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Operation Coincidence Driver

 
  

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zoemancer
03:39 / 07.03.06
I got the name for this thread tangent from something Jack Pumpkin said in a conversation over here

The conversation was about proof that "magic" works. I had an idea for anyone interested to participate in a group intention launch in order to provide another member some kind of real evidence that magic is real.

This idea is actually the bastard child of a now defunct project I started a couple of years ago called the comind project (www.thecomindproject.org) The whole idea was to get a group of people together, choose an event vector and then meet online at a certain time and fire off the intent simultaneously. I think the first event vector was going to be trying to make it rain somewhere where rain was highly unlikely in the forecast.

Group consciousness projects like these have been done before by other people and there is a growing body of data that shows that our thoughts have the power to influence events, people etc non locally. The idea here is to harness the power of a bunch of people and focus on one intent at the same time for a much greater exponential effect.

I have played around with the theory that this could be a powerful tool for social change or activism. My belief is that fighting against power structures that already exist on the material plane is much too cumbersome and most often only invokes Newton's 3rd law.

My take is that it is much more effective to neutralize the power bases in the astral/etheric from which these physical power structures were born and receive their power from. After all everything begins as thought first then becomes physical so rather than rioting in the streets out front of Monsanto corp. you go into the astral and simply pull the plug then let nature take care of cleanup on the material plane.

The purpose of this thread is to get a group of Barb members and come up with an event vector, something easy and non tactical like making it rain in a certain town on a certain day when there is no rain in the forecast or somethign similar as a proof of concept.

After we can prove that it works then we might speculate on how to use this power to enact positive social change. (I know, I know this is a can of worms but we can deal with it later)

The point is to get off our collective asses and start using this stuff rather than theorizing about it. I do not claim to be an expert in this area but I am very passionate about this subject and have been wanting to try this for some time now. This time, this place and these people seems like as good a time as any.

Here is a rough outline of the project.
1. Gather participants
2. Brainstorm on coming up with the first event vector
3. Choose a date and time to launch
4. Launch
5. Analyze results
6. Rinse and repeat
 
 
zoemancer
18:21 / 07.03.06
I did a search and couldn't find any related threads. I am wondering if anyone has tried this before here on Barbelith?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:32 / 07.03.06
We have had a group working or two in the past, with... *ahem* variable results. I like the basic idea you've come up with here--sounds like a plan, provided that the goal you pick is not too ambitious (or too ambiguous).
 
 
zoemancer
19:35 / 07.03.06
Right - the event target should be very specific and realistic. I am thinking that a rain making might be a proof of concept of course I am not feeling very creative right now so I am open to suggestions.
 
 
Unconditional Love
19:46 / 07.03.06
What about a human event, or a part of culture, something that involves a real sense of humanity and social interaction.

Say for example somebody who is sick or going for a job. something where the recipiant of the event/relationship can report changes in there life.
 
 
rising and revolving
19:48 / 07.03.06
I would be happy to be involved with anything like this (see my comments on play and experimentation elsewhere). That said, I think that expecting people to come to a consensus w/ this sort of thing is tricky - feel free to define the outcome (and unusual weather is a good one) and the time, date, etc and I'll jump on board.

Is there a show of hands for people who would be interested in something like this?
 
 
zoemancer
05:05 / 08.03.06
Looks like we have 5 so far. I was thinking that maybe we should shoot for at least 10 people; I don't know why 10 it's just an arbitrary number but it sounds right for some reason.

I like the idea of making the event target some kind of blessing on another human. I also think that the unvirse bends a little easier when the motivation behind a working is based on helping others. Not sure where to go with that though?

I think we all agree that the intent needs to be pretty well defined and not something ridiculous. I will keep pondering on this and you guys see if you can think of something as well. In the meantime a few more people will join hopefully
 
 
kidninjah
09:34 / 08.03.06
Is it plans like this that make frogs fall from the sky?
;-)
 
 
Quantum
09:52 / 08.03.06
It's frogs like this that make plans fall from the sky. Here's a Relevant Thread on group Barbeworks.
 
