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FinderWolf
15:05 / 07.09.05
Has anyone here discussed Kanye West's "George Bush hates black people" speech on Larry King Live? Also notable - and absolutely abominable - was Wolf Blitzer's off-the-cuff statement that certain survivors he was seeing were "so poor, and so black" (actual words, he said this as he was seeing a few victims on live TV on CNN - I heard this excerpt on the radio and was wondering if it was being widely discussed/replayed in the media).
 
 
FinderWolf
15:09 / 07.09.05
whoop, didn't scroll down enough , I see the thread about it now. Although Wolf Blitzer's comment doesn't seem to be in there...
 
 
FinderWolf
16:45 / 07.09.05
The Onion weighs in, once again bringing welcome humor to a horrible situation:

>> God Outdoes Terrorists Yet Again

- Officials Uncertain Whether To Save Or Shoot Victims

- Nation's Politicians Applaud Great Job They're Doing

- Area Man Drives Food There His Goddamned Self

- Bush: 'It Has Been Brought To My Attention That There Was Recently A Bad Storm'
 
 
sleazenation
21:00 / 07.09.05
Maybe I'm wrong about this and the American people will finally realize that Bush is an awful President. Unfortunately, recent history indicates that this will not be the case.

Well he'll definitely get away with it if people don't continue to voice their anger and concerns about Bush's failures, largely and loudly.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
22:08 / 07.09.05
It's not like he can run for a second term anyway, so all the Republican party has to do is find somebody relatively untarnished by this and they'll be back for another four years, making the same mistakes.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
00:29 / 08.09.05
Metamute has a pretty amazing article from two people who tried to self-organise in New Orleans and were systematically lied to and fucked over by cops, National Guard, etc. This makes all the claims of rioting and sniper fire look pretty dodgy, if you ask me.

And now that NO has actually been evacuated, the game of resettlement (or rather, detention) begins. Read the whole article, it's pretty fucking nuts.
 
 
Francine I
02:08 / 08.09.05
From the article mentioned above:

"Just as dusk set in, a Gretna Sheriff showed up, jumped out of his patrol vehicle, aimed his gun at our faces, screaming, "Get off the fucking freeway". A helicopter arrived and used the wind from its blades to blow away our flimsy structures. As we retreated, the sheriff loaded up his truck with our food and water."

Fuck.
 
 
Aertho
02:46 / 08.09.05
Okay seriously, how can we make senators and decision making basatrds actually READ all this? Do we all grab cameras and film documentaries? Lord knows Michael Moore is probably handing them out. But what can we do besides volunteer? The fury will be washed away without decisive action NOW.
 
 
Rage
04:05 / 08.09.05
If you guys are concerend about the Red Cross and where their donations are really going to... here is a list of alternative organizations you can donate to.



Grassroots/Low-income/People of Color-led Hurricane Katrina Relief
 
 
rizla mission
09:06 / 08.09.05
It's not like he can run for a second term anyway, so all the Republican party has to do is find somebody relatively untarnished by this and they'll be back for another four years, making the same mistakes.

That's the depressing thing really isn't it... they've managed to get their president re-elected on the basis of his conservative xtian-ness despite the fact that he's the most obvious blundering idiot in political history..

..all they've gotta do next time is get in some tough guy who can say "I'm a conservative xtian AND I ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE HELL I'M DOING", and they'll be unstoppable..

Um.. bit off-topic I guess - my apologies.
 
 
ibis the being
15:37 / 08.09.05
Here's a recent gem from that lovable fetus-cuddler Rick Santorum -

"“…you have people who don’t heed those warnings and then put people at risk as a result of not heeding those warnings. There may be a need to look at tougher penalties on those who decide to ride it out and understand that there are consequences to not leaving.”"

How dare they put rescue workers at risk when they're already working so hard at rescuing people! I think some sort of punishment is the only way to show them there are consequences to not leaving... but what could it be.... That's right, let's fine those irresponsible assholes! Better yet, shoot 'em on sight!
 
