BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Football football. Football football.

 
  

Page: 1 ... 56789(10)1112

 
 
astrojax69
02:08 / 23.04.07
i wondered the same thing, mos. seemed to be a legitimate take; all i read was 'a cheeky attempt to tap the ball from the 'keeper was rewarded with a yellow card', then i saw footage and wondered what was wrong... it's not bloody cricket!

as a 'keeper, i was always sure to be away from a forward before letting the ball out of my direct and secure control.


and i notice, messi or no, the spanish league is wide open with barca's loss - six or seven rounds to go and still any of four teams in with a real shot. i'll tip real m. from here.
 
 
astrojax69
09:52 / 10.05.07
so, business end in europe. man u champions in england. will they take the double off chelski? inter in italy.

who will win in germany? spain? europe? anyone fancy the reds against milan? again? should be a right corker of an encounter, but the all-spain eufa cup should be a cracker too (uefa cup finals seem to be more enthralling encounters than the c-league: discuss). that said, i watched the man u / milan games - while i'd love both, if i were to have to choose, i'd have kaka in my squad first over ronaldo. would you?

and what is the press on malaysia and fifa's snub to man u touring while the asian cup of nations [aussies to win!!] is on in july? there is a bit of press about it here, 'cause it's in our region. wondered if it gets much of a mention - and if so, what is being said - in the old dart?

c'mon, you know ya wanna talk about these things!
 
 
Benny the Ball
13:37 / 12.05.07
Never mind all that, Forest are 2-0 up in the semi-first-division-play-offs, and that was the away leg. I'd love to think that we can win three matches in a row, but I just have the feeling deep down that we are going to get done by Oldham at Wembley.
 
 
astrojax69
02:25 / 29.06.07
i'm guessing no-one is arsed about the copa america? brasil being trounced by the interloping mexicans?? dm, no comment? still in pain?

and how about paraguay's five-blot thrashing of the colombians who fancied themselves for the final before today's opener... riquelme and tevez, oh and the rest of the argentinians, comfortable 4-1 winners against the other interlopers, usa. rekkun the argentinians look most likely.

anyone?

henry to barca. anyone? will arsenal even make the europe cut-off next season without him, and without alialidere? (off to fill the duke's boots at boro while duke is with harry and lucas winning the asian cup!) anyone?


and am i the only one to notice the real madrid la liga title was at the expense of a barca team with an almost doubly better goal difference [26 rm - 45 barca] but better head to head. a whole season against all teams and the spanish revert to head to head first. why? anyone?

hullo..??
 
 
astrojax69
03:32 / 26.07.07
where's dead megatron? his mighty brasil won the copa america - 'spect he's still partying!!

and meanwhile, the asian cup continues, after australia's dismal performance then japan being beaten by the saudis and the amazing iraq story! should be a cracker of a final.

epl starts soon - 11 august. there was a post up-thread somewhere (prob circa one year ago!) that gave a code to the 'kings of lith' fantasy league team competition... it has a code for the league and a link to the site. come join the fun!

i love talking to myself...

 
 
Dead Megatron
20:15 / 09.08.07
I knew I was forgeting something...

Yeah, we won, and beating Argentina in football is always fun, but I gotta admit: it was a surprise win. After the first game, when we lost shamefully, with an unexperienced coach (brought in initially only to replace the coach who lead our team to one of our worst perfomances in the World Cup in decades while we lookef for a real coach), and the fact our best player (the Ronaldos and Kaká, specifically) actually asked not to be called for the Cup America, nobody here actually hoped we would win.

But hey, beating Argentina in football is always fun

[missed ya , astro!]
 
 
astrojax69
09:55 / 10.08.07
wasn't it just a surprise! i thought the argentinians looked dead certs, as we say here. that's football - the one day counts.

and on first past the post - europe leagues start this weekend. bring it on...
 
 
Ron Stoppable
16:43 / 10.08.07
Surprise win, DM? I'll say.

Argentina looked sublime in the stages and that was reflected by them scoring a hatful of goals.

Brazil did them in the final and congratulations to them but at what cost? Where was the electrifying, flowing, unorthodox and illuminating football we've come to expect from the best team in the world?

Brazil looked more like England on a good day (and that really is damning you with faint praise!). They strangled the game, ground out possession and played percentage football. There was little flair and plenty of guile. Now, there's nothing wrong with adopting a pragmatic approach when facing a team like Argentina in full flow. In fact, it's a legitimate tactic often used by Argentina themselves but it seems somehow beneath the maestros of the game to resort to that kind of slightly uninspired football. I dunno, if England won anything playing like that, I wouldn't complain!

