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Doctor Who: The Runaway Bride/Season 3 Discussion [PICS]

 
  

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Lama glama
11:28 / 10.08.06
I'm sure that any fans of Doctor Who have already stumbled across the updated BBC website and article, so there's little need to reproduce it here.



The news I'm most pleased about from this press report, is that the enemy in the Christmas special will be played by Sarah Parish. Having just watched the whole run of Blackpool in the space of three days, I have to say that I loved the chemistry between these two and hope that we get something as exciting (although it obviously won't be a romantic relationship) in the Runaway Bride.

And here's the press release.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:29 / 10.08.06
The storyline features the return of the Robot Santas

Oh, Russellpaws.
 
 
Triplets
12:44 / 10.08.06
sinister intelligence at work in 1930's New York

Zepellins! Nazis! Rum!

Whorgasm!
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
13:37 / 10.08.06
(Kali begins weeping with joy)
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
13:58 / 10.08.06
John Barrowman back for the finale???

WILD SPECULATION GO!
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
14:40 / 10.08.06
Oh, that's easy. Jack returns when he realizes that he hasn't hit on the current incarnation of the Doctor and definitely hasn't hit on his new companion.
 
 
Lama glama
19:29 / 10.08.06
This is an interesting bit of news that I culled from today's Daily Star:

At the end of the next series, the Time Lord will reveal he has a son.

The rest of the article is just fluff surrounding the actual bit of gossip. I'd like to see Russell Brand cast as the Doctor's womanising son, stroking his dinkle to an upright position, much like the central column of the TARDIS and then..oh, you get the joke.

There was a bit of hinting about this in "Fear Her" last year-well, not so much hinting as an outright statement, but it'll be interesting to see the Doctor with a relative (other than Susan). Maybe Jack's return at the end of the season will be related to the appearance of his son.

Perhaps his son will just be one of many surviving Time Lords including the Rani, who has Zoe Lucker of Footballer's Wives "fame" reportedly cast in the role.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
19:43 / 10.08.06
I'm really trying to decide how I feel about that piece of news. It's not settling in very well so far.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:37 / 10.08.06
I'm really trying to think what the son angle would add to the story and I can't think of anything. I don't mean this from the angle of being an old school Who fan or, as you lot would like to believe, Mr Grumpy who Hates Everything. If you want to do a story about the Doctor and responsibility, he's responsible for his people being wiped out as well as two former companions, surely that's a more fruitful path to take (Romana regenerated as a Sarah Connor-a-like, looking for the Doctor for revenge)?

However, the Daily Star is not exactly the journal of record. And there was the 'Anthony Stewart Head plays the Master!' misinfo, so I reckon someone heard someone heard someone heard someone else say "The Doctor stands under the sun!" and it's Chinese whispers.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
20:46 / 10.08.06
I'm hoping it is a case of Chinese whispers meself.

Every time I look at the pic posted at the beginning of this thread, all I can think is: "Goddamn, that is one helluva suit."
 
 
iamus
23:19 / 10.08.06
I love that suit.

I also love that Martha is a medical student.
 
 
Tom Coates
09:05 / 11.08.06
The son thing isn't exactly new - I mean let's be clear, right at the beginning of the series he had a female companion called Susan who called him Grandfather, and although there's been debate about whether that's actually the case or not, it's never been demonstrated that it's not true. And by my reckoning, having a grandchild suggests you've had a child somewhere along the way - even if it is a long time ago.

I have this theory about regenerations which is that it really is like a part dies and a new part emerges in the Timelord in question. There's continuity and memory, but you lose a chunk and grow a chunk. That's how they manage to remain youthful and engaged and how they can get over horrible things that have happened to them. Eccleston -> Tennant releases a whole lot of the burdens that he's been carrying with him, and gives him a new lease of life. He doesn't forget that stuff, but the scars evaporate. But his first incarnation lived a long time - a long time - and grew old and died. It's not weird to me that he had a child then, or that he's a bit disconnected from the idea now.

I'd really really love them to do an episode in which the Doctor relives at accelerated speed some of the things that happened to him before he started travelling. Not necessarily an origin or whatever, but kind of snippets - the first doctor appearing as a twenty something rebelling or being frustrated and absconding off into the universe, travelling for a couple of hundred years having relationships, settling down with someone and watching them get old and die, his son rebelling and charging off into space, his son's child having a child and then another child, each generation getting shorter and shorter lived, until they're practically human. Conflicts arising on the planet and the old Doctor is left running away from his home with his great-great-grand-daughter or something and starting a more transient way of life.

Or perhaps his daughter inherits regeneration abilities but without the control of the Time Lords and when near death regenerates and changes but has almost no memory of her previous life.

I think you could do all of that, sketchily and briefly, in a forty minute episode, leaving gaps all over the place and making it understandable why the doctor doesn't get attached to people, and why he had such a strong relationship with Romana and why being the last Time Lord is such a big deal.
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:33 / 11.08.06
If I don't say anything about The Master this time around do you think there's a chance he'll show up?

