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All Acting Regiment
19:12 / 18.10.05
Now he sends private messages, the content of which is slightly worrying. I'm going to post it here, but if that's inapropriate I'm sure it ca nbe rectified.

subject: Loutidh Bullies

message: get greased.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:14 / 18.10.05
Yes, me too. Gosh I feel special.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
19:19 / 18.10.05
Interesting to consider the freudian subtext in the term "get greased". Practical to consider how we'll deal with Mr M, though. Anyone?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:20 / 18.10.05
Morph has posted to the 'Atlantic Hurricane Season' thread laughing about 'Florida is going to get smashed. Haahaaa.' Have moved to delete.
 
 
Ganesh
19:29 / 18.10.05
Mmm, fair enough. If that's all Morpheus is posting, and he's posting it again and again, then it gets kinda difficult to defend him.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:52 / 04.11.05
I lost track a long time ago. Is ReformedRobotMan now Layla? Tune in next aeon to find out...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:17 / 04.11.05
RRM's not really a problem, is ze? That suit's calmed right down over the years - will pop up twice a year to blather a little bit in a manner that's not a million miles away from being self-parody, but spends the rest of the time in hibernation waiting for the day when ze's called to be part of the great psychic judiciary.

Doesn't seem much point or benefit in scratching that particular scab.
 
 
Ganesh
20:11 / 04.11.05
The last ReformedRobotMan was not Layla. Not sure about this one. It's a shared suit, with at least three occasional inhabitants, so it must be reassessed every time it appears.
 
 
Ganesh
20:14 / 04.11.05
Okay, this one seems to be Ms L.
 
 
w1rebaby
12:02 / 05.11.05
How can you tell?

Do you smell them?
 
 
Ganesh
12:59 / 05.11.05
Style and content.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
17:04 / 05.11.05
The third of the occasional inhabitants, incidentally, PMed me a few months back to say that ze no longer has anything to do with the RRM stuff and has more or less renounced all hir posts from the backwhen. Seems pretty sincere to me, and the proof has been in the posting.

Which just leaves us with the milkybread one and the psychicnoncereptile one.
 
 
Ganesh
17:49 / 05.11.05
Or perhaps the calciumosteoporosis one (who seemed moderately sensible, really) and Laila (who, erm, doesn't).
 
 
Triplets
23:08 / 05.11.05
I thought shared suits were frowned upon?

(Unless you're saying RR has three personalities?)
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:22 / 06.11.05
It's more one person having many suits rather than many people having one suit really. After all I think we still have the number of posts per day limit in place, so if three people wanted to post guff from one suit that wouldn't be much of a problem. If RRM were to start posting loads of crap then that becomes an issue just like anyone else posting loads of crap.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:57 / 07.11.05
On the other hand, this particular suit is being used by somebody who is citing the protocols of the Elders of Zion and claiming that Jews are immune from prosecution. So, either the sane owner of the suit changes the password and locks Laila out, or we should ban it. Dissents?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:13 / 07.11.05
I say a booting- (I seem to be becoming more hard-nosed in my old age... that's quite strange) I need to give the last post a better reading (I've tried, but I just glaze over about two sentences in)- from a quick skim, it seems we've crossed the line into outright anti-Semitism, and I'm fairly certain that's A Bad Thing.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:20 / 07.11.05
On reading it I'd be inclined to point that specific post out to Tom and let him decide whether it's anti-Semitic enough to give RRM/Laila the boot. The reason I say this is that without the buzzword of the PoZ the Jewish references seem to be historical brainwrongs rather than Anti-Semticism, and the thing about Jews being immune from prosecution just bizzarre.

The thing is, unless I'm getting this mixed up, at least one of the users of the RRM suit knows that the Protocols are a load of crap. I thought it was Laila but presumably it's not.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:22 / 07.11.05
It's also worth noting that this individual really isn't very well. Is allowing hir to disseminate and discuss hir 'theories' on the board likely to have a positive effect on hir wellbeing, given that ze's likely to be alternately antagonised by sceptics and egged on by the credulous?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:28 / 07.11.05
To be honest, personally I'm not too bothered about said individual's mental well-being (I have my callous head on today, it would seem, and will probably feel a right cunt when I read this post again tomorrow) and would just rather they fucked off and were ill somewhere else. Same result, I guess, MC, but different reasoning.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:31 / 07.11.05
Well, that too, of course.
 
