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All-Star Superman

 
  

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The Natural Way
14:57 / 18.11.05
As bright and vivid as bats is glossy black. "Technicolour butter" indeed. Superscience, Quintum-Wonka...everything. Moore's Supes-Supreme was good, but this is all that AND thoroughly modern and utopian. Brilliant. Fucking brilliant. WeddingBLAST!
 
 
Axolotl
15:04 / 18.11.05
I enjoyed it, but I definitely think the artwork was stronger than the writing. In fact the story was so art-driven it could have almost worked without any dialogue. I'm not saying this is good or bad, in fact I'm not sure myself.
Hmmmn. Nothing of that much import to say really. I liked the art, thought the plot was perhaps a little light. I'm looking forward to future issues, but it's hardly the super-compressed masterwork we were promised. But that may be my fannish enthusiam for this dashing up against the cold hard reality.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:30 / 18.11.05
Annotations? I'd personally say start a separate thread. I know I'm kind of in the minority on this on Barbelith, but annotations bore the shit out of me, and I avoid them much as I do spoilers. I'd say keep this thread for discussion. But that's just me...
 
 
sleazenation
15:38 / 18.11.05
I'm not much of a superman fan, but enjoy Morrison and Quitely's beautiful comics. But yes, it was quite pricey for the amount of pages it was giving out and felt quite slight - it read like the teaser trailer for an episode of a TV sci fi series, like a part of a wider whole that didn't really stand on its own feet. Might well be another one to wait for the collection on...
 
 
The Falcon
15:51 / 18.11.05
Why not do the anno's on the WIKI, Mario?
 
 
Tom Coates
16:08 / 18.11.05
Yeah I agree - the wiki seems like the natural place for annotations at the moment, at least.
 
 
Mario
16:18 / 18.11.05
Primarily because posting here requires less formatting
 
 
The Falcon
17:32 / 18.11.05
Well, I can help tidy it up and stuff. grant's normally pretty good for doing that too, though I won't speak for him.

Go on, son.
 
 
Mario
17:46 / 18.11.05
Fair enough. I'll probably post it tomorrow or Sunday
 
 
Professor Silly
17:58 / 18.11.05
I can't believe it...

...he actually made Clark Kent more interesting than Superman.

Not since NXM 114 have I been this inclined to re-read a comic once a day.

...and thank you for pointing out the transport in the epilogue--I too thought it was a marquee.

New Favorite Word: Meganthrope
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
18:09 / 18.11.05
Even though I'm a big fan of Silver and Bronze Age Superman, I'm very turned off by the All Star line and Grant's 7S.

That said, you guys are tempting me with your positive reviews.
 
 
Aertho
18:33 / 18.11.05
Oh Jesus. Why?

Why are you turned off by this round of Superman lore? If you've not picked it up, and only read releases about it, what is it turns you off? I'm not saying I think ASS is the greatest thing in the world, but it's fun and different. I'm seriously interested in your thoughts on these works, in that 1. you seem delusional, and 2. it's a difference in opinion worth talking about.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
18:56 / 18.11.05
... delusional?

You seem hyper and quick to judge!

I said I'm turned off by the All Star Line, Captain Reading Comprehension.

The idea of creating a whole other line of comics for characters already in print more than any other characters is very silly and worrying and also a large part of the 'problem with comics' spouted about all over the place. It keeps new ideas from ever having the chance of being born!

All Star Batman and Robin was very very poor and deperessing for me, making it hard to put the knife down and refrain from a ritual suicide just to prove them wrong. I understand some people liked it. It sold incredibly well on top of several other books that featured Batman or Superman or both.

That said... and take the time to soak it in since you seem so concerned about my reasoning and mental health... ready? I enjoy Grant, enjoy Supermanwhen done in a specific way (such as Silver/Bronze Age wackiness and DC One Million) and ofcourse deeply enjoy Frank's art.

Even so I've been sucked in by names before and not happy at all with the result. But after reading some of the reviews here I just might buy a copy.

If that's not enough we'll have to meet up and have cocoa alternated with whiskey shots until we 'understand each other better.'
 
 
Aertho
19:21 / 18.11.05
I'm not concerned for your physical health so much as the forum's. The thread's already gushing in favor of ASS. You come along and suggest something else. Cool! Now back it up. As much as we use this site to "check in" with a thumbs up or thumbs down, I'd like some debate —on Grant's work especially.

Delusional in that you seem to miss the point completely on 7S. Link provided above.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
19:30 / 18.11.05
I dunno, whatever.

It's just a comic, calm down.

I offered my reasons and you see them as delusional. The world needs less Superman, not more. If this is the best Superman book (surely not a difficult thing to do), kill off the other rather than having them take place in its own lil sandbox. This is all based on the concept of the All Star Line, like I said.

I'm thinking of not getting it now and just giving it a thumbs up simply to push you over the edge.

The whiskey offer still stands.
 
