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Lost (E4 Thread)

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06:14 / 18.08.05

I am starting this thread mainly because I am dying to say,

"DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO!"

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07:49 / 18.08.05

Yes, it was rather good, that wasn't it...didn't see it coming at all, and was wondering what the whole business with the wiggly toes and socks was all about.

Collective 'Ahhhhhh! Soooooooo!' at the end revelation.

Definitely hooked.

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:53 / 18.08.05

Normally I shy away from speculating that things are obviously influenced by or reminiscent of Grant Morrison, but Locke's backstory seemed heavily remiscent of Greg Feely at various points - and then, holy fuck, he's not Feely, he's Xavier. An amazing reveal, because they set you up to think "oh, okay, his walkabout changed him", and then "oh, okay, he never went on the walkabout but he gets to do it now", and then the camera goes round to his side of the desk and BAM. Which makes the sequence as we see him wake up and get up after the crash incredibly powerful. Good to have many of the clues about him explained so early on - the "miracle", his odd behaviour post-crash (smiling, etc).

What's also great about it is that it gives someone in the cast a potentially huge reason to not want to get off the island - he may come to believe he'll lose the power to walk if he leaves. Why is Locke lying about not seeing the monster? Or is it always invisible, in which he case he's not lying per se? How did he survive that encounter, anyway?

And WTF is the man in the suit?

08:03 / 18.08.05

jack's dad / DT apparition i spec. hand's up who can't wait for the 'i never asked to be a doctor' line from jack?

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08:04 / 18.08.05

Can we try and keep anything that's been revealed by sources other than the show (as shown so far) out of this thread?

08:16 / 18.08.05

It is also an episode that rewards repeat viewings - there are all sorts of clues about Locke in the episode - charlie using the wheelchair to collect firewood and engages in some random speculation about its owner. Lock himself talks about a double amputee mountaineer - you think at the time he is just thinking of him as some random heroic archetype, but he is thinking very specifically about emulating his achievement...

08:52 / 18.08.05

i've avoided the spoilers on the other threads, done none of the webby stuff to look for clues either, i'm just not the scuttling type. it took a very minor exercise of the mind to make the 'dad' supposition: nate, i mean jack, is a boozy doctor because he didn't want to be a doctor but it's a family thing, and now ptsd/dts is giving him dad ghosts. i could be wrong, but i doubt it. perhaps you ought to put 'no thoughts' in the topic abstract, or must we start a new thread every time someone says something you decide you don't want to hear?

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09:20 / 18.08.05

Ooh, touchy!

I liked it anyway. Reminded me of Glastonbury, for some reason...people in tuxedo's in inappropriate surroundings will forevermore be a signifier for Lost Vagueness as far as I'm concerned.

Locke is the second person to have a mysterious encounter with the invisible beastie and there to be no explanation at all as to what happened, how he survived, anything...

I wonder if he, in fact, did kill the boar. Maybe it was given to him 'pre-slaughtered'?

Also, are these names portentous or what?

09:59 / 18.08.05

ooh, touch You.

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10:17 / 18.08.05

Sorry gumbitch - will move to have that post deleted. To be honest I'd prefer it if Jack didn't turn out to have an alcohol problem - it's only in US TV that fancing a teeny tiny nip of vodka makes you an ADDICT.

"I no sooner perceived myself in the world than I found myself in a storm." - John Locke, do you see?

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10:18 / 18.08.05

Actually, let's keep that post of mine there, and I'll just clarify it's general, not about your post. People can speculate away...

10:40 / 18.08.05

Was there something weird about the phonecall Locke gets in his cubicle at the beggining or did I just imagine it? I was thinking "Oooooh, hitman!", but then the rest of the episode took a left turn to that idea.

A mysterious voice requests a secure line, he knows all about hunting, he has a case full of knives and he knows how to whittle a dog whistle (that one may not be as pertinent).

Might I just say though, not only was the episode great, but Terry O'Quinn was stupendous, especially in the bits where he's getting dumped on by his supervisor and where he decides he's going it alone to get the boar.

10:52 / 18.08.05

yeh 'scool, sorry for being snitchy. i don't want spoilers in this thread either because if i do get grabbed by lost to the point where i HAVE!! to know, i can go for a scuttle til i find some, but i think wild speculation should be something this thread feels happy to accommodate. as a show, it feels a little crappy still, it's only the speculation and pleasingly cheesy aroma that's keeping me around.

so, with locke is there a pierrot thing there, or is that me being a bit vague with my visual signifiers? before last night i seemed to think he was unhappy when folk were happy, and happy when everyone was up against it. is the secret he told walt to do with his miraculous heal, or something more 'blind backgammon player'ey?

asidedly, does anyone get the feeling that abrams, like mr t davies, is just a huge huge fan of grant morrison comics? enough twentythrees!!

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11:22 / 18.08.05

Was there something weird about the phonecall Locke gets in his cubicle at the beggining or did I just imagine it? I was thinking "Oooooh, hitman!", but then the rest of the episode took a left turn to that idea.

Well, at that point we're being invited to think he really IS a Colonel, and the caller is telling him about a real mission. Then we learn it's just his mate a few cubicles down inviting him to another tabletop battle.

BUT. Where did he learn to throw knives like that, assuming it wasn't just lucky? Can an ordinary Joe really check a suitcase full of knives onto a plane these days, even in baggage? How (or when) did he learn mad boar/monster-fighting skills, if that's what happened? (The other possibility is that the monster de-lurked, and told him "You can this boar and go on walking on the condition you send people into the jungle for me to eat for the rest of the season"...)

He's been in a wheelchair for (I think he says this) 10 years. How did he end up in one?

