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Jake, Colossus of Clout
00:32 / 02.09.05
What a well-constructed post, grammatically and (I assume, if I read your ramblings correctly) ideologically. Thank you for adding to the discussion.
 
 
odd jest on horn
00:40 / 02.09.05
from bbc: Link

Polar bears are swimming for their lives in New Orleans in the wake of Katrina.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
01:30 / 02.09.05
Okay, so it's pretty horribly voyueristic, not to mention a little boring sometimes, but there are live streams of the radio chatter coming out of New Orleans on the web. Space is limited, but you can click here to listen.
 
 
True Art
01:31 / 02.09.05
Hey. Haven't posted here in a loooooong time.

I'm from New Orleans, but living in NY. Many friends, family friends and my step-sister are missing. I can't describe my personal horror and sadness. New Orleans is such a magical, beautiful place - treated like a cheap hooker by the rest of the country. They think of it as a place to get drunk and puke. These assholes have no idea how poor and desperate it is. I never even heard of a lease or health insurance till I moved away. It's wonderful, but dark and archaic.

America has forgotten how important New Orleans is to its history. Long before New York, we were cultured, sophisticated and rich. We had the first North American ballet and opera. Our port built most of the country. New Orleans also had the largest population of free, wealthy blacks as well as the first public school system for blacks, long before the Civil War. Our diverse culture made us powerful and beautiful. The city’s degradation began with the Civil War, as the north crushed all economic opposition. New Orleans never recovered, and New York became the economic capital. But New Orleans still thrived in a sense, becoming Americas MOST interesting, creative and vibrant city. There would be no American music without it. Period. No Jazz, no Blues, no Funk… no Rock & Roll. No Hip-Hop. To this day it’s creative intensity is still almost a secret.

My childhood home is underwater. My beautiful ancient oaks uprooted. I wonder about the faces that pop into my head every few seconds. How are they? Where are they!? My body is tense and sore. I can’t even look straight without crying. I'm walking and working in New York... isolated by my grief, no one else around me can feel it. I wonder if they care at all about THE SOUTH. Do they think we're just a bunch of ignorant rednecks and wild niggers who say "y'all.” It's as though New Orleans were in a faraway distant land. I guess in a way it is.

The Speaker of the House is saying, "Why should we spend tax dollars on them, they KNEW it could happen?" In New York they seem more concerned with oil prices! My city is 80% underwater; at least 30,000 people are not being evacuated. A MILLION PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS. People have no water or food, and people looking for food are called greedy opportunists, LOOTERS! These are poor people and old people who COULDN'T get out; there were no buses sent for them! The number of people who didn’t evacuate perfectly mirrors the number of people that are without cars. But they are called STUPID for not leaving, or stupid for living there at all! Poor black people acting desperately in a HORRIBLE situation are being vilified, which in turn is being used by conservatives to divert sympathy and probably relief money. Countless are missing and dead. Bodies are seen floating in the streets. This tragedy is in serious danger of not being fully appreciated by the rest of the country. Our National Guard is in Iraq, rather than here saving us as they are meant for.

Please pray for New Orleans and donate to the Red Cross. Keep speaking out.

love,
ralph
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
01:45 / 02.09.05
You have all my sympathies and support. I hope that your friends and family are okay, and that you hear from them soon.

I know it's no consolation, but a lot of Northerners feel for the people, not their wallets. The greedy assholes are just louder and more noticable. I haven't talked to anyone but my girlfriend about this offline, but I hear a lot. Most people around here are quiet, like they don't have anything to say that could do this justice. It still feels too big. Every time I hear someone spouting off about how we need to start drilling for more oil, well, it's like asshole radar.
 