I...umm...oh bugger.

I may well be the only person in the audiance who thinks the return of the Eeevil Santas would be quite good. I liked the idea of this race of beings that moved ahead of invasion fleets scavenging and raiding. Taking advantage of the chaos.

There's a part of me that feels the robot Santas should be this ever present thing in the Christmas specials, never really explained and only there because something worse is in the background. Harbingers.

Yeah I know, it'd be crap in practise, and get real old real quick (as in already). Still, a body can dream.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:44 / 11.08.06
the Rani, who has Zoe Lucker of Footballer's Wives "fame" reportedly cast in the role.

This must happen.
 
 
iamus
10:31 / 11.08.06
If you want to do a story about the Doctor and responsibility, he's responsible for his people being wiped out as well as two former companions, surely that's a more fruitful path to take

I'd expect it would be less about responsibility in and of itself, more to do with the whole lonlieness/relationship angle they've been building up over both seasons. The whole "I was a dad once" thing was flagged up in that context so you'd reckon it'd be continued in such a way.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:43 / 11.08.06
They won't do it this season but I do think they should cover what happened to Ace (I want some Aldred action and I want it now).

The Rani, huh, she's Master methodone. Still, some renegade Time Lord action is better than none. I wonder if it's RTD wanting to do a Doctor/Master flirtation thing but bowing to Whovian pressure from Faction DOCTR IS NOT TEH GAYERS?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:14 / 11.08.06
I wonder if wearing a tinfoil hat will keep me safe?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
13:12 / 11.08.06
Shit, iamus, I think Tom's post has just given you a run for your money.

I love the idea that with every regeneration, the Doctor gains a chunk of memory, but also loses a chunk of memory. It makes perfect sense when you think about it.
 
 
Tom Coates
18:31 / 11.08.06
I don't think it's memory as such as much as it is connection to that memory - that the personality is lost a bit, something older dies and something new appears. It's like a cycle something drops off the back, the older bits of the personality, and something new appears at the front - something fresh and new and unexpected. You can do all kinds of things with this - the circumstances of the regeneration causing different sizes of shift, more catastrophic character shifts happening when there's less continuity of character, where there's more trauma. You could even argue that there's not twelve regenerations to each timelord - but in fact that's just a normal age for TImelords to die - like four score years and ten or whatever. The less traumatic the life, the less devastating the deaths, the more the process is like a continuity and the more regenerations an individual timelord might have (up to thirteen or even fourteen, perhaps - not that it'll apply to the Doctor).

People carry scars around with them all of their lives. How great would it be if you felt like a sufficiently different person with a fresh start to put all that behind you and take on another life without all that pain dragging around behind you for ever. I sort of think that must be what regeneration is like - you're a whole new you, with all the energy and dynamism and ability to learn again and be surprised and a desire to re-experience the world much of which you might only feel like you've experienced second hand - through the memories of your predecessors.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
18:44 / 11.08.06
People carry scars around with them all of their lives. How great would it be if you felt like a sufficiently different person with a fresh start to put all that behind you and take on another life without all that pain dragging around behind you for ever. I sort of think that must be what regeneration is like - you're a whole new you, with all the energy and dynamism and ability to learn again and be surprised and a desire to re-experience the world much of which you might only feel like you've experienced second hand - through the memories of your predecessors.

Damn, Tom, you're twice the hero to me you were before. I have always been obsessed with the idea of being able to shed everything you were before, including the pain, and starting all over again. And I think when the Doctor regenerated most of that burden he carried around with him dissipated. It left a Doctor more open to wonder and amazement.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:23 / 11.08.06
I still on season one down here in Brazil (where, btw, the original series was never aired, and is knows only amongst the geekiest of circles), but I really love the 9th Doctor, and I feel I'll miss him dearly when he's gone.

What I want to ask, thus, is this: which Doctor you people like best? The 9th or the 10th? And, which of of the eight Doctors of the classic series is the best? And, in all, which one is best?

I wonder what they (the writers) will do when they finally reach the 12th Doctor...

And I have to say, the 10th Doctor's new traveling companion is really pretty...
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
20:40 / 11.08.06
I will always love the Ninth Doctor, and I will always treasure the Fourth Doctor since he was part of my childhood landscape.

The Tenth Doctor won me over after the season two finale. Seriously, there were tears.
 
 
Tom Coates
20:51 / 11.08.06
I have to say, I grew up with Peter Davison, and I'll always love him and think he was awesome. Tom Baker I discovered later and agree was a classic Who. Liked Ecclestone a fair amount but actually much prefer David Tennant. He's actually quite Davisonish at times.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
20:52 / 11.08.06
It doesn't hurt that Tennant is almost inhumanly pretty either.

Eccleston is handsome, but not pretty.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:54 / 11.08.06
Tom Baker is my doctor, always was and always will be. The 10th Doctor is lovely eye candy though.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
20:57 / 11.08.06
My favorite things about the Tenth Doctor: the suit, the glasses, the wickedly pointy teeth.