 
Aertho
19:30 / 18.11.05
The argument on the validity or necessity of the All Star line is a good argument as well. Personally, I think 12 good Superman stories are better than maintaining the status quo by keeping a Hawkman or Nightwing book in print. They may sell well, but what's the point? Just money? What about the point of the story you're selling?

Out of continuity lines bring up the role of Hypertime, Elseworlds, and the shackles of Universe Continuity that holds a lot of good writers back. Continuity can provide a challenge, but often, it can be burdensome.

I'm sure sleaze or Solitaire can attack this argument with more facts and debate, but I'm firmly of the mind that continuity shouldn't be so damn important.
 
 
Aertho
19:34 / 18.11.05
The world needs less Superman, not more. If this is the best Superman book (surely not a difficult thing to do), kill off the other rather than having them take place in its own lil sandbox.

True. It's the only Superman book I'm getting right now. I could do without Adventures, Action, Et Cetera, and the others.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:36 / 18.11.05
Mister Six, you're completely right about one thing. This forum needs more whiskey.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
19:43 / 18.11.05
But... you're supporting the monster. Just throwing that out there. I love fun comics and super hero comics but I recall a faint rumble for NEW comics on these boards not long ago.

And I'll even further sour the pot by saying this series will not last.

It'll lose Quitely as artist, Grant will lose interest or try some big-headed idea that will dash on the rocks and piss people off. It will then come out in trade format which will also sell while supporting a system where not only original comics are viewed as too high-risk, but now guaranteed sellers with a big Ss and bats need star power too (including hawks and lightning bolts backed by Waids and Walt Simonsons).

Alternately Quitely will maintain a never before maintained stint on a monthly series, Grant will give his undivided attention to this series and tell Superman stories we've always wanted to read and succeed so well that his version sticks and after Infinite Crisis it becomes the flagship title.

Pick your delusion.

Are you drinking your damn shot!?

... I think I love you.
 
 
The Falcon
22:27 / 18.11.05
No-one thinks this'll be monthly dude. The other one isn't either. Come on.

(Neither's AXM when it comes back, not that I give a shit. Fool me once Marvel, shame on you. Fool me, uhm, twelve times, shame on me.)

As for debate, I'm kind've with Qalyn/Blimey! inasmuch as it's self-evidently Frank's show here. It's gorgeous; really looks like those Humanoids albums (Janjetov,) with the finicky details - check out the moonbase, Lex's cell, etc. Thing that's getting me (mildly) out of shape is there used to be more snappy dialogue, and GM's been minimising since he started his whole Crack!Comics trio. I mean obviously he's written these great scenes and stuff, but it seems there used to be a bit more (verbal, anyway) substance to his books?

I know it's comics and all, but I'd like two or three science/magic topics dovetailed into some conceptual chat once in a while. Blame it on me being a one-time Vertigo kid, and all about the 'literate comics' if you will.
 
 
The Falcon
22:38 / 18.11.05
All that being said, apparently they just found the fear gene, so that's pretty groovy.
 
 
Mario
22:45 / 18.11.05
The way I see it, we don't need FEWER Superman stories. We don't need MORE Superman stories. We need BETTER Superman stories.

A*S provides that.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
23:07 / 18.11.05
Um, Frank Quitely is drawing every issue. It's not a regular monthly series, but rather a special twelve issue maxiseries intended to be a showcase for Quitely and Morrison. However long it takes to get to twelve issues, it doesn't really matter.
 
 
Ganesh
00:14 / 19.11.05
Like (almost) everyone else in this thread, I am spunking merrily over Morrison's ASS.

More later.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
00:15 / 19.11.05
Mister Six, if you (are so delusional that you*) don't like Seven Soldiers, you're probably not going to like All Star Superman. I've been thinking about this all day. Did I read somewhere that Grant felt comics had become too much about the star writers and not enough about the art? I've felt that Seven Soldiers is meant to be a gnarly little yarn that gives really awesome artists really awesome stuff to draw. It may be that this is mostly the purpose of All Star Superman as well.


*kidding. Bad taste in comics is not a delusion! I'm pretty sure you're right about the All Star line as well.

(Happy Alan Moore's Birthday, everyone!)
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
00:18 / 19.11.05
Also, I'm criticizing All Star Superman's lack of depth, but really, how much material is there for Grant, or anyone, to work with? Every single one of these "core characters" is a goddam snooze factory. It's like a lumber mill with all the logsawing going on in there.

