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17:35 / 03.09.05
Sorry, I was told he said that or something very close to that somewhere else, not in that interview. Excerpts from that quote were found in the Times Online, which I tried to link to but it got screwed up, I probably didn't close the tag. I also linked to the interview, but I didn't mean to imply the quote was from that. Maybe a mod could fix my clumsy html for me? thanks.
 
 
Aertho
17:40 / 03.09.05
Because ibis has a point:

Everything south of the Carolinas will be affected. Does that mean the economy will tank? I sincerely hope not. Gas is $3.25/g in screw-public-transport-Michigan. So besides the oil issue, what will come of this? Anyone seen pundits and analysts spitting real figures?
 
 
A fall of geckos
21:25 / 03.09.05
There's an article on the Army Times website referring to the looters as "the insurgency" which is an interesting choice of words. Also from the same article:

“This place is going to look like Little Somalia,” Brig. Gen. Gary Jones, commander of the Louisiana National Guard’s Joint Task Force told Army Times Friday as hundreds of armed troops under his charge prepared to launch a massive citywide security mission from a staging area outside the Louisiana Superdome. “We’re going to go out and take this city back. This will be a combat operation to get this city under control.”
 
 
Lurid Archive
21:35 / 03.09.05
I was just reading Crooked Timber and I came across this:

As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans convention center yesterday, American Red Cross officials said that federal emergency management authorities would not allow them to do the same.

Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass feeding there now.

"The Homeland Security Department has requested and continues to request that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler, spokeswoman for the Red Cross.


The reasoning is that they don't want to encourage people to stay.

I'm speechless.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
21:38 / 03.09.05
That's insanity. Are they actively trying to kill people? I don't get it. What possible reason could they have?

I was shocked at the FOX clip- Who woulda thunk Geraldo and Shepard Smith had it in 'em?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:48 / 03.09.05
Who woulda thunk Geraldo and Shepard Smith had it in 'em?

It was a huge surprise, I liked the way the anchor clearly thought Shepard Smith was getting a bit dodgy, flicked back to Geraldo and got an even huger response of the same sort from him. If Fox reporters are saying this... I'm beginning to think that Bush might actually be in trouble. Shepard Smith saying "I don't know" was probably one of the most significant things ever said on the American news. Geraldo saying "what has happened since is as bad or worse then what Mother Nature did." Damn I mean Geraldo.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:51 / 03.09.05
The reasoning is that they don't want to encourage people to stay.

I'm speechless.


And as to this, they're not allowing them to walk away. So Jake the answer is yes, they are trying to kill them.
 
 
Ganesh
00:25 / 04.09.05
Ahh, that special relationship again...
 
 
alejandrodelloco
00:37 / 04.09.05
Oh. My. God. This makes the money that everyone is sending to the Red Cross irrelevant in terms of food.

I feel sick.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:39 / 04.09.05
Can I just rant here? I'm going to rant:

Kanye West is totally right, the more I see of this the more I see racial and class segregation. People tell me all the time America doesn't have a fucking class system. Well here's the proof that it DOES because if those were middle class white people with guns, looting and shooting they'd still be trying to help them. It's sick that they're not letting people try to walk away. It's sick that they're saying they're not letting the red cross in because they don't want people to flock to the area. People should be flocking to areas to get food. And what the fuck is the red cross doing listening to the government? They need to drive past those soldiers and if they get shot then fuck it, America's going to be in severe international trouble. They've got trucks, just keep going at 10mph and don't stop driving and get relief in there. Okay, I know that's not fair but I feel so irate.

And what the fuck are ordinary people doing? For 6 DAYS people have been waiting outside the convention centre waiting for food and water and there isn't any and it's not right for ordinary people to go down there and try to help? MY ARSE it's not right. The government has stranded its own citizens, it's started a stupid war that means your own people have no help, it's put the country into economic crisis and it's more worried about oil than thousands of poverty stricken hungry people who've been hit by your worst natural disaster possibly ever. WHERE ARE THE FUCKING TESTICLES? Go down there, armed with your frying pans, hit those soldiers round the temple, go to the White House and protest, tell your government they're killing these poor people. Has no one got any fucking soul left? Letter writing isn't going to do it, you need to find out where your congressman or woman lives and go and stand outside their house for 6 days. You need to use your bodies not your pen, you need to tell them they're wrong. Storm congress. Take your power into your hands and do something. There's a point at which you've got to be willing to be shot because thing's are so wrong. Your country has now reached that point and your people lie down like dogs and you take it but thousands of you are dying. Those people are DYING and they're being INTERNED, New Orleans is an internment camp right now because they've sent troops in and Mr Bush said their priority would be to maintain law and order, and to assist in aid and evacuation efforts.