Sorry if this seems unfair - the plan did work, after all! It's only because my ridiculously romantic image of Brazilian football was created years before I was born; in Mexico, in 1970, in technicolour, in style.

And yes Astro, the Premiership kicks off tomorrow. I'm a Middlesbrough fan and predict a long, hard season of disappointment and mediocrity. Seriously, we're gonna suck. A lot of people have the Boro as relegation prospects and while I hope that isn't the case, you wouldn't bet against us having to scrap it out at the bottom at some point. We always, always start the season badly and I worry that this year, that'll set the tone for the rest of the season.
 
 
astrojax69
05:40 / 11.08.07
at least your lads are in the premiership, ron. poor old palace will have another raw crack at championship promotion [playoffs, most likely best scenario] and will be sure to break hearts again...

what did you make of dukes hoving off to the magpies? i rekkun he'll give them something, owen running off him - might make a good fist of a europe spot.

i want to agree with you, too, about beautiful brasil, but then it is a pragmatists world and beautiful is wonderful if it works, but if a tight hard-at-it style is going to work, try that. (still, i guess stodgy can be done beautifully..?)
 
 
Dead Megatron
16:52 / 11.08.07
Ron, no need for apologies. Believe me, we are all saying the exactly same things about our team. It was an unappealing victory, at best. We are hoping to do better next time. A lot better.

but, hey, beating Argentina is always fun...
 
 
sTe
20:56 / 12.09.07
European championship qualifiers anyone?

Had long ago given up on England ever providing me with any pleasure on the football field in favour of my local team, but in the last two matches, they've... actually... played quite... consistantly... Well

I think SM has luckily found his best side due to some of the so called superstar players being injured. I just hope he has the bottle to keep with a winning team.

Also, was I dreaming or did Scotland beat France away? A massive achievement for such a small nation without anywhere neat the pool of players or facilities to call on. I for one hope they qualify and we can enjoy an England Scotland final next summer
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:33 / 12.09.07
Luis Aragones. Again. Gah!
 
 
sTe
22:17 / 12.09.07
What about him? Didn't see any of the Spain match so not sure if I missed out on something or whether is just a personal irritation?
 
 
astrojax69
04:25 / 01.11.07
poor old palace will have another raw crack at championship promotion [playoffs, most likely best scenario] and will be sure to break hearts again...

well, they'll have araw crack at the promotions next year, when they're relegated to the next division down, at the rate they're trundling along... sheesh!


i see my hearts beat my man mcdonald's celtic, yay! and now fifa have abolished the rotation for world cups, australia will bid for 2018, against old blighty [who are my tip to get it - can't see three wc's in the southern hemisphere in succession...]

any football news of note from anyone? how is becks doing across the pond?
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:37 / 05.11.07
Beckham stayed injured long enough to see LA not make the play-offs, and now has to either train with a European team or wait for next year to do much of anything. Forest seem determined to choke at any opportunity to get out of division one, tactically Calderwood is over-complicated, psychologically the players are incredibly weak.
 
 
astrojax69
19:41 / 09.11.07
now i see mclaren has given him something to keep him occupied.

anyone rekkun israel can upset hiddink's russia? i give them that poor old snowball's, meself...
 
 
Benny the Ball
20:39 / 10.11.07
Russia to go through, nothing to change at FA head quarters - talk of the golden generation repeated next competition....

I can't stand McClaren as a manager, he is inept, dull and weak, but the FA is a mess - the whole charade of dropping outgoing captain to appear tough and then recall him to appear open, yet name the same squad every single time, with only those odd names that are supposed to shock us in there, is ridiculous. England are going nowhere fast.
 
 
astrojax69
08:32 / 11.11.07
rekkun they should have a UK team - with the scots on a rampage and some great players in irish and welsh colours, might get a decent run at winning something!

[just kidding...]


so, will they offer the once-special one (now reduced to a one time low low price, to make sure it absolutely HAS to go this week... or next...) the england gig and would he take it? would he offer anything they don't already have? if england don't get through they should start playing as many friendies as they can with they young lads to get them hardened. the old lads don't seem to have the balls, do they??

btw australia play nigeria next week - any lithers likely to be at - i think - craven cottage to watch? where is that, relative to the middle of london?
 