In summation, if you like Quitely's art, buy this book.
 
 
matthew.
03:58 / 19.11.05
So after reading this entire debate, I can come up with one thing: the art's spunk-tacular. Man, even if it's Superman, I'll be buying it just because of the second issue's cover: I want to see some super-masturbating.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
06:36 / 19.11.05
Went to the shop and bought a copy, feeling like a small, excited child. About Superman. Which is the point, I'd assume. I managed to read the thing at least three times in a row, and the feeling didn't dissipate: the art is gorgeous; simultaneously hallucinogenic and lucid. The line work is more or less perfect (especially the parts where Quitely's razor-sharp lines fade into cross-hatching (like in the first page with Jor-El and Lara), or the wonderful subtle shading on Superman's face in the "not if I can help it" splash. The Silver Age vibe (or what I know of it from superman.ws's archive material) is very evident: the meganthropes and nanonauts are wonderful little (or not so little, ha-ha!) touches, and I really really love the way Superman's anatomy hearks back to the more beefy, less muscular version of the earlier artists. Apart from the fantastic portrayal of Luthor as a proper mad scientist (really, really loved "Kryptonite robots and elaborate super-death-traps"), it did feel a bit slight as a writing exercise, and really does seem to act as a launch point for the whole series: the impending Death of Superman being the motivation (and framing narrative) for the Twelve Labours of the aforementioned. The dialogue (apart from Luthor's) reminded me a little of that in the Max Fleischer cartoons, in that lines like "Clark Kent is fired in ten seconds!" and "Stop talking for a moment, I've got something to show you" seem to want to be delivered in a tone more suitable to an announcer than a naturalistic (hah!) character. Which is odd, because I remember the fairly innovative psychological insights into the character of Superman mentioned in the first GM interview being what prompted me to pick up the book. This does seem very much like a teaser trailer, however, being composed of three (or possibly four) plot strands all left without a resolution. However, despite these criticisms, ASS#1 really left me wanting more without feeling cheated. Not only do I not have much of an idea how the story will progress, I'm also very excited by this in a way I'm not used to with enormous licensed characters such as Superman. I really do wish they'd kept the new "S" logo, however, as it was much prettier, better fitted Quitely's style, and wouldn't have looked ridiculous with the huge chest shield that appears in the book. Actual criticism later, when I've had some sleep. Yes.
 
 
Spaniel
08:07 / 19.11.05
Duncan, pretty much sums it up for me, although rather than conceptual ideas dovetailing into the dialogue, I'd actually like to see a bit more regular chat. I find Grant's distilled dialogue difficult to engage with, or at least difficult to engage with fully, I also dislike the way he crowbars exposition into his speech bubbles. It's such an obvious device, and it drags me out of the fantasy every time.

All that said, I really enjoyed this comic, especially when we got to see Morrison's take on Clark Kent and Lois Lane. As usual Grant has managed to nail the core appeal of the characters. It was like watching Christopher Reeve on the page. Wonderful.
As for Quitely's art, it's all been said. Just brilliant, worth the price of admission by itself. Although, I think we would do well to remember that Grant gives Frank the best playgrounds to scribble in.
 
 
Krug
08:23 / 19.11.05
Jamie go buy it or give me your address and I'll send you my copy.

I cant wait for 7S to be over with so he can write something else but I am in complete agreement with all the ASSLove in this thread. I haven't been this excited about a superhero run since the first issue of Grant's X-men. It really is as good as everyone in this thread says it is.

I can't imagine you disliking it. If I had the courage I wouldn't buy another issue because the waiting is really going to hurt for this one.

I'm not sure I agree with your hate for other comics that co-exist with this one. It doesnt bother me if they print thirty five all star superman comics a month written by Geoff Johns or continue this all star line or not. I'm paying for Grant Morrison's revitalised Superman and I'm very pleased with my purchase. I'm no silver age lover either.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:12 / 19.11.05
>> Went to the shop and bought a copy, feeling like a small, excited child. About Superman. Which is the point, I'd assume

YES!
 
 
louisemichel
14:01 / 19.11.05
Got it. Read it.
well, thought it was ok. Of course, gorgeous art, of course, lot and lot of ideas.
Then reread it, because I felt it was cool.
Then again, because, why not.
Then again, because of the sheer pleasure...
And saw all the little bits of story that are not in the actual comics, that Morrison (see, I didn't say Grant) puts in the gutter, for us to chew upon after the actual reading.

Ok. Pure Genius.
Thanks !
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
15:05 / 19.11.05
ASS LOVE?

Krug... I'm there.

I'm getting ready to purge my apartment the way buddhists purge their souls or the japanese families purge their asses in those pornos I see at cons. 75% of my collection must go. I get this way, binging extravagently from the frothy mug of comics only to grimace after too much and chuck in the toilet of cultural excess. Only Golden/Silver/Bronze age comics will remain. Everything else must go.

But... yeah. I'll prolly get a copy.

If only for the ass love.

(Oh and Krug, I'm not 100% sure what you mean by my hate for other comics... or I'm not sure what I meant... I can't remember)
 
 
Mug Chum
17:50 / 19.11.05
I don't know who else mentioned, but I also missed the superstoned supercool & superrelaxed Superman that Morrison mentioned in that interview. Never liked Supes, but Morrison sold his fish to me darn well characterizing the Supes-Clark like that (also was expecting for more of Lois & Clark dynamic in the classical Supes I film like Morrison himself mentioned).

But damn, I got to feel like the kid I never was! Kudos, mr. Morrison...
 
 
Triplets
17:53 / 19.11.05
Quit living in the past, Six.
 
  

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