Assist. Seriously people, this is your country.

Okay I know America's a huge fucking country and most of you live too far away to actually go there with your frying pans and all of that and I'm not really talking to people posting here just... ranting. I can't help it, I just can't believe this.
 
 
Ganesh
01:37 / 04.09.05
I take back my earlier comments regarding the anger this is generating. Sunday's Observer's carrying rather less stoically oh-well-better-late-than-never stuff, particularly from those taking refuge in the Convention Centre:

'The police were in boats watching us. They were just laughing at us. Five of them to a boat, not trying to help nobody. Helicopters were riding by just looking at us. They weren't helping. We were pulling people on bits of wood, and the National Guard would come driving by in their empty military trucks.'

...

'So about two o'clock we went on to the streets and we asked the army, "Where can we go?". And they said, "Just take off because there's no one going to come back for you." They kicked my family out of there. If I knew how to hotwire a car I would have,' Walker said.

Once inside the Convention Centre, Walker confronted a new hell. 'People were being raped, there were cries and screams, there were gunshots, but the police did nothing,' Walker said.

'The police were afraid to do anything,' said Chantelle, a black 22- year-old. 'They wouldn't come in. They took two white guys out one night but left the rest of us in here.'
 
 
ibis the being
02:25 / 04.09.05
Nina, I totally agree with you. America doesn't have a class system... right, we don't have one in the sense that we just pretend it doesn't exist. I wish I could do something but I live way up North, days away. It's a horrible feeling to not be able to do anything about it. I have to confess I haven't donated, because I don't want to donate to the disgrace that is FEMA nor do I want to send a check to the Red Cross that's going to probably sit in limbo for years. And for fuck's sake, this is where our tax money is supposed to go! We're the richest nation in the world, how is it that children have to send in their lunch money to make this happen? - I don't think there actually IS a need for more funds, there's just the need for the US Govt to actually give a shit about those people.

Everything south of the Carolinas will be affected. Does that mean the economy will tank? I sincerely hope not. Gas is $3.25/g in screw-public-transport-Michigan. So besides the oil issue, what will come of this? Anyone seen pundits and analysts spitting real figures?

Chad, that's not what I meant by "affected." I'm really not fretting about the economy right now. Is that the most important issue here? I think the most important issue has more to do with black Americans dying at the hands of a colossal federal fuckup.
 
 
alejandrodelloco
03:42 / 04.09.05
Oh My God.

National Guard members halted the evacuation of the Superdome early Saturday after buses transporting the refugees of Hurricane Katrina stopped rolling. About 2,000 people remained in the stadium and could be there until Sunday, according to the Texas Air National Guard. They had hoped to evacuate the last of the crowd before dawn Saturday.

Damn. They really don't care about them.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
07:17 / 04.09.05
I need to vent.

I've had cable news networks on all the time since this shit happened, and there's one thing that keeps nagging at me. These reporters and camera crews keep pointing the lens at people who are starving and dying, and telling us about how awful it is, but they don't do a fucking thing.

Case in point: I was watching FOX News earlier, and their reporter was talking about a woman who was dying on the street not twenty feet from him, and he was all indignant about how the police wouldn't help her, they just shrugged their shoulders and moved on. The National Guard wouldn't do anything. And it was oh-so-awful and he could see her expiring (not twenty feet away) and someone put a sign over her and why can't they save her?

FUCKING DO SOMETHING, YOU FUCKING DICK. You're sitting there talking about how awful it is and how close you are- well, you're fucking close, aren't you? Don't try to tell me you don't have bottles of Poland Springs in your fucking news van. GIVE THE POOR FUCKING WOMAN SOME WATER, YOU SADISTIC, VOYEURISTIC FUCK.
 
 
sleazenation
10:01 / 04.09.05
I'm struggling here... there is so much to say, but so little of it is really important in the face of this human disaster and governmental disgrace.