 
Ganesh
17:09 / 07.11.05
It's Laila, she's evidently not well, poking her with sticks is Not A Good Thing. Locking the thread and, if necessary, banning the suit would be doing all concerned a favour.

Not so much getting more fascistic in our old age, I don't think; more having a strong sense of where engaging with this stuff gets us.
 
 
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17:41 / 07.11.05
it might all be shits and giggles to you ReformedRobbiewilliamsFan, but poor old eon could literally spend the next ten years of his life in the strange little paranoid void you've just spouted. he's only eight years old and this thing can be kind of frightening - especially given that you've basically just said he's lunch for the Masters of the Planet!

I'm trying to work out what was the stranger post, RRM's second one or this from Gumbitch. I still didn't get any links either, and am glad that I'll probably be wasting a lot less time without them.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:39 / 07.11.05
Not so much getting more fascistic in our old age, I don't think; more having a strong sense of where engaging with this stuff gets us.

Thank you, 'nesh.... it sounds much better when you put it like that.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:54 / 21.02.06
I've moved for this post to be deleted. It said:

haus, you are an idiot. your quotes from me are out of context, and your understanding of what i'm saying is flawed. if thats my fault, i apologize. if it's your fault, i'm sure you'll blame it on me. thanks for advancing the topic of the thread yet again.

I honestly can't be fucked with ShadowSax anymore, and I don't care if anyone thinks we're biased, or unfair, or intolerant, or whatever. If anyone has a decent argument as to why that post should be left where it is, I'd love to hear it, but you'll never convince me that the board gains anything by the presence of this utter steaming shitwad and his ignorant drivel.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:20 / 21.02.06
I'd suggest rather moving his second post for deletion as blatant threadrot, and also moving to delete my lengthy quote of his earlier threadrot just above it.
 
 
ShadowSax
16:25 / 21.02.06
hi fly.

i'm not sure how i am specifically promoting drivel in any way other than simply advancing opinions. if you're concerned about the "you are an idiot" phrase, i'm simply responding in kind. i have ignored several offtopic attacks towards me, and not talked about them, responded to them, or brought them to an admin level in any way. i can see people disagreeing with me, but i'm not sure how my behavior is out of context.

please, if anyone has specific things to discuss with me or if i'm completely being off base, i'm happy to talk. i've been contacted directly on pm for some things, and havent been told in general that i'm violating something. the only critiques i've gotten within threads are pretty insulting, and this seems based on one opinion i expressed in one thread about feminism, which some took to extend to women in general. seriously, i'm not trying to cause problems, i'm just a writer with a boring fecking day job looking to talk about stuff.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:50 / 21.02.06
i'm not sure how i am specifically promoting drivel in any way other than simply advancing opinions.

Yeah, that pretty much covers it, Saxy. Your opinions are drivel. Sorry, but that's sort of it. We are hoping for a better level of discussion, and you are not providing it, and are not providing it in an unusually aggressive, rude and stupid way. The "Fathers 4 Justice" thread is a good example - you start by making it clear that you have no interest in talking to people who don't agree with you. You then spout unsupported nonsense for about six pages before finallly being brought to bay by people prepared to engage with facts, at which point you... Google for "evil child-stealing bitches" and whack in unsupported non-facts or fragments from articles you have clearly not read in their entirety. As it happpens, you also reveal yourself not really to believe that women deserve the same respect you accord yourself (it is not a misunderstanding of your attitude towards feminism that is getting you called a misogynist - it is an understanding of your attitude towards women, one which is rather more subtle than your own). Eventually, you drop out in the face of people who actually have any idea what they are talking about, having tried to squirt enough ink out of your arse that the average run of people you meet on ladiesnolikeyBBS would be bamboozled.

If we look at your contribution to the thread on Google in China, we see something similar. Giving the lie to the old maxim that opinions are like arseholes by ahving several, you again fart out a glorious serenade of opinion without once bothering to find out anything about what is actually going on. Faced with any sort of factual information, you respond just as you did in "Fathers 4 Justice" - by getting snippy, passive-aggressive and defensive.