 
Benny the Ball
15:18 / 11.11.07
Fulham - it's about 30 minutes on the district line (the slow slow district line) from Victoria to Putney Bridge and then a 15 minute walk along the thames path. It's not that far from me, so might go along. It's an okay ground, but old fashioned, a bit fourth division for a Premier club, but can be good fun - plus close to the pitch, which is always good.
 
 
Benny the Ball
15:23 / 11.11.07
Re Jose for England - might be interesting, but the problem lies not with the players (who seem like souless robots at present) or the manager (tactically inept yes man) but with the FA itself - an old boys network more interested in claiming their four hour lunches on expenses and travelling unneccessarily, and keeping the tee-shirt sales coming, and keeping the lower division no-hoper fans into the national team, so that the big four can keep on making the real money at the top of the footballing world. Notice how many England flags have the name of sub-championship teams on them? Or how much more interest there is in a game held in the middlands or north east than to those at old trafford - the perenial under achievers rather than the big boys.

Phew - rant over....
 
 
astrojax69
18:27 / 15.11.07
cheer for me too, then, mr the ball... australia 2 nigeria 1, 's my tip.

and i rekkun israel 0, russia 0, too, btw. might be dead wrong on that one.


otherwise, our young lads [olyroos] have the,/i> critical game this weekend, against iraq at home - we have to win to to ensure qualification for beijing - we're level on points but behind on goals with a game each in hand, but they've got a gimme, so we have to win this one. most important game for australian football since aloisi hit the penalty against urugauy, they're saying. i wonder if their memory is a little short, given the matilda's games in the recent world cup, but who's counting..?

c'anrastraylya....

(damn, just heard on the wireless that timmy cahill is out - his leveller 'gainst chelski was the goal of the season, i rekkun - anyone beg to differ?
 
 
astrojax69
18:29 / 15.11.07
ahh, just meant to italicise 'the'... dang typos!
 
 
astrojax69
21:03 / 17.11.07
typos aside, the lads did 'emselves proud - as they say in football!

in fact, both 'styrlyan teams had good wins, in entertaining games - from cottage accounts. i watched the olyroos in a delayed telecast last night not having seen any scores, the boys took the game to iraq and outplayed them in most facets of the game and came away with a well deserved 2-0 win which could have been three or four with a little more luck and guile here and there. very promising for the future full socceroos squad, especially given the result they had against nigeria.

(did you get along, mr the ball?)

trent mclenahan, who i think the commentators said was in the sheffield squad[??] is a young lad to watch. and the captain milligan is a sure future socceroo leader. fab-o night for aussie football! means they olyroos go to the freezing north korean capital on wednesday and play on artificial turf needing just a point to secure a place at the beijing games. iraq meanwhile host lebanon, for which they should easily account, but football is a funny game. those two goals were their first conceded in the last two phases of qualification, and teams have been known to reel after shocks like that - esp given the senior team's great win in the asian cup recently; a lot of expectations can play games with ya head...
 
 
Benny the Ball
10:50 / 18.11.07
Sadly not, I got called into work, so didn't have the time - shame really - I haven't been to a good game for years.

Stupid Russia, now Wednesday becomes less a spectical of bad management and more a backs-to-the-walls, that's what JT's all about, three-lions bollocks. Hope it all goes wrong...

Plus, FA - england vs Austria, why? Money? Idiots! And why play first choice strikers who are prone to injury when you haven't tried out any replacements, with Rooney out and Owen unhealthy, why not throw Crouch and Defoe on for a game, and then try some others? The man's a moron or an arch-yes man with the FA calling the shots. IDIOTS!
 
 
astrojax69
22:28 / 24.11.07
does no-one have any comments on your wish beinf fulfilled, mr the ball - it all went 'orribly wrong for the three lions, and probably means we won't see guus back coaching the socceroos in a hurry. word is england might get klinsman - his name has been bandied about for the socceroos, but frankly you're welcome to him.

i'd prefer martin jol. or gerard houllier.
 
 
Benny the Ball
09:57 / 25.11.07
I must say, glad to see the back of McClaren - he wasn't up to the job. Wish the same could be done with the FA. Tactically inept - playing a lone striket at home with a rookie goalkeeper behind a rookie back 4, no one able to cross the ball to the lone striker, no one willing to run onto the few balls that Crouch managed to pull down - Barry misussed, Gerrard mislayed, Lampard missing. Keeping Bridge on for the 2nd half was a mistake, Barry can play there, why not drop him back? Why play a different formation from that played in the friendly a few days before? What is the point?