What if his apparently tenuous grasp of reality in the flashbacks is the result of the following history? He used to be some kind of badass special ops Colonel. He got his mind wiped and a new personality implanted: humble wheelchair-bound office job loser John Locke? His problem with his legs was never actually physical: it's a mental block someone inserted. During the trauma of the crash, a huge chunk of this mental block came loose.

That's all speculation, but it might work...

11:23 / 18.08.05

Meludreen - I read the phone call request for a secure line as classic misdirection - we are asking who Locke, seemingly a great white hunter at this point, really is - the phone call makes us think he might be some army colonel possibly on an undercover mission - then it turns out he's just some guy in a wheelchair who is know as 'the colonel' by the guy he plays Risk with (who i'm pretty certain is identified as the guy Locke was on the phone with...)

11:27 / 18.08.05

I think Locke mentions he has been in a wheelchair for 4 years, not 10.

I figured that the knives were part of the supplies he bought for his Australian walkabout, and his knife skills, traking skills etc. came from obsessive practicing on his wheelchaired lonesome along with reading lots of books on tracking...

Tabitha Tickletooth

11:37 / 18.08.05

I also thought that the language Locke used when in the Walkabout office - referring to dealing with his 'condition' - seemed deliberately ambiguous. This was no doubt partly to ensure the impact of the wheelchair revelation when it came, but it still stuck in my mind afterwards as an odd turn of phrase. Condition to me implied something from which he might possibly recover, rather than a permanent disability.

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12:30 / 18.08.05

Re : the knives...

As long they go in the hold, and the airline staff are informed, it wouldn't be a problem.

I also assumed his speech "I know more about this than you, I'm prepared' sort of explained the mad hunt skillz...

I think the fact he was after the boar, then encountered the giant invisible badger, then returned without mentioning it with dead boar in tow must be significant...We never saw him slay it.

Tryphena Absent

13:38 / 18.08.05

Condition to me implied something from which he might possibly recover

It could also imply MS, Parkinsons or another disease that effects people in that kind of way.

When I saw Jack's-man-in-suit I also thought it might be his father. Probably because, yeah, it looks like Nate Sr. suit in 6FU. I really hope he's not a hallucination though.

Regrettable Juvenilia

14:37 / 18.08.05

I think Locke mentions he has been in a wheelchair for 4 years, not 10.

Less than 16 years, either way! Ah! Ah!

16:16 / 18.08.05

ah, but 4 is the square root of 16 - ah ah do you see?

00:17 / 19.08.05

Well, at that point we're being invited to think he really IS a Colonel, and the caller is telling him about a real mission. Then we learn it's just his mate a few cubicles down inviting him to another tabletop battle.

D'oh. Seems kind of obvious. I think I missed the one bit where it's stated who it was that called. I actually can't wait to watch this one again next week.

I'm loving this show a lot. I have no idea what it is that's really going on and I'm dying to find out, but it's frustrating because I can't find out sooner. I'm steering clear of most things Lost-related on the web because I know that half the fun is going to be finding out and I really don't want to spoil this one. If it was a boxset though, it'd be hooked up to the vein.

I really hope it pays off as well as it's promising. Somebody said elsewhere that they were worried because Alias was so obviously made up as it went along, but this feels like it has a much better gameplan.

Btw. does this hold the record for most simultaneous threads on Barbelith?

Tryphena Absent

21:15 / 24.08.05

Oh bloody bloody bloody... it is his dad. That is so toss. (These advert breaks are too long.)

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21:35 / 24.08.05

"I made this birthday wish four years ago", says Badagorn to Kate. Do they know each other? Wait... Four years ago? WHEN HE SHOT LOCKE IN THE SPINE YES YES. (Or not.)

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21:57 / 24.08.05

Gah! So wait - the coffin was empty, right? Because they wouldn't let him put the body on the plane... or for some... other... reason? Fuck!

Liked the fact that Jack went on a walkabout this week, after last week. Loved the role Locke played. Locke could so easily be so many different things in this story... Villain, saviour... I want next week's episode now!

22:04 / 24.08.05

bittorrent is your co-pilot.

23:58 / 24.08.05

Weren't there a couple of fairly explicit references to Apocalypse Now in the early scenes with Locke. When he's talking to Jack and Kate at the very beginning he struck a really iconic Col. Kurtz pose? (I wish I had the fu to pull together a gif). Did anyone else notice that? I was chuckling to myself about who Terry O'Quinn fancies himself as, when moments later, Jack says something about travelling into the heart of darkness. And I thought, ooh.
Might have just been me though

06:30 / 25.08.05

But JAck is talking to Kate about 'voulenteering to go back into the heart of darkness', rather than Locke - if there is an intentional reference there, it is tangental...

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14:51 / 25.08.05

But if Jack is the hero it makes sense. Like Kurtz, perhaps Locke has seen the heart of the jungle (Locke talked about the eye of the island?) and made an accomodation with it, even thought it sets him apart from his fellows.

18:37 / 26.08.05

Oi, the kid was reading a Spanish print of DC One Million, just so yez know. I recognised the cover.

21:27 / 26.08.05

Any idea of the issue number Falconer?

22:49 / 26.08.05

Think 'twas one of they foreign reprinto-albums; the cover was either #3 and/or the trade. Justice Legion A lineup on those backgrounds the x-over had.

23:27 / 26.08.05

I just did some quick research on the web and I think that it may be Green Lantern/Flash: Faster Friends instead.
The Polar Bear picture does look similar at least.

14:11 / 28.08.05

Yeah, well the interior art was of Sentinel and Jay Garrick Flash, so you might be right about that. But it was a 1,000,000 cover.

14:31 / 28.08.05

Sounds like a spanish language reprint package that contains a number of issues of JL...

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