 
Francine I
01:54 / 02.09.05
What the fuck, indeed. I don't have too much to add, but here's my bit: residing in the U.S. as I do, I have to say that my already faltering confidence in stateside media is taking another significant blow. Predictably, they're minimizing the heart-wrenching devastation and focusing on shock-pieces, and I understand why they do this. Still, is there not an educated guess regarding casualties? Is there a reasonable estimation regarding the lack of sufficient search and rescue/disaster recovery capacity in compare to the actual situation (how much more is needed and when will it get there?) I feel like a lot of this is being ignored as inconvenient subject matter to an extent that I find deeply disturbing. Another poster noted most astutely that a large segment of the U.S. media has been insinuating that the people stranded and in danger decided not to leave, and even going so far as to say this should be a lesson for those who do not listen to the advisories. That's fucked. According to the 2000 census:

"The median income for a household in the city is $27,133, and the median income for a family is $32,338. Males have a median income of $30,862 versus $23,768 for females. The per capita income for the city is $17,258. 27.9% of the population and 23.7% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 40.3% of those under the age of 18 and 19.3% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line."

That means 128,340 people likely had no personal transportation with which to heed the warning. I suspect exodus en masse on foot is not a pragmatic way to escape a hurricane. To be fair, I'm sure some of the numbers that remained thought they'd just "be tough", but even those folks don't need a "lesson" on the subject of heeding advisories. For fuck's sake.

Talk is that New Orleans must essentially be abandoned. I guess that remains to be seen. The event is already having a considerable impact on the entire U.S. Near the impact, people are paying upwards of $5 and in some places upwards of $6 for a gallon of gasoline. In most of the U.S., Gasoline and diesel run between $3 and $3.60 - up from $2.60 to $2.90 - as another poster noted. Most goods in the U.S. are delivered by the trucking infrastructure. Today, it costs about $800 to fill up a semi and under most loads this will allow you about 800 miles. If gasoline and diesel were to see a hike above, say, $5, average consumer goods (milk, eggs, et al) could see a 175% increase in cost to the consumer. That's a killing blow to communities below the poverty line. I think the long term consequences will pan out to be as bad or worse than the immediate ones. As Jack Fear said earlier, the reaction of some of those left in the city is exposing a very real dichotomy in the U.S. I think the ripples from this event will show the ice the U.S. stands on to be very, very thin. In my estimation, the long term consequences, political fallout, and even hard numbers on the casualties in New Orleans, won't be forthcoming until December at the earliest.
 
 
Francine I
01:59 / 02.09.05
"..and donate to the Red Cross."

Count on it. My sympathies.
 
 
Mazarine
02:21 / 02.09.05
Hearsay, but one of my friends was watching CNN, and perpetual Bush ass-kissers Joe Scarborrough and Tucker Carlson just denounced him on the air for his utter and complete failure to help anyone in any way. I'm looking around to see if I can find the actual quote.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
02:27 / 02.09.05
I've been trying to donate and most servers seem jammed -must be the only time in my life I've been happy to see error messages.
Instapundit has a long list of charities with relief funds.
 
 
ibis the being
03:01 / 02.09.05
Shouldn't, like, FEMA or somebody be in there?

FEMA is there.

There are so many rumors surrounding this disaster right now, and it's hard to even attempt to verify anything, so I don't want to write this in stone - but NPR reporters today were talking about how there were plans in the works to reinforce the levees in New Orleans, but all the funds for it were diverted to the Iraq war.

As far as the looters go, I can't approve of armed mobs terrifying people down there, but on the other hand these people are starving and panicking. It's hard to say what any of us would do if we hadn't had any food or water in four days and were walking through human feces and corpses. From what I've heard a lot of these "looters" were distributing food and water among their fellow refugees. Reports (again NPR) today were of crowds of refugees trying to get into the Superdome and being told by FEMA to go to the Natl Convention Center - where conditions were beyond squalid, with no supplies and with dead bodies sitting out covered in flies. It's almost incomprehensible that this is happening in this country. I know the area is leveled, but for God's sake why can't they get any food to these people?
 