Okay, what and who's next?

Well - Klinsman I'd take long term, but book him on a 3 year contract until the end of the world cup - if we make it. No more panic contracting. But there isn't a rush. We don't have a match until Feb. I'd ask someone with experience on coaching both old and young players and start a hand over period - set up a load of friendlies and play under 21's and youngsters, saving the old guard for qualifiers and tell them to keep fit and focus on club and european football - time for Walcott to get a run, Baines, Lennon - give Lescott and Carson more games. Give Beckham his 100th cap as a thank you. I'd put Redknapp there as a caretaker while the search continues, see how he goes in a few games and what his about - he has ample experience with a wide age group, and could be brilliant for the transition - it he does well enough, then let him stay, but remember that age is an issue, and a) we need to prepare younger coaches for the role, and b) we need to think about the future.

I would also say that the tabloids have a big part to play in the faliure of England - pushing Errikson (I didn't rate him, but he stabalised) before a new person was around, pissed off some of the possible candidates until FA paniced and gave McClaren a big contract... bad bad bad.

Anyway, onwards and upwards.

Soccoroo's can have Jol, I think he'd do great!
 
 
astrojax69
04:14 / 30.11.07
seems like the aussie FFA is prevaricating - we asked guus back but, like the computer, he's said 'nooo..' we want fifa to slap some sort of ban on dick advocaat, but can't see what that acheives anyway. pim verbeek is in the frame according to some pundits but haven't seen any other names that FFA have made enquiries of.

and now we've got a hard road ahead with a tough group in AFC qualifiers and two dates not on fifa-sanctioned days, so we'll likely try to get the qatar and iraq away games played in the mid-east on thsoe dates, though if i were qatar and iraq FAs i'd be like that computer!

ah, fun and games, eh?
 
 
astrojax69
17:40 / 07.12.07
and bingo - astro hits the mark! pim verbeek is now australia's gaffer. phew!
 
 
astrojax69
19:49 / 15.12.07
...and on gaffers, england have appointed fabio capello.

he is the single best thing to happen to english football for yonks. discuss.
 
 
Benny the Ball
08:32 / 16.12.07
Pro's - he is of a good age to settle into the task at hand and not be distracted by the lure of big club football (see Sven and Jose), he is tactically minded, so might be able to impart some of this onto the next generation of England players, doesn't suffer fools - see 70% of the England squad - is hard working and expects his teams to be the same, and might be able to shack some of that old fear out of the players minds (much as Sven did upon his arrival, at least against Germany and Argentina).
Con's - his arrival buys the FA time and means that their so called shake up from root to branch isn't going to happen. There is a risk that he won't shake up the establishment as much as Jose seemed ready to say he would.

I'm pretty tired of all the nonsense about 'un Englush mun nuuds thu jub' from Paul Ince and the like - the last English man appointed was awful from start to finish, there are no decent English managers because they are all of a generational mind set of good player, good manager, and very few of them take the time to learn about the modern game. Paul Ince has done wonders in the two teams he has coached, good for him, I hope he develops as a manger, but it's a different world at world level from 4th divsion football where a team talk tends to go along the lines of 'right, it's still nil-nil, there's all to play for, show your hearts, get amoungst them' repeated week in week out.
 
 
astrojax69
00:56 / 06.02.08
internationals time - becks out of the england squad giving the swiss their warm up for hosting the competition england wish they'd done better in...

but more critically - for mine - the socceroos commence their 2010 world cup campaign at home against qatar, who import much of their team (which for a population of about 900k isn't a bad strategy, but perhaps we could have a whole thread on whether fifa ought to allow this blatant flaunting of the spirit of genuine competition between nations and their nationals...). we've got new dutch guru pim verbeek in the manager's box for his first hit out with a europe-based sqaud who have seen him for about 40hrs - or more like 90 mins - before trying to settle into a rythym for a critical game.

will be at the pub watching as it is on pay-tv. i thought this is what we had sbs for, but i guess i'm whingeing to the converted?

how many others suffer their national team's critical world cup qualifiers on pay-tv?

anyway, i'm tipping with scott mcdonald banging them in nearly every week for the hoops, and our man timmy cahill popping up at the best possible moments, we'll overcome the dramas and get a result - i tip 2-0.


this thread has become a little [all right, a lot] untended from all but me and occasionally mr the ball. should we kill it?
 