 
Slim
22:41 / 08.09.05
Vox Populi!
 
 
alejandrodelloco
00:39 / 09.09.05
Vox Populi! (Video of someone saying "Go fuck yourself, Mr. Cheney")

That was great. It reminded me of how a protester hit Cheney's limo with a snowball during the inaugural parade.
 
 
alas
00:42 / 09.09.05
If only they had taken the cameras away from the Dick and let the unseen heckler speak. I do like the fact that the guy called him "Mr. Cheney" as he did his drive-by cursing. God bless 'em in the South; they're so polite!
 
 
grant
01:41 / 09.09.05
Well, he might also have been quoting Cheney's similar outburst on the Senate floor....
 
 
sleazenation
06:40 / 09.09.05
Yes, something that has been touched up is how few of the aid organizations ALLOWED into the NOLA have been anything other than faith-based. Secular aid institutions seem to be being slowly frozen out in the Bush administtrations push for more powerful and more prominent faith-based organizations...
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
09:08 / 09.09.05
There's also the possibility that lists of emgergency and non-emergency parishes were mixed up in the original pre-storm warnings...
 
 
ibis the being
15:37 / 09.09.05
If you missed Bush's statement on Emergency Disaster Relief yesterday, here's a transcript.

While I applaud the idea of expediting aid and other benefits to hurricane victims, asking them to call a phone number or log on to the Internet is quite silly.

What really galled me, though, were his remarks on the Natl Day of Prayer and Remembrance. I hardly think it's appropriate for the President to lead the nation in prayer the way he does here - we are not a theocracy and he shouldn't lead as though we are.

I ask that we pray -- as Americans have always prayed in times of trial -- with confidence in His purpose, with hope for a brighter future, and with the humility to ask God to keep us strong so that we can better serve our brothers and sisters in need.

The mention of "His purpose" strays way too far into the realm of Christian doctrine, and I would argue even not-too-subtly lifts the responsibility off of the government's shoulders for what has happened in LA/MS. He's implying (the sneaky bastard), "Whatever happened and will happen is God's will, and it's not for us to complain or criticize it, only to pray for strength on how to cope with it." Frighteningly enough I suspect that line of thought will go down quite well among the Christian American population.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:25 / 09.09.05
The first of probably many heads just rolled..

>> FEMA Chief Relieved of Katrina Duties By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer
>> 2 minutes ago


WASHINGTON - Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Michael Brown is being removed from his role managing Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, The Associated Press has learned.

Brown is being sent back to Washington from Baton Rouge, where he was the primary official overseeing the federal government's response to the disaster, according to two federal officials who declined to be identified before the announcement.

Brown will be replaced by Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad w. Allen, who was overseeing New Orleans relief and rescue efforts.

Brown has been under fire because of the administration's slow response to the magnitude of the hurricane. On Thursday, questions were raised about whether he padded his resume to highlight his previous emergency management background.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:26 / 09.09.05
REP Barbara Lee spearheaded a relief effort just down the road from where I live. An insane amount of donations were gathered. She hasn't stopped there and has also been calling for Mike Brown's resignation. She was the only person to vote against the Patriot Act amidst the 9/11 mess and along with the handful of others that make up the Congressional Black Caucus have been working to bring a semblance of justice back into the U.S. government.

This whole debicle makes me wish for the first Afro-American president to be elected with-in the decade.
 
 
Busigoth
17:28 / 10.09.05
I'm from New Orleans, born & raised. My home is under 10 feet of water. I've lost all my research notes & all but a few books, including all my John le Carrés, all but 1 of my James Lee Burke Dave Robichaux novels, all my Andre Nortons, all my Anne McCaffrey dragon books.

I've read some of the early posts, but don't have time to read more b/c I have to use the computer in the Fairhope Public Library w/ a 1 hr time limit. (Through the kindness of a friend here in Alabama I have a place to stay.)