 
True Art
03:10 / 02.09.05
Buy New Orleans Musicians Music! They need the money! (copy and paste links)

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Cherielabombe
06:53 / 02.09.05
I am so fucking pissed off about this I can hardly stand it. This is an EMERGENCY and there are people on the ground in New Orleans who should have been receiving help on Tuesday.

Where the FUCK is national guard?!? Where is FEMA!?! The biggest tragedy of this is the people who will die because help came to them at a snail's pace. And WHY have these people had to wait so long for help? In a major way because their national guard is off fighting a ridiculous, pointless war! I want Bush to wipe that smirk off his face and realize this isn't a PR exercise - this is serious and he needs to get off his ass and start helping these people.
 
 
Cherielabombe
06:55 / 02.09.05
By the way sorry that was mostly just ranting but I can barely describe my sorrow for those people still stuck there and my fury that the government doesn't seem doing anything (ie anywhere near enough).
 
 
rizla mission
09:35 / 02.09.05
I'd like to thank Ture Art for his spot-on post above, and particularly for raising the issue of New Orleans cultural and historical significance.

I hope it doesn't seem callous to say so with so much on-going devastation and chaos, but I'm really, really sad that it's New Orleans of all places that's gotten destroyed.

I can't help but see it as almost some kind of horrible portent that a city so closely associated with everything that's cool and exciting in the romantic myth of 19th-20th Century America has been leveled right under the nose of the current administration.

And, yes, doesn't the general media coverage of this just make you want to give up human society as a bad idea and kill yourself? Even watching the BBC, it was like... enough fucking "looters" already! Can we actually have some, like, facts on what's going on? How many people are affected? Where are they heading? What infrastructure is left in place? Y'know, that sort of thing?!?!?

"Looters"... my fucking god! What a label to put on people in a situation like this! Cos I'm sure all these storm-ravaged, water-logged supermarkets in a disaster area are gonna be re-opening tomorrow, and the managers are going to be ever so upset that somebody's pinched all their tinned ham. For fuck's sake.
 
 
Char Aina
10:01 / 02.09.05
yeah.
looting to me suggests taking advantage of the confusion surrounding a disaster... these people are trying to survive, not get rich quick on the misery.
condemning someone for doing it now would be like busting someone lost in the wilderness for hunting without a license.
 
 
modern maenad
10:14 / 02.09.05
I'm sure all these storm-ravaged, water-logged supermarkets in a disaster area are gonna be re-opening tomorrow, and the managers are going to be ever so upset that somebody's pinched all their tinned ham. For fuck's sake.

supremely said
 
 
Mazarine
11:30 / 02.09.05
And the director of FEMA says that people who didn't evacuate "Bear some responsibility."

I could just fucking spit blood.
 
 
ibis the being
11:31 / 02.09.05
This is an EMERGENCY and there are people on the ground in New Orleans who should have been receiving help on Tuesday.

Where the FUCK is national guard?!? Where is FEMA!?!


Weirdly enough, yesterday I kept hearing spokesmen from FEMA or MEMA (Mississippi) on NPR claiming that there were all these Natl Guardsmen already down there, even though the radio host was insisting the reports confirmed far fewer troops. The fact that they had all police force yesterday STOP search & rescue to work on "security" and curbing looting is incomprehensible. Yesterday Bush was on Good Morning America talking about "taking a hard line" on looting and price gouging at the gas pumps. What the fuck! Does this guy know how to do anything but beat a war drum??

I'm sorry, I'm not normally a big fan of assuming a conspiracy, but I just keep seeing footage of these huge crowds of poor black people and thinking, there's your answer. I hope Bush is utterly flayed for this gross, GROSS failure in the rescue effort.
 
 
bio k9
12:18 / 02.09.05
Link to an interview with Mayor Ray Nagin.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:48 / 02.09.05
Blacks, treated like "animals"?

Nah, you think?