 
The Idol Rich
10:30 / 06.02.08
this thread has become a little [all right, a lot] untended from all but me and occasionally mr the ball. should we kill it?

No don't do that. I'm going to be watching the England friendly tonight although more to see a few friends than with any genuine excitement I fear. One good thing is that Capello will have a bit of time to get to grips with the side without facing any big pressure games but (perhaps immaturely) I find it hard to get too worked up about friendlies when the rest of the continent is looking forward to a major tournament.
How do you mean "import" by the way? Are you saying that the players in question have no connection whatsoever to the country?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:37 / 06.02.08
How do you mean "import" by the way? Are you saying that the players in question have no connection whatsoever to the country?

Kind of thing, although it's not quite like that. There's a brilliant interview with Singapore's John Wilkinson about this. Essentially, as a result of a change in FIFA rules, nations are able to offer national team places to naturalised citizens - I think there's a naturalised German player who was born in Brazil without German ancestry, and I have a feeling Miroslaw Klose might have a similar set-up, but I could be wrong. Some smaller footballing nations have taken greater advantage of this.

Reminds me of the Big Chief Wayne Allison turning out for the Cayman Islands...
 
 
The Idol Rich
13:34 / 06.02.08
Kind of thing, although it's not quite like that. There's a brilliant interview with Singapore's John Wilkinson about this. Essentially, as a result of a change in FIFA rules, nations are able to offer national team places to naturalised citizens - I think there's a naturalised German player who was born in Brazil without German ancestry, and I have a feeling Miroslaw Klose might have a similar set-up, but I could be wrong. Some smaller footballing nations have taken greater advantage of this.

Good stuff.
I know that qualifying to play for a national side has always been pretty loose but I didn't know that it had been loosened further. I guess that it will have limited effectiveness at any except the lowest level as you are only going to play for a country you've got no link to if you can't get in your own side - or are you, maybe in the future countries will be vying for the best players just like clubs (how Portuguese is Deco for example). Even if it is restricted to the minnows it's hardly cricket is it? Hang on a minute though, it was cricket that pioneered this kind of business...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:22 / 06.02.08
It's interesting - I can't see it affecting anyone outside the minnows, precisely because you'd have to give up any thought not just of representing your national side but also, probably, ever _playing_ your national side, or a side which has resonance for you. The Cayman Islands players were derided as mercenaries when they did it, but perhaps times change.

Having said which, the Republic of Ireland in the 80s and 90s reached a degree of eminence by getting people with tenuous (but still credible - usually one Irish-born grandparent) links to the Republic - John Aldridge, Andy Townsend and Jason McAteer - to acquire dual Irish/English nationality and play for them, and became a team that got to the World Cup finals (and beat Italy). Chris Armstrong, after people stopped tipping him for the England squad even in jest, flirted with Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and I think Barbados. John Fashanu might have turned out for Nigeria, had it not been mentioned that, no, he actually _had_ played for England, believe it or not, and I think Efan Ekoku did. Owen Hargreaves is effectively Canadian but has dual citizenship, Ryan Giggs captained the England Under-15s... I think it might just get more shameless in the lower levels. And, of course, Deco became a Portuguese citizen having never been to Portugal before he joined Benfica at 19, and can compete at the highest level and potentially play Brazil in World cups...

The rules, as I understand them, are that a player has to be a birth or naturalised citizen of a country, and must either have been born there or have lived there for two years (like John Wilkinson) - often you have to live somewhere for three years to become a citizen, so this is already accomplished. This ruling was put in place after Qatar, which is where we came in, made citizens of three Brazilian players who lived and played in Germany and had no connection to Qatar, in order to whack them into the team, essentially as a financial transaction - the national team's version of Qatar's status as the new Japan/USA for over-the-hill European legends.

Britain's a bit different, because you can't have English, Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish citizenship. So, to avoid any Brit being able to choose a home nation at will, creating in effect a straight league of ability (England, then Scotland, then Wales, then NI), it is decided by where you were born and where your parents and grandparents were born - I could play for England or Wales but not Scotland or NI. If you are a citizen, but you, your parents and your grandparents were all born outside the country, you can take your pick - which was where Chris Armstrong came in, as he was a citizen but had not been born in Britain, and nor had any of his parents or grandparents, so he could have played for any home nation.
 
  

Page: 1 ... 56789(10)1112

 
  
Add Your Reply