I've read a lot of claptrap on this forum so far. If you want to know wants going on on the ground in N.O. chk out www.nola.com (see especially the open letter to President Bush) or www.wwltv.com. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers failed us. FEMA continues to fail us.

We will rebuild, but I suspect we'll do it on our own w/ the help of true friends who know us.

That's all I have to say.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
20:40 / 10.09.05
Some of the NOLA residents who were evacuated have started circulating a bizarre, but slightly believable, conspiracy theory: that the 'big money' pople blew up the levees to clear space for urban redevelopment.
From BoingBoing:
In the Houston Astrodome last Saturday, I met a man named Robert. He invited me to take a seat beside him on a cot pushed against the wall - his home for the previous three days and the foreseeable future. Robert had lived in New Orleans for all of his 55 years, and was in the St. Bernard projects when Katrina washed it all away. "After the storm," he told me almost as soon as I sat down, "they blew the levees up so they could flood New Orleans." I asked him who "they" were.

"The money people," he answered. "The big money." "Why?" I asked.

Robert shook his head at my naiveté. "They had to get the poor people out so they could get the space." He gestured to the thousands of people in the dome around us, almost all of them African-American, crammed onto cots a few inches apart. "Now they got their space.

"We survived the storm," Robert went on. "We survived the wind and the rain. After the storm passed, the water started rising, and all you heard was 'Boom!' " The explosions, he said, were the levees blowing. "Ask any of these people. The hurricane wasn't that bad, but the opportunity came up."

It was a real estate grab, Robert explained - gentrification with a genocidal edge. And if he was more than slightly paranoid - he didn't want to tell me his last name, and grew visibly nervous when a white stadium employee began sweeping the floor within earshot a few feet away - his theory made a certain kind of sense, far more than any of the official excuses for government inaction. I would later hear similar speculations again and again in New Orleans, and saw them written on the walls. Just across the canal from the flooded 9th Ward, on a corner heavy with the scent of death, these words were scrawled across an abandoned garage: "Fuck Bush They Fucking Left Us Here Them Bitches Flooded Us . . . Them Bitches Killed Our People."

A poster in the comments box underneath the article, a Flordidian who's been through many hurricanes, explains how transformers are likely to short out during hurricanes, producing loud bangs, which seems like a more plausible explanation (explosives would leave forensic evidence). But still, there seems something a little creepy about how the American government has handled NOLA and the subsequent No Man's Land.
 
 
Aertho
21:02 / 10.09.05
Wouldn't we have heard something more about the "BOOM" this man insinuates? Has anybody heard anything remotely legit to back this up?
 
 
CameronStewart
21:08 / 10.09.05
>>>I've read a lot of claptrap on this forum so far<<<

Just out of curiosity, since you have direct first-hand experience with the situation, what parts of this thread do you think are "claptrap"?

That's not a snarky question, I'm genuinely interested.
 
 
diz
07:39 / 11.09.05
I agree with Chad that it's unlikely that this conspiracy theory is true, but I think the overall effect may ultimately be the same as if it had been.
 
 
Hattie's Kitchen
08:03 / 11.09.05
Especially as, in a Halliburton-stylee, construction firms with links to the Bush administration are already first in line for rebuilding contracts...
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
10:57 / 11.09.05
Maureen Dowd explains why Brownie was a totally brilliant appointment.

I hate this administration with a passion.
 
 
ibis the being
14:40 / 11.09.05
Wow, that really turns the stomach.

From the story linked above -

FEMA was a disaster waiting to happen, the minute a disaster struck. As The Washington Post reported Friday, five of the eight top FEMA officials were simply Bush loyalists and political operatives who "came to their posts with virtually no experience in handling disasters."

While many see the hideous rescue failures as disaster apartheid, Barbara Bush and other Republicans have tried to look on the bright side for the victims. The Wall Street Journal reported that Representative Richard Baker of Baton Rouge was overheard telling lobbyists: "We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did."