That fucking suit, I swear.....
 
 
iamus
21:17 / 11.08.06
I don't think it's memory as such as much as it is connection to that memory - that the personality is lost a bit, something older dies and something new appears.

That's along the lines I've been thinking, though I don't reckon I pinned it down in as many words.

Yeah, basically that. Though it seems like the actual circumstances of regeneration play a huge part in who The Doctor becomes. As far as we can surmise, Doctor 8 regenerated into Doctor 9 as a direct result of the actions that killed off both the Daleks (temporarily) and the Time Lords. Result of that is that 9 seemed perpetually caught in that moment, like a birth trauma that has severe emotional effects on adult life. It almost totally informed the way he viewed an interacted with everything.

The regeneration from 9 to 10 was as symbolic a rebirth as it was physical. By resolving an almost identical situation in a very different way, Rose liberates him from the destructive behaviours that he's imprinted on himself. I think that breath out after the kiss is very important. That's not really time-vortex stuff, that's all the emotional and physical pain that he's breathing out. He regenerates here because there's nothing else that could happen. Rose literally makes a new man out of him.

When it happens this time, it's the opposite process of before in that it's done in self-sacrafice. Repaying the karmic debt he clocked up. So, like Tom says, all that pain being carried around heals over. The wound's left a few visible tracks, but it's not hemorrhaging any more. He's grown another personality over it, just like we would a layer of skin. Now that it's a personality back he can see again, but he sees things differently, having experienced, and passed through, all of that. This time the filter on his vision (imprinted during birth/regeneration) isn't pain but joy.

He still cradles his wee inner-Eccleston though.
 
 
Billuccho!
22:58 / 11.08.06
I miss the pinstripes, but I eagerly await the return of the Pilotfish Santas.

Favorite Doctor ever? Tennant. He's grand. Of course, it helps that I've only just discovered and fallen in love with the show. (And I think Tom Baker isn't very good, but I am in the minority with that one. I don't seem to like the old show very much at all, really.)
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
14:19 / 12.08.06
He still cradles his wee inner-Eccleston though.

As do I.

Okay, sorry, sorry, I just had to say something...
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
12:55 / 23.08.06
Sad day for Rose fans but it really makes little sense as a program. Plus... was money actually spent on this before it was cut?? Russpuppies says he lost a fortune so... um... I'm not in the TV industry or anything but isn't that a little... awkward?

BBC News reports that "Plans for a Doctor Who spin-off show starring Billie Piper were scrapped at the last minute, series producer Russell T Davies has revealed. 'It was actually commissioned by the controller of BBC One and budgeted,' the writer told Doctor Who Magazine. Davies later decided the programme, Rose Tyler: Earth Defence, was 'a spin-off too far' and called it off. Piper, 23, left Doctor Who earlier this year. She will be replaced by Freema Agyeman, 27, in the next series. 'We hadn't formally approached Billie,' said Davies, 'although we'd mentioned it to her. It was going to be fantastic. We'd have had a lovely budget and done brilliant things with it, maybe one Bank Holiday special a year.' However, the writer said he got cold feet while filming Piper's final appearance as Rose Tyler earlier this year. 'It spoils Doctor Who if we can see Rose... if we see as a concrete fact that her life continues to be as exciting without the Doctor,' he said. Davies added that the decision to abandon the programme cost him 'a fortune'."
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
13:19 / 23.08.06
I dunno that I'd want to watch a Rose Tyler spin-off as she was really getting on my nerves this past season. I like Rose, but I liked her much better playing off Eccleston than I did Tennant.
 
 
Lama glama
14:53 / 23.08.06
There's an interesting topic over on the Outpost Gallifrey forums, where a fan discusses a script that he saw script editor/writer, Helen Raynor making notes on. The episode apparently features a chrome Dalek as a prop in a play.

More news from OG's people who happen to be on location a lot. They're currently filming on a hospital location with both Agyeman and Tennant and according to onlookers Tennant is wearing his blue suit for the first time in these scenes.

More speculation from the various "insiders" on that board (I swear, that board has more insiders than Barbelith has members) state that Martha is attacked by a gang of alien motorcyclists as she enters the hospital. Before this, Martha is reportedly engaging in conversation with her sister. I'd like if this were true, as a companion with siblings would be an interesting dynamic.

Finally, those script-spies seem to have nabbed the title of the first episode: "The Ice World."

And that's everybody's spoiler heavy gossip for today.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
14:58 / 23.08.06
Thank you, Runaway Llama.

Yay blue suit!!!!
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
15:23 / 23.08.06
Wayhey! Thanks, Llama!

Ice World??

As in Ace or Ice Warriors (long rumored returning classic monsters)?

I'm all for a return of the Ice Warriors but I like Ace as well... what to do?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
15:35 / 23.08.06
Does Barbelith have any agents in Cardiff? Any that could go snooping round and see the Blue Box and the Blue Suit?
 
  

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