Righteous moment yest'y: NPR host Robert Siegel rips Homeland Security sec'y Michael Chertoff a new one. Listen to the audio only if you've got a high tolerance for callousness and weaseldom: I almost threw my radio out the fucking window.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:11 / 02.09.05
Now, admittedly, part of the problem here is the doctrine of posse comitatus, which forbids the use of the armed forces for enforcing civilian law without the express permission of Congress.

The doctrine dates back to Reconstruction, and is in most cases a good and necessary thing—it's a dafeguard against, oh, I dunno, a President declaring martial law and doing a fascist takeover. But it's also proved a hindrance to the enforcment of federal laws where local law enforcement have been unable or unwilling to do so—as in the 1960s, when JFK sent in the Army to enforce the integation of the University of Mississippi—but only after days of wrangling with the Pentagon and all manner of provisions, including segregation of black troops involved in the action.

So, yeah, "Send in the Army!" isn't as easy as it sounds.

Good article on the Bush admin's fucked-up response here.
 
 
Tom Coates
15:22 / 02.09.05
This is the weblog that I'm following most: Interdictor on Livejournal and here's a fragment of one of the posts that's affecting me most:

Dead bodies everywhere: convention center, down camp street, all over.

National Guard shoving water off the backs of trucks. They're just pushing it off without stopping, people don't even know it's there at first -- they drop it on the side in debris, there's no sign or distribution point -- people are scared to go near it at first, because the drop points are guarded by troops or federal agents with assault rifles who don't let people come near them, which scares people off. It is a mess. When people actually get to the water, they are in such a rush to get it that one family left their small child behind and forget about her until Sig carried him back to the family.

Lots of pics coming soon when Sig has time to update.

It's raining now and I guess that's a relief from the heat. It's hot as hell down there in the sun. Crime is absolutely rampant: rapes, murders, rape-murder combinations.

I have really cut back answering IMs. Not enough time. I apologize people.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:20 / 02.09.05
Some heartwrenching coverage can be found here.
 
 
sleazenation
17:30 / 02.09.05
Bush meeting people on CNN - the first thought that hits me is are all the people he's meeting there been vetted as confirmed republicans before they are allowed near the President - they certainly seem to be very docile and uncritical...
 
 
grant
17:32 / 02.09.05
I just spotted this topic now (been busy at work), so this is sort of a late response, but:

Nina said: The National Guard might be local and helpful but they're probably not as seasoned with this level of tragedy. It's the difference between advanced first aid training and a paramedic.

Actually, the National Guard are the only ones who *are* as seasoned with disaster on this scale -- I remember them around in west Miami-Dade after Andrew. They were the ones who set up the tent cities back then. This is basically their job, only now they're out in Iraq.

There's some more linkage in the Convo thread about what this storm has done to America's oil supply, and it's really not encouraging news. Also, bear in mind that Katrina's eastern face hit a wide swath of coastline alongside where Ivan's western face hit. There are a lot of people around there who aren't going to be moving back.

Just heard on the radio that at optimum, the New Orleans pumps can lower water levels in the city at the rate of one foot per day. Now, it's over 20 feet, and there's no power, and no one knows what shape the pump facilities are in but you can guess they're not "optimum."
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
17:37 / 02.09.05
That NPR interview with Chertoff made me want to kill.

The interview with Mayor Nagin made me want to cheer, then cry.

Garland: What did you say to the president of the United States and what did he say to you?



Nagin: I basically told him we had an incredible, uh, crisis here and that his flying over in air force one does not do it justice and I have been all around this city and I am very frustrated because we are not able to marshal resources and we're outmanned in just about every respect. You know the reason why the looters got out of control? Because we had most of our resources saving people, thousands of people that were stuck in attics man, old ladies, when you pull off the doggone ventilator vent and you look down there and there standing in there in water up to their freakin neck and they don’t have a clue what’s going on down here. They flew down here one time, two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras AP reporters, all kind of goddamned, excuse my French everybody in America, but I am pissed.