I wish someone in the media would draw a parallel between Bush reading a book about a goat on 9/11 and whatever the hell he was doing for two/three days before he responded to Katrina. Also from the above piece -

The breakdown in management and communications was so execrable that the president learned about the 25,000 desperate, trapped people at the New Orleans convention center not from Brownie, who didn't know himself, but from a wire story carried into the Oval Office by an aide on Thursday, 24 hours after the victims had been pleading and crying for help on every channel. (Maybe tomorrow the aide will come in with a wire story, "No W.M.D. in Iraq.")
 
 
ibis the being
15:58 / 11.09.05
The Smoking Gun has published a memo (orig. reported by AP) Brown sent to Chertoff on 8/29 regarding the DHS response to Katrina.

Under "Role of Assigned Personnel," it includes the directive to "convey a positive image of disaster operations to government officials, community organizations, and the general public." (p2)
 
 
sleazenation
20:02 / 11.09.05
It's not about doing a good job, it's about getting better PR on the job you do...
 
 
Hieronymus
00:37 / 12.09.05
Jesus Christ.

From the Daily Telegraph

DOCTORS working in hurricane-ravaged New Orleans killed critically ill patients rather than leave them to die in agony as they evacuated.
With gangs of rapists and looters rampaging through wards in the flooded city, senior doctors took the harrowing decision to give massive overdoses of morphine to those they believed could not make it out alive.

"I didn't know if I was doing the right thing," the doctor said.

"But I did not have time. I had to make snap decisions, under the most appalling circumstances, and I did what I thought was right.

"I injected morphine into those patients who were dying and in agony.

"If the first dose was not enough, I gave a double dose.

"And at night I prayed to God to have mercy on my soul."
 
 
bjacques
12:35 / 12.09.05
Shocking, but why start believing the Telegraph *now*? It's a good story, since it lets them beat up on euthanasia while not blaming the US federal government.

But it's horrific, if true.


Go Fuck Yourself Guy has a name and he's one of my latest heroes. Lucky he had friendly witnesses around, though.


Speaking of WWLTV.COM, here are a few words of hope. But stop before the last one or two paragraphs. It looks like some white developers are about to "find" a whole city.


I lived in NO a couple of years as a kid and half my relatives are from there. I had a Zulu coconut from Mardi Gras, but I didn't store it properly and it rotted, so I had to throw it out.

One of my uncles lost his camp (house a few meters offshore) on the Slidell side of Lake Pontchartrain. The house was barely habitable after hurricane Ivan, with no potable water and half the floor gone, so it's probably just as well. He's a bit of a hermit, so he'll take some resocializing. My dad will probably put him up.

My uncle studied under Frank Lloyd Wright at Taliesin West, then came home and built a home for my grandparents, in Metairie. It was deeded to the nuns to pay for care for my grandmother the last 10 years of her life. But according to GoogleMaps it's still standing and dry. North Turnbull, 2411 if I remember correctly. If you're a FLW fan, check it out.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:45 / 12.09.05
Yahoo news reports that in the wake of Katrina, the Republicans are seizing on this moment to try to introduce new energy legislation -- more drilling in the Arctic, more drilling in places they previously haven't been allowed because of environmental concerns, and...

>> Reflecting a widespread view among GOP lawmakers, Domenici also was optimistic about easing environmental requirements that the oil industry argues have prevented new refinery construction.

>> Some of the clean-air requirements suspended by the Environmental Protection Agency in the aftermath of Katrina to ease the flow of gasoline supplies should be permanently repealed, Sen. George Allen (news, bio, voting record), R-Va., argued.

Yikes.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:01 / 12.09.05
Yikes indeed. There's not getting it, and then there's NOT GETTING IT AT ALL. And there was me vainly hoping this'd be the proof needed (if proof be need be) to give MORE of a shit about the environment...
 
 
grant
18:08 / 12.09.05
TV is reporting Brown just resigned.

I think it's Fox -- some guy across the newsroom just shouted it.
 
  

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