Except it kind of is important. Cause it seems like the Bush administration are getting away with so much stuff that is making America a worse place for its citizens, draining money out of fedral budgets - closing libraries, limiting the access to education, deferring maintainence and improvements to public services and utilities. his administration is also rolling back civil liberties and attempting to strengthen the power of the church within the state.

And he seems to be getting away with it partly because of the pacuity and timidity of American news media. Politicians are given an easy ride, allowed not to answer the questions and change the subject at their whims. He's also getting away with it because of the resignation of the American people - we've seen people in this thread expressing their doubt that the pathetic governmental response will harm President Bush in any way. - Yeah, that might happen - but it will definitely be the case if you fail to rip into the various federal government agencies and the President for their failings in dealing with, and contributing to the current crisis along the Gulf Coast.

Without Bush being made to face the consequences of various elements of his policies, everyone loses.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:04 / 04.09.05
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/09/we-told-you-so.html
 
 
grant
12:30 / 04.09.05
Dysentery has broken out in Biloxi.
 
 
alas
16:53 / 04.09.05
Maybe this is obvious, but, in the midst of my real anger against Bush, in my quiet still center, I do know he's just a symptom of a huger problem: in my country, wealth and our claim (sometimes dubious) to vast natural resources--however unequally the wealth and the profits from those resources have been distributed--has made us short-sighted, selfish, and willing to believe that we can do everything on the cheap and without paying for it.

It's not just Bush who is like that, and not even just Republicans. We are a tax-cut and spend society, a credit-card society, and chickens are coming home to roost all around. I wish it were just a Bush problem. It's much bigger.

And I don't see a single event like this as sufficient for awakening on some mass scale--education is almost always a longer, slower process, requiring focus, attention, and time for reflection. In my experience as a teacher, enlightenment does not come from out the blue. It's a kind of tip of the iceberg, or something that happens at some critical point after evidence and reflection time has amassed and can only then, suddenly, crystalize. We're failing the job pretty miserably. Bush's "no child left" policy isn't helping, but the bigger problem is that as a society we have largely been able to bumble along on our wealth, and shut out, blame, or marginalize any voices outside, and shield ourselves from painful parts of reality. And we have access to more and more cool toys to distract us even further.

There is such an obvious failure of imagination in those Bush phrases, "No one could have ever predicted the levees would burst" and Condi's "No one could have predicted" that someone would slam a plane into skyscrapers. But, fact is, most of my students at this point feel no call, no urgency, no sense that it's possible, and imperative to!, in fact, plan for and work together on a broad social level to create and maintain a liveable world.

And so we don't value the very things we most need now to move forward. And so, here we are, with so much of our infrastructure--never fully funded, never fully solid, never really "caring" even at the best of times--sold down the river for a mess of flashy weaponry and SUVs in every garage (dreams of rags-to-SUVs, for the garage-less).
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:00 / 04.09.05
At the risk of sounding like I'm trivialising something so horrible- were Bill Cooper and even Jim Keith still alive, I'd like to see them try to prove now that FEMA is part of a project to control the world. For a multitude of reasons, it can't even perform its stated function. And THIS was the organisation we were all supposed to be terrified of? (See also- the UN).
 
 
Supaglue
20:38 / 04.09.05
I've not really got anything to add to what's gone before on this thread, but I'd really like to do something more than give money. Is there any other way anyone knows in helping with the relief effort?
 
 
Supaglue
20:40 / 04.09.05
....I should provide the caveat that I'm based in the UK but would be willing to travel.
 
 
ibis the being
20:58 / 04.09.05
Some police/firemen have committed suicide, others quit.

Police Shoot 8 on N.O. Bridge (V. short, apparently breaking news.)
 
 
sleazenation
21:05 / 04.09.05
Latest estimates put the death toll in the 1,000s, likely to be higher than 9/11.
 
 
sleazenation
21:08 / 04.09.05
There is apparently one report has it that armed police have shot dead a group of army/contractor engineers...

Any word of confirmation on this?
 