And nobody gives this guy the time of day. Even the fucking governor is standing around with his dick in his hand. What is wrong with these motherfuckers? Everyone's pointing fingers and mouthing platitudes and no one is fucking ACCOMPLISHING ANYTHING. They're just lying and talking about fucking gas prices! None of these politicians represent anybody I know, that's for sure. Except Mayor Nagil. he seems to be the only one who gives a shit.

The news channels are full of shit. The officials are full of shit. I'm just some half-broke New England drunkie, and all I can do is write increasingly-hysterical emails to my congressmen and rage about it on the internet with you all. We elect these people as our representatives specifically for situations like this, where we need to consolidate the collective "will of the people" in one person so they can GET THINGS DONE. I've seen precious few things get done.

This is shameful.
 
 
grant
17:37 / 02.09.05
On the political tip:

the FEMA released list of approved aid organizations -- the "where you should send donations" list, with the names and toll-free phone numbers -- was in alphabetical order.

Except for the second group.

Check out the top of the list:

> - American Red Cross, 800-HELP NOW (435-7669)
> English, 800-257-7575
> Spanish.
>
> - Operation Blessing, 800-436-6348.
>
> - America's Second Harvest, 800-344-8070.
>
> - Adventist Community Services, 800-381-7171.
>
> - Catholic Charities, USA, 703-549-1390.
>
> - Christian Disaster Response, 941-956-5183 or
> 941-551-9554.


Operation Blessing?
Pat Robertson's organization.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:26 / 02.09.05
"Operation Blessing"?
Oh, fuck off.

Now check this:



Mayor Ray "get off your asses" Nagin is on the left, looking vaguely like Vin Diesel, valiantly resisting the urge to punch Dubya RIGHT IN THE MOTHERFUCKING FACE.

You're a better man than I am, Ray.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
18:33 / 02.09.05
I saw that live. He looked more like he wanted to kill him in video. His whole posture was "mustnotstranglemustnotstranglemustnotstranglemustnotstranglemustnotstrangle..."

I can't believe the nerve of Bush. Swaggering in four days late with his fucking smirk in place. I don't think I've ever hated anyone as much.

Fun Fact! FOX News has christened this "America's Challenge."
 
 
MrKismet
18:38 / 02.09.05
I work for the State of AZ, here in Phoenix; we received a letter this morning from Gov. Janet Napolitano (D) that the AZ is mobilizing and will deploy Sunday morning. Also, our police force has offered helicopters and other critical law enforcement equipment; the Dept. of Environmental Quality is assisting with hazardous conditions; public health teams are ready to be dispatched as needed, and more.

Screw the Feds.
 
 
Aertho
18:44 / 02.09.05
Go AZ!
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:01 / 02.09.05
Just heard that one of the petroleum tanks along the coast ruptured and there's a growing oil spill seeping into the area.
 
 
Mazarine
19:11 / 02.09.05
Even the fucking governor is standing around with his dick in his hand.

The governor of Louisiana's a woman.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
19:11 / 02.09.05
All right.

This disaster really pokes a hole in the Department of Homeland Security. The whole point was prevention and quick reaction. We have seen neither. Everyone knew the hurricane was coming, but no one mobilized any transportation for people who couldn't get their own. They left the poor people out in the cold. And now, four days later, a greatly diminished National Guard is finally rolling into town.

I think Bush is fucked. I really do. He can't wave the flag and blame terrorists. He can't be the "Commander-in-Chief" on this one. He fucked up bad, and this time he has no excuse. And thousands of people are dead. I really don't think he can get out of this one.

Turn on the TV, the fucker's about to give his speech.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
19:13 / 02.09.05
Even the fucking governor is standing around with his dick in his hand.

The governor of Louisiana's a woman.

My bad. But the point stands.
 
  

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