You vary your routine in the Islamophobia thread by trolling a supplement of fact (in this case regarding the location of Ethiopia) to an opinion not even yours, so that you can keep trying to insult me even when I am ignoring you. You have become what we call a de facto troll - somebody whose contributions are so poor that they have the same effect as somebody setting out to ruin threads, just by dint of being incredibly dim.

As it happens, you also reveal some very dodgy ideas about women and furriners in these threads, and make it clear that you have no interest in examining them. But hey, who's counting?

If you are indeed a writer, I can only suggest that you concentrate on one of two skills often ascribed to that noble breed - either research or learning how to use capital letters. Either of these skills will improve your writing. One in particular may improve your experience of Barbelith.
 
 
ShadowSax
17:10 / 21.02.06
haus,

i'd see where you were coming from if actually you ever made reference to anything i said without looking at it out of context or with a complete lack of understanding, preferring to read what you want to read and believing what you want to believe instead of actually taking what i'm saying at its face.

it's a good example that you decide to critique my posts in terms of my being a writer, hoping i approach writing with more care than i approach posting here. it's presumptive to think otherwise, but of course i do. just like your presumptions that i dislike women because i dislike feminist politics. you dont hesitate to make great leaps in logic in order to attack me, yet you cant bring yourself to accept simple statements without detailed footnotes. you're engaging in the same stereotyping you've accused me of. you cant put a sentence together without trying to put your pseudo intelligence and detached psychology on display, and without trying to cut thru people for no reason other than the fact that you disagree with them or find their opinion or statement or semantics distasteful. i apologize for bringing the level of discourse down for you. what you fail to realize is that some people like to talk to other people in order to hash out ideas, exchange thoughts and talk thru things, whereas your apparent reason for talking with people is to show them how much better than them you are. you cant even respond to an honest post of mine with something thoughtful and respectful. you have to throw in insults wherever they might fit. in that islamophobia thread, i tried to post something that would hopefully try to get things back on track, and you responded with a massive diatribe full of misquotes, snarky comments, and nothing that could fit in with a group of people trying to understand one another.

thats all.
 
 
Char Aina
17:14 / 21.02.06
haus said:
As it happpens, you also reveal yourself not really to believe that women deserve the same respect you accord yourself (it is not a misunderstanding of your attitude towards feminism that is getting you called a misogynist - it is an understanding of your attitude towards women, one which is rather more subtle than your own).

and then shadowsax said:
just like your presumptions that i dislike women because i dislike feminist politics.

and it put me in mind once more of haus, who had also just said:
a de facto troll - somebody whose contributions are so poor that they have the same effect as somebody setting out to ruin threads, just by dint of being incredibly dim.

if you are reading people's posts, SS, how do you acount for your completely missing that first quote?
was it wilful?
or did you not read it properly first time round?
 
 
ShadowSax
17:21 / 21.02.06
toksik, haus's conclusion about my opinions about women in general were presumptions, assuming to read into my comments things about me which dont exist.

if you're unclear about anything else you've read of mine, things that would, in the course of a thread, result in some tangental wanderings, please contact me directly. i try to be as consistent as possible and, tho it's possible that i mis-typed somewhere, it's also likely that you're misunderstanding me, and i'd hate my lack of clarity to disrupt an otherwise constructive line of discussion.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
17:23 / 21.02.06
Can somebody with more barba-credibillity than myself please help make this stop? It's getting out of hand, no?

Haus, Flyboy, Shadowsax, etc: at the risk of sounding annoying, may I suggest you all back away and come back to the threads in question when you've had plenty of time to cool off and have enough distance from the threads to re-read them with fresh eyes and calmer minds? It's worked for me in the past. Honest.

*ducks*
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:24 / 21.02.06
Ah, the defendant dons a suit.
 
 
Char Aina
17:30 / 21.02.06
i would contact you privately, only i am not convinced that your points are clear to everyone but me.

haus's conclusion about my opinions about women in general were presumptions, assuming to read into my comments things about me which dont exist.


haus' conclusion is presumptious, you say.
show us how.

show rather than just tell, if at all possible.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
17:38 / 21.02.06
Ah, the defendant dons a suit.

Nah, can't wear 'em; they feel too much like uniforms.

I'll get my coat instead...
 
  

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