils of bigotry and prejudice which will no doubt face every new generation, but any such message founders too easily on the minority status of wizards and the paternalistic attitude towards muggles. I mean WTF is with all the memory modification? How is that okay? It's not okay! Even Hermione thinks nothing of wiping her own parents brains. How cross would I be if I'd raised a kid and then the ungrateful little so-and-so saw fit to wipe herself out of my head? Very cross!

The parallel seemed to work best at a personal level. I did like Snape's loss of Lily over his fall into Death Eaterdom (all half-a-dozen sentences of it, squander much?), and the presumable iron doors of Snape's heart slamming shut thereafter with tragic etc etc. There's not really the sense of a brave but flawed young man teetering on the edge of heroism, then being flung the wrong way, then finding redemption at a horrendous cost, but if you cared enough you could pretend like there was.

(Incidentally, the Potter series is the best argument I've ever encountered for the worthiness of fanfic esp. slash. You want to grab the pen off JKR and do it PROPERLY.)
 
  

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