 
Wombat
16:01 / 08.03.06
I`m in if it`s rain. Simple and with testable results. We can choose somewhere with a reservoir that needs filling. (Hopefully with accessible rainfall records that go back a while).

If it`s a social thing then put me down as a possible depending on the goal.
 
 
Sam T.
19:45 / 09.03.06
Read all the above, and the linked thread about the Peace Mango.

You know, maybe this is the wrong way to apprehend this kind of working. Here is an idea I had some time ago: Do you remember in Illuminatus!, what they say about 'Aum'?

It's a drug complex elaborated by the Erisian Liberation Front. They slip it to unaware God's Lightning members tomato juice and such. It's supposed to turn neophobes into neophiles. Here is the effect on Joe Average:

"Further investigation revealed that Oedipuski had been a construction worker and until very recently well liked on his job, behaving in a normal, down-to-earth manner, bitching about the government, cursing the lazy bums on Welfare, hating niggers, shouting obscene remarks at good-looking dolls who passed construction sites and— when the odds were safely above the 8-to-1 level— joining other middle-aged workers in attacking and beating young men with long hair, peace buttons, or other un-American stigmata. Then, about a month before, all that had changed. He began bitching about the bosses as well as the government— almost sounding like a communist at times; when somebody else cussed the crumb-bums on Welfare, Stan remarked thoughtfully, "Well, you know, our union keeps them from getting jobs, fellows, so what else can they do but go on Welfare? Steal?" He even said once, when some of the guys were good-humoredly giving the finger and making other gallant noises and signals toward a passing eighteen-year-old girl, "Hey, you know, that might really be embarrassing and scaring her . . . !" Worse yet, his own hair begun to grow surprisingly long in the back, and his wife told friends that he didn't look at TV much anymore but instead sat in a chair most evenings reading books. The police found that was indeed true, and his small library— gathered in less than a month— was remarkable indeed, featuring works on astronomy, sociology, Oriental mysticism, Darwin's Origin of the Species, detective novels by Raymond Chandler, Alice in Wonderland, and a college-level text on number theory with the section on primes heavily marked with notes in the margin; the gallant, and now pathetic, tracks of a mind that was beginning to grow after four decades of stagnation, and then had been abruptly stomped. Most mysterious of all was the card found in the dead man's pocket, which although waterlogged, could still be read. One side said : THERE IS NO ENEMY ANYWHERE (and the other side had 'Hail Eris', in code)"

'There is no enemy anywhere'. So true in a sense. Most of the problem plaguing humanity could probably be traced to a lack in education, intelligence and open mind. If we could change the mind of humanity and skew it towards more freedom of thought and curiosity... That would be much better than trying to influence outcome of outside events.

My best idea: make a self-replicating viral servitor that could infect the mind of everyone, having the kind of effect Aum has. An enlightenment-intelligence virus.

Thing is, I'm a total dick at designing servitors. What do people that are good at it think? Is it possible? Would it work? I know I've used before on a national scale a self replicating form to influence the outcome of a vote. It plugged right into people unconscious and just delivered the message (In this case: 'NO' :-) ), and then replicated a few times. Looked like it quite worked (the vote was won by a huge margin after all), but here is something much more ambitious and complex.

Maybe do some tests first with forms that are designed to self destruct after some time, before launching the real thing in the wild? We could experiment the content of the delivered program on volunteers, you know, trying to enlight-bomb each other

Frankly I'm all ear about any thought you might have on the subject. What we could put in the program, the self replicating part being quite easy.

Now what bothers me about this is that the Enochian Angels don't seems to think it is a good idea, and prefer evolution forced by external means. (Scroll down to highlighted part to read relevant quotation)

Just a thought, you know.
 
 
zoemancer
20:30 / 09.03.06
Messy

I agree with the "There is no enemy" point. Your idea seems like the most efficient and potent action we could take for the greatest effect.

Having said that I think we should still start out on a smaller scale with something event based just as a proof of concept. Maybe do a few of those to cut our chops on then move on to creating the big mamma jamma.

Still processing.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
20:33 / 09.03.06
Are you still looking for people to get involved. Because I'd love to get involved.
 
 
zoemancer
03:53 / 10.03.06
Desperate. Yes we are still looking to get more people on board.
 
 
Sam T.
06:50 / 10.03.06
No prob, Zoe, all with you. External constraint is true, tried, tested and works. My idea is just a speculation, and I'm not even sure it would be a good thing.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
07:24 / 10.03.06
Well deal me in. What do you need?
 
 
ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
14:18 / 10.03.06
I'd be there.

Hell, for an almost total n00b, what could be better?


(those who suggest learing to walk before joining an eight legged race will be thanked for their suggestions, filed in the correct spot, and then, later, when I'm recovered, sent letters and flowers and pleas for help. Maybe)
 
 
zoemancer
16:43 / 10.03.06
Ok. I move to go ahead and proceed to phase 2 of this project with just the people that we have right now.

It looks like the rainmaking event is the way to go for our first run. Now we need to somehow pick a small geographical area somewhere in the world where rain is not expected and that hopefully could actually use a little rain thereby making it a beneficial excercise for all those affected.

Lets also pick a day and time next week (anytime after tuesday works for me) and then we will to work out all the timezone stuff so that we are doing this together at the exact same time. We will simply all agree to meet together in our minds on that certain day and time and each focus their intention using whatever method you want to bring rain to the target area.

The working will last for a total of 10 minutes which should be enough time for all of us to focus our will and fire off the intention.

Any ideas suggestions?
 
 
Kylark
22:44 / 10.03.06
I'm in.

Looks like Phoenix, Arizona could use some rain....

It would be helpful for me to know if this is happening all over America. I can't see why it would be regional, but maybe it is. There have been some incredible pressures to Phoenicians in the past few years. Housing prices have skyrocketed, fueled by speculation and nothing more. With the cheap housing taken away and incomes not rising, people feel a lot more tension. Add this to the change in the credit card payments and the bankruptcy code "revision." The pollution and the traffic have gotten measurably worse in the past two years. The thick brown cloud hangs over the city like a gigantic ghost in a haunted house movie screaming "GET OUT!" And over 100,000 people are expected to move here in the next year. Crime is out of control. When I was held up at gunpoint, bound and gagged and robbed at my store I called the investigating cop two weeks later to see if there was any progress on my case. The cop confused me with two other robberies. When I asked him if there were too many robberies for them to keep things straight, the police officer said to me, "Truthfully, we don't know why crime is on the rise like this in Phoenix and we don't know what to do about it."

Plus, IT HASN'T RAINED A DROP HERE SINCE OCTOBER 18, 2005.


(from Ran Prieur's site)
 
 
Sam T.
00:39 / 11.03.06
Looks like it was enough to simply talk about it.

Rain is forecasted in Phoenix, AZ, for Saturday and Sunday. Can you believe that?
 
 
Sam T.
00:56 / 11.03.06
Now what about, let's say... Peace on Earth, Love, Unity, legalization of all drugs, and sex in the streets for next Wednesday then?

(Hu. You know... Just trying :-) )
 
 
Undone
03:24 / 11.03.06
Think I may have missed the boat here but would be glad to participate in any upcoming group initiatives....
 
 
Kylark
13:58 / 11.03.06
Looks like there's an 80% chance of rain in Phoenix today. Let's all give it an extra push around, say, 2:00 Central. (3:00 Eastern, 1:00 Mountain, noon Western).
 
 
Sam T.
15:07 / 11.03.06
That's it! According to my faithful Weather Widget, it's raining in Phoenix!

The only thing is that, scientifically, there's a hole. We can't be sure that Kylark didn't sneak a look at Weather.com before suggesting Phoenix. :-p

(Ducks under the table with tremendous speed)

(muffled voice

"Ok, let's do that again people, who's got another target idea?"

/muffled voice)
 
 
zoemancer
20:06 / 11.03.06
Hail Eris! They don't call this operation "coincidence" driver fer nuthin...

All I can say is WOW. Ok well I am going to continue to send my intetions for rain to Phoenix for the rest of today and will conduct a ritual later this evening. Since they need the rain so badly let's keep pushing it and see how much rain we can give them.
 
 
zoemancer
20:13 / 11.03.06
Also I agree with you Messy Kylark's announcement was a bit too close to call it a hit for us (no offense Kylark) but if we can focus our intent for it to continue to rain for the next few days we might could take credit for that. Plus Phoenix will be much better for it.
 
 
Kylark
20:52 / 11.03.06
I swear to ghod I didn't look at the weather report. I don't watch TV and I haven't looked at any weather pages on any newspapers either. But maybe I could have subconsciously "known" that it was going to rain. (With the RPK experiments that I've been doing, I have to wonder how much is influencing and how much is predicting. Maybe it's a bit of both.)

Uh, would it really be a good idea for Phoenix to get *a lot* of rain? I'll get on board with this if everyone else thinks it's a good idea. They needed some rain to break the spell of dry weather they've been having, but would it be weird or unproductive for them to get a deluge?
 
 
Kylark
20:59 / 11.03.06
"The storm is expected to taper off tonight, leaving tomorrow mostly clear with just a 10 percent chance of rain in the region."

Let's try to push it through to the end of tomorrow night (Sunday).
 
 
Kibblesmith
21:32 / 11.03.06
I slept through the rain.

Sorry for the lapses in attention, things have been growing progressively stranger, I think a bunch of contradictory sigils hit at once, and now I feel like "That one guy" from "That one show."

You know the one.

The good news is I took a flying leap off of a very persistent psychological/karmic loop I was in, I'm just real surprised where I landed. See, there's this girl who's had me wrapped around her finger for some inexcusable amount of time, seven years or so, and the plan was to get over her and find someone new, since it clearly wasn't happening. The universe threw me an oddly timed red herring about "the new girl," and I leapt excitedly onto the boards, but it fizzled.

Instead, the opposite has occurred, and the "old" girl, sees ME as a "new" man. So, everyone involved is more confused than pleased about a long-term crush potentially realized.

Careful with love sigils, kids. And even careful'er with brash waking action. And don't combine the two until you've thought it through.

I think I'm happy, but "think" and "happy" so seldom fit in the same sentence.
 
 
Ganesh
22:29 / 11.03.06
Ach, fuck it, I'm too late. I may be officially sceptic, or at least open-minded sceptic, but this is exactly the sort of thing that intrigues me: magic with quantifiable results. I've missed the rain thing but I'd be extremely interested in being involved in any future projects - if you don't feel my presence would pollute/taint the results.
 
 
zoemancer
00:58 / 12.03.06
Kylark - I believe you on not checking the weather report before suggesting Phoenix. If what we are doing is indeed effecting the weather in Phoenix it's creating some pretty bizarre stuff - they have had a foot of snow as well as getting the rain.

Ganesh and Jack joins us in seeing if we can push this rain in through tomorrow night. Let's also tack on to our intention that whatever weather we create will in fact be beneficial and in just the right amount. Kylark is right - we don't need a flood or a blizzard out there.

At the beginning of next week how about we pick a new target ?

P.S. - Jack I feel you man. I actually had a similar situation a while back and for what it's worth what I did was a working for myself to become more self fulfilled without the need for any girl. That seemed to work the best. and led to a period of some really amazing personal growth that really helped in the self esteem department.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
01:22 / 12.03.06
(O/T: Seeing as how language and magic are so closely bound up with one another, I would like to eel in graceful like Jeeves and point up the use of the term "girl" in this particular context. Not drawing conclusions, not criticising, just flagging up a potential area of interest.)
 
 
zoemancer
03:00 / 12.03.06
Carnival could you PM me for clarification on the "girl" thing?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
03:28 / 12.03.06
Uhhh, no. I mean, I could, if you need me to, but it would be rather pointless. See, I'm not actually criticising the use of the word "girl," because I have no issues with it per se. I just mean that if one was putting together a spell to find a love-partener or whatall, then I'd examine the terms I used in putting together my statement of intent. Girl is a different kettle of fish than boy, which in turn is a horse of a different colour than man, which is a whole different ball game than woman, which again is different from divine ubersexualpleasurecreature, ect.

I'm just sayin'.
 
 
zoemancer
03:34 / 12.03.06
Carnival -- Ahhh ok I gotcher now. Yep that is something to take into consideration. One must be very specific about those kinds of things.
 
  

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