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13:18 / 19.05.05

Sorry to post this here, not sure where who to pm about dodgy threads. But please have a look at Quimper666's new thread in Temple.

Thank you

13:54 / 19.05.05

Agreed it's fairly pointless.

There's a thread for moderation requests in the Policy here which questions like this can go in, or else you can PM a relevant forum moderator.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

15:34 / 19.05.05

I'm already proposed the move. Incidentally, aren't we all done reaching out to this waste of space? All he ever seems to do is swing by every few months, post some random bits of text ganked from someone else's website, and say "meta" a lot.

11:22 / 20.05.05

I'm all for giving hir the boot.

Tryphena Absent

13:07 / 20.05.05

I dunno, banning seems like a waste of energy. Two threads isn't really spam, is it?? Or, like, it's really only one dinnerplate.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

01:08 / 21.05.05

Two threads, no. However, this effort has form. We get this crap every few months: quimper turns up, cut-and-pastes some random quotes into an apology for a thread, then does it another half-a-dozen times because it was soooo funny the first time. I think there's been some progress (in that ze's stopped talking about raping babies) but I fear that the condition is terminal.

07:02 / 21.05.05

Can someone link to the threads in question?

10:30 / 21.05.05

here are quimper's latest threads:

Hmmm

We're drowning in information

and some older threads....

THE META REALM

A serious thread please

META TRUTH

quimper didn't start this one, but they posted in it:
Welcome to the counter culture

Meta rape

yet another one that quimper didn't start, but posted in:
My pet servitor

Morrison and eco

Mind Rape

Meta

What is magic? Self willed brain change, changes on a sub atomic level or something else all together?

don't bother with this thread, because the only thing quimper says in it is, "I wouldn't like to be living in Iran right about now.":
I-Snogged-UR-Nation

this one seems benign, too:
KING FELIX

15:41 / 21.05.05

quimper didn't start this one, but they posted in it

Heh, they probably describes quimper666 better than any of us have managed to do.

Tryphena Absent

17:15 / 21.05.05

Well it depends whether on balance you think it's really troublesome or not- I think the real question is, is Quimper going to be able to get back onto the board if banned? If he does manage it will it turn into more of a shitstorm than the one that's kind of, almost occuring now?

18:51 / 21.05.05

Isn't this what the ignore button is for?
If you don't wish to participate in one of quimper666's threads (and let's not mix him up with quimper: profile 1830) it would probably be a good idea to stop posting in them.
My opinion Barbelith loves it.

12:02 / 22.05.05

The ignore button won't stop the board from looking like a troll-ridden mess as far as non-members are concerned.

12:57 / 22.05.05

Okay I didn't think about it in that light before. But swelling these threads in size with neo-trolling doesn't really make for a tidy board either, and it seems to me that some complainants have just as much fun in them as Morpheus, so doesn't mