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We're The Great Old Ones Now
10:15 / 11.11.05
It's big. It's amazing. It swallows your life.

Questions, opinions, and so on.

(Most amazing moments: climbing a mountain at night and seeing the moon and stars; getting hypnotised by fishing in a lake; building my first useful items; fighting a Pleisiosaur under water.)

And why is there no Barbelith Guild yet?

And doesn't this seems to pressage virtual environments in a rather powerful way?
 
 
Trijhaos
15:22 / 11.11.05
Thankfully World of Warcraft hasn't swalowed my life yet; I've only been playing for about a week.

I love the environments, I love the little touches like my night elven warrior's stance looking somewhat different from my human warrior. Yeah, I have two warriors. I actually have about 9 characters. I just can't choose what to play as although I've narrowed it down to a night elven druid and a human warrior.

I've looked through the manual and I can't figure it out. How do you get the little chat bubble deal above your head? The other night I was wandering by a shack in the woods when a paladin standing there asked me if I needed the quest there. I just stopped, stared at him dumbly and then ran off because I couldn't figure out how to reply.

Is it normal for paladins and priests to run by, cast some sort of spell on you and then run off? It seems every time I pass a paladin or priest, I end up with a spell that buffs my stamina or strength. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about it; it just seems, I don't know, weird.

I'm still not used to the whole mmo environment. This is the first game I've played where I could actually team up with other players.

Part of my issue with this game is I don't know how to train my character, I don't want to just dump points in skills that do ok for me at this level, but become completely useless later on down the line.

Stupid, stupid game. It won't swallow my life....it won't.
Now if you'll excuse me there's a nice little gnoll out there somewhere I have to go slaughter.
 
 
The Falcon
16:41 / 11.11.05
I used to love Starcraft.

Did you see a Chinese girl died playing it, and they had a virtual funeral? Crazy.
 
 
Lurid Archive
17:36 / 11.11.05
I haven't tried it, and maybe I'm missing something but...the game costs about 50USD, and then about 15USD per month subscription, so that in a year you would have paid about 200USD, taking into account the fact that buying lots of time is cheaper, and so maybe more if you only pay month by month.

Can the game really be worth that much? It seems an awful lot to spend on a single product.

I'm playing Guild Wars, myself.
 
 
w1rebaby
18:45 / 11.11.05
I'm still in Second Life, myself.

One thing I've found over the years with MMORPGs is that I've quickly gotten frustrated with the actual game aspects, hankered after the social aspects but been unable to participate in those because I wasn't high enough level. You had to spend a lot of time and money levelling in a boring way.

Second Life is a 3D MUSH with building and scripting aspects and so bypasses the levelling thing. Anyone can build things, though to build things on a grand scale requires large quantities of real-world cash. Anyone can participate in any group; there are no restraints on the details of what you can do, just restraints on the scale. (You can't own your own island without shelling out something like $1,500 plus monthly fees, for instance, but the most basic paid subscription allows you to build and own 512 sq m of land to build on, and just joining to interact with people and dress your avatar up is free.)

What I do find irritating about it is

(a) the general obsession with sales and Goth clothes - you can earn virtual currency by selling outfits and accessories which you've built, and so much of the terrain is just a big mall now

(b) the virtual sex. Okay, I've got nothing against cybering, but it's there all the time. The clothes shops are 90% "sexy" fetish-lite clothes, animations to make your avatars shag each other, skins with proper nipples on them... there also appears to be a massive Gorean contingent, with BDSM master-slavegirl stuff everywhere you see, and people really getting into the whole lifestyle. Again, nothing against that, but I'm getting a bit sick of trying to find a decent hat and always feeling like I'm intruding into someone else's fetish.

On the other hand there are some completely fantastic places that people have created, where you can just enjoy wandering around and looking at the landscapes and artifacts that they've created, and the open scripting element means that people can build all sorts of environments - all flavours of FPS is catered for, as are other games and challenges (I accidentally ended up participating in a virtual sailing race for instance, losing quite badly because the boats were realistically designed and I know bog all about sailing). I shelled out for a year's membership with the vague idea of designing Victorian steampunk gadgets, and I'm not regretting it yet. I've already got involved with the Second Life Socialist Party.
 
 
iamus
02:00 / 12.11.05
MMORPGs

*sigh*

Sometimes I wish there were about eight mes and all of us were rich.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
11:27 / 12.11.05
Trijhaos -

(and by the way I've just realised I know nothing about your screen name's origins and that I've always meant to ask)

I love the environments, I love the little touches like my night elven warrior's stance looking somewhat different from my human warrior.

I'm not sure, but I think your elf can also do a completely gratuitous sommersault in the air when you jump forward, which no other race can. Just to make everyone jealous.

I've looked through the manual and I can't figure it out. How do you get the little chat bubble deal above your head

Typing /s will give you a text box to write in (hit enter to utter what you've typed) and it appears over your head. /help gives a list of the commands which can be accessed like this, but it's a bit gnomic, you'll have to experiment. Briefly, though: /p will send a message to everyone in your party and no one else; /g will send a message to everyone in your guild; if you click on someone, a little portrait of them appears next to your in the top left corner of your screen - right click (or apple click) on it and a menu appears including 'whisper', which allows you to talk to just that person. Clicking on a name in square brackets in the chat panel at the bottom left of the screen willl also bring up a 'whisper' box, and the speech bubble at the top of the colummn if yellow icons on the left of that chat panel gives access to all sorts of things like emotes (/train makes a really annoying noise.) HINT: don't talk during combat unless it's well in hand - you can issue keyboard commands while you're typing in the chat box. If you get attacked while talking, hit enter, leave the conversation half done, and live to finish it.

Last useful command - auto-run: number lock on your keypad sets you running forward so you don't have to hold the w key down. If you're on a keyboard without it, you can remap from the main options screen.

Is it normal for paladins and priests to run by, cast some sort of spell on you and then run off?

If not normal, it's certainly not abnormal. Mages and warlocks sometimes do it too - and no doubt shamans, druids, and anyone else who can. Warriors have a habit of helping passers by out in tricky fights. If they're around your level, click on them as they zoom by, and whisper to them to check if they want to hang around and join you.

Part of my issue with this game is I don't know how to train my character, I don't want to just dump points in skills that do ok for me at this level, but become completely useless later on down the line.

My main (until yesterday, my only) character is now lvl 18, and I haven't encountered a choice I made yet which was a mistake (apart, possibly, from selecting a gnome-warrior combination; I just can't take the damage monsters deal out toe-to-toe - but maybe that will change); it seems to me that you don't make pivotal choices until you're high level. Don't neglect your professions - as you rise, they become central, and they're a good source of income. I'm starting to think my gnome is primarily an engineer/marksman, and secondly a hand-to-hand guy - great once you figure it out. All I need now is a few more target dummies and a bigger gun, and I'm totally rock and roll...
 
 
Bear
13:00 / 18.11.05
I'm another addict. I've been playing for about a month now and so far I'm enjoying it quite a bit, sometimes more than others. This past week for example I've been playing during the day as I'm off work for a week but this means that there's no one around and for some of the quests you really need a good group or at one other person.

I love the social aspect of it, this is the first time I've played any game online and I was shocked how helpful people were and how little arguing and a/s/l location was going on.

The game is massive though and I'm not sure how long my interest will stay with it, lots of people say that the game doesn't really begin until you get to level 60 and I'm a long way from that.

Lots of fun moments though, like sneaking into Horde territory and completing a quest or unexpected run ins with high level Horde and running and hiding....

I'm all about the character look though - I want a kilt!

Not to keen on the Astranaar quests though, so much running back and forth but I'm finished there now so hopefully things will improve in another area.

The instances are also great fun, I've done Blackfathom, Dead Mines, The Stockades and also the Gnome one. I was just talking to a friend and she was doing the Monastery one that takes apparently 5 hours to complete and I'm not sure if I have that dedication.

I'm a level 27 (nearly 28!) Nightelf Druid by the way on Vashj (EU servers) on the off chance that any other Barbeloids are on there.
 
 
akira
22:16 / 18.11.05
I have a lvl 60 NightElf Rogue called Kiniky on the Thunderhorn server. Havent played in a while though, not since they updated the battlegrounds.
 
 
Grey Cell
18:22 / 20.11.05
Lurid -- there are free third-party servers out there where you can play without paying, though some of them are buggy — and while I'm not sure whether they're technically illegal or not, Blizzard doesn't like them very much of course.

I recently installed a copy on my computer and have been meaning to give it a try, out of sheer curiosity (newbies get a first fix of a couple hours for free, right?). But that was over a month ago and I still haven't gotten round to actually doing it.

I must admit, all the stories of how time-intensive it is haven't been very encouraging. I play gfames to relax and I mostly just want to travel around and go sightseeing, stuff like that. But I guess a first-level tourist wouldn't get very far without being picked off by some baddies.

(A Barbelith Guild would be cool, but still not worth paying 15 dollars a month just to play.)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
06:34 / 20.12.05
OK, so I just got broadband and tomorrow's payday. I want to check out this MMO shit, and it's either WoW or City of Villains. Whaddyareckon?
 
 
Bear
08:13 / 20.12.05
I'd go for this one Stoatie - I got back into it yesterday while 'working from home' and there's some stunning stuff in it.

It's the first online game I've played and I think it's a great starting point.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:15 / 20.12.05
Yeah, I might just do that- I've not played any before either, so if you reckon it's a good way of getting a foot in the water that's probably my major consideration.
 
 
invisible_al
08:30 / 20.12.05
I'd say hang out on the non pvp servers at first, the PVP servers are pretty harsh on new players I hear.
 
 
Bear
09:32 / 20.12.05
They aren't that bad to be honest, I went PvP (player v's player) because it's much more fun. When you first start your in your own little area (depends on what race you go) and there's no real chance of getting killed by the apposing forces unless you go on a major hiking trip. Even if you do run into the 'baddies' they might kill you a couple of times but most of the higher levels wont bother because they get no honour from it.

Also when you first start there aren't really any PvP areas that close and when you do see some of the other side they can't attack unless you attack them first.

Yeah I'd go for it for sure, I got really into it at the start and sort of had a break from it but I've been getting back into it lately, managed to get my travel form the other day (level 30!) which makes running around much quicker, plus I just joined a new UK based guild with some friendly folks that seem willing to help out when you need it.

If you do join go Vashj! Although I've got a feeling you'd be more of a Horde type person Stoat!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:32 / 20.12.05
Let's face it, it's gonna be Night Elf or Horde, isn't it?
 
 
iconoplast
14:07 / 21.12.05
Well, someone has to chime in on the Horde side. I've got a Troll Hunter with a gnarly cat for a pet. On the Durotan server. The big difference I've found is that Night Elves can do flips and Trolls do this cool capoeira thing when you type /dance. Oh - and Alliance get to be Paladins, while the Horde get to be Shamans.

The Alliance is a lot more popular, I hear. Which means the Horde have less waiting time for battlegrounds (see below) and for respawning monsters.

Here's the other thing - if you play on a PVE (Player vs Enemy(?)) server, you can PVP anyone who is 'flagged' - you get flagged by attacking another flagged player, or any of the opposing faction's flagged NPCs, of which there seem to be lots.

Or you go to a Battleground. WoW spawns miniservers when you enter a dungeon or battleground with your party. For dungeons it's cool because it means nobody ran by five minutes ago and killed the big monster you're in there questing after.

The only battleground I've played in is Warsong Gulch, which is a 10 on 10 game of Capture the flag. It is so much fun and so addicting... point being, there's easily found PVP on all servers.
 
 
iconoplast
14:08 / 21.12.05
... oh, and - yes. This game is, indeed, eating my brain and feasting on my wasted hours.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
04:35 / 22.12.05
When they say you have to use "electronic payment methods", does that include credit cards?
 
 
Bear
08:16 / 22.12.05
Yeah Credit/Debit and all that sort of thing, but you can buy top ups in stores like Game if you don't have a card. Plus you get your first month for free. Although maybe you need a card to register for online....I'm not really helping.

Did you get it then?

I haven't really played this week but I want to because I'm very close to level 32 which means new magic! Well not really new magic just slightly better versions of the spells I already have. Actually that's something I was a little disappointed with, the only other game I've played that's remotely like WOW is Neverwinter nights and there was much more choices of magic in that.

Plus I need 1 more gold so I can re-do my talents. I had most of them in healing because I enjoy being a healer while working for groups but I keep getting my arsed kicked by lower level stinkin Horde while on my own, so I'm going feral so my bear and cat form kick arse!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:29 / 22.12.05
Was gonna buy it yesterday, then figured I should really check out all the boring practical details first... I'm tempted to buy it today...
 
 
Bear
08:33 / 22.12.05
Makes perfect sense, I'm sure the European version of the site will have details on what you need to register but I can't look because they've banned it in this office.

Get it! Get it!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:31 / 22.12.05
I think I should do my Christmas shopping first, really- otherwise it'll NEVER happen (and I need to know I can afford both WoW and food... well, maybe just WoW!)
 
 
Bear
09:35 / 22.12.05
But it's Christmas in the game you can run around looking at the decorations and mistletoe plus they sell found in the game - MEAT and also ALE.

Probably best to wait until after Christmas really though, you get a free month but there's no point registering during the holidays because there's things like Eastenders to watch.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:39 / 23.12.05
Okay, so THAT cut a big five-hour chunk into my shopping time!

Not as intimidating as I thought (I wussed out and went for non-PvP like the big jessie I am)- met some people who've helped me with quests and showed me how to do stuff.

I may never leave the house again.

You bastards.
 
 
Bear
10:55 / 23.12.05
PvP Rocks! etc...

Yeah it's pretty ace, or maybe not. Sometimes I think it's a bit crap and the quests are tedious and then I realise I've been playing for hours.

What did you choice then? Night-elf Hunter?

Wait until you get to some of the huge areas like Ironforge or do an Instance for the first time with a large group...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:13 / 23.12.05
Yeah, Night Elf Hunter. So far I'm on level 6- I've mostly been wandering around and admiring the scenery. And getting taught how to do stuff. Way more fun than reading the manual- it's like a tutorial level with actual people doing it.
 
 
iconoplast
14:23 / 23.12.05
What server are you all on?
 
 
iconoplast
14:25 / 23.12.05
Also: someone said something to the effect of, "If you want to save money, get to Sgt (Horde Rank 3) before 40 and get yourself a cheap mount".

How does this work? Not the getting to Sgt - I'm almost there, thanks to Warsong Gulch - but the cheap mount? In fact, how does the whole 'get a mount' thing work?
 
 
Bear
18:49 / 23.12.05
I'm on Vashj (Europe)

As for the cheap mount I'm not sure what they mean to be honest, Level 40 and 30 gold isn't it? Although I was talking to my mate in the pub tonight about the game (I know I know) and she says you can make lots of money (Alliance at least) if you get to the Horde auctions and sell your mount as they can't get cats.

I'm happy enough with my travel form at the moment I imagine it'll take me a long time to move up the next 8 levels.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:55 / 23.12.05
So can you have multiple characters on the one account, or do you have to pay more? I'd like to meet up with 'lithers, but Stoatie the Night Elf's quite happy where he is.
 
 
akira
11:15 / 24.12.05
I have an alt character that stays in ironforge, send all my green or better loot to it and use that char to sell it all on the auction house. That way I dont waste loads of time when when I'm half the world away doing quests. Its also good for storing things in the bank when you dont want to pay for another slot on your main char. If you needhelp with quests/info on items check out thottbot.com great search funtion.
 
 
akira
11:28 / 24.12.05
I think you can have as many characters as you want on as many servers as you want.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:21 / 24.12.05
It occurs to me that that was actually a pointless question (but thanks for answering it anyway!) because just having one character is taking up too many hours of my time as it is!

This really is a fun game.
 
 
Bear
12:38 / 28.12.05
Yeah you can have as many as you like the only rule being that you can't have an Alliance and Horde character on the same server.

I spent a lot of time during the last few days playing and even did the Deadmines with some strange people but the Druid staff didn't even drop.

It takes so long to level up these days, although I'm nearing 33 and I'm finding things a little more fun now that I've put my talent points into feral.

Anyone been to SM? I think that'll have to be my next trip if I can ever find it.
 
  

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