 
Persephone
21:20 / 04.09.05
I figure this is what I can do:

1. Give money to the Red Cross. This is what the Red Cross website says about what they are doing for New Orleans. I think it is still kosher to give money to the Red Cross; it's clear that there will be a continued need for support for displaced hurricane victims.

2. Volunteer with my local Red Cross. I'm not qualified to be a rescue worker, but the Chicago Red Cross site says that volunteers are needed for things like phone banks. Well, I can answer phones. If it makes anybody feel a little bit better, all the volunteer training sessions for this weekend are full. I'm tired of feeling like there's nothing I can do in these situations, and it's because I'm not prepared to do anything. I can at least learn fucking CPR--

3. Give blood.
 
 
bio k9
22:00 / 04.09.05
Report: Police shoot gunmen

Police shot and killed at least five people Sunday after gunmen opened fire on contractors crossing a bridge to make levee repairs, The Associated Press reported.

Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley told AP that police shot at eight people who had guns, killing five or six.

The Army Corps of Engineers told AP that 14 contractors escorted by police were fired upon while crossing the Danziger Bridge, which spans a canal connecting Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River.

Corps spokesman John Hall told AP the contractors were on their way to launch barges into Lake Pontchartrain to help fix a breech in the 17th Street Canal.

Initial AP reports had wrongly indicated that the contractors themselves were shot by police; no other details were immediately available.


CNN
 
 
Mazarine
02:02 / 05.09.05
Al Gore helps out get people out and bring them to Tennessee, and doesn't grant any interviews while he's doing it.

And he does it personally, as in he was on the damn plane helping with patients.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
05:01 / 05.09.05
Somethingawful.com has not only had their New Orleans based servers ruined and a long ream of hate-mail calling the webmaster's two-month old daughter a 'dirty slut', but now the Paypal system they set up to solicit donations, which recieved $30,000 dollars in donations in only a few days, is now all kinds of fucked up. Read the site yourself (from bottom to top) to see the story unfold. It really makes me wish that Paypal didn't have such a monopoly on the internet fund transfers market.
 
 
Cherielabombe
07:09 / 05.09.05
And where was the Secretary of State while all of this misery was unfolding? Deciding if she wanted a $7000 low heel or just a $7000 pair of flats.
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
14:59 / 05.09.05
(Halfway down the page):
Clintons call for a Congress investigation into the federal government's response to Katrina.
 
 
Aertho
15:20 / 05.09.05
The Clintons move to have an investigation. Good move Hillary.

Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund: Wow.

Any word on Colin Powell?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:39 / 05.09.05
I see they're letting everyone else flock back in now they've moved the scum out.
 
 
Aertho
20:56 / 05.09.05
This might seem lame, but Oprah's in San Antonio with Barak Obama. This probably means very-special-episodes of survival, but I'm hoping she nails the racists to the wall every weekday at 4:00. I'm stuck on CNN's Situation Room. During every commercial break, they're running an ad AGAINST the John Roberts confirmation.

I'm gay for Christiane Amanpour.
 
 
Cherielabombe
21:09 / 05.09.05

I'm gay for Christiane Amanpour.

As are so, so many of us..
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
21:50 / 05.09.05
I've finally managed to read this whole thread and get my head around what's going on in NO (sort of), and I'm a really weird combination of stomach-twisting anger and guilt at not paying enough attention to it sooner. I flew from Maine to London last week and didn't have internet access until the other day. My awareness of it was sporadic and based mostly on brief time spent in internet cafes and headlines at newsstands, plus the occasional free paper on the tube. So my impression of events jumped from "there's a hurricane headed to New Orleans" to "New Orleans is fucked and people are killing each other." Everything was very surreal and didn't really sink in; maybe it was a combination of jetlag and adjusting to life in a city, in a foreign country. I still can't help feeling guilty for not paying enough attention to it even though I'm pretty sure that's a totally irrational reaction. But jesus: I was off enjoying the novelty of pubs and Guinness and fish and chips while people were fucking dying and I didn't even bother fucking dropping a pound at an internet cafe and spending an hour reading about it.

So that this isn't a totally useless post: Fox News is trying to shift the blame onto the mayor for not having an evacuation plan. I want to punch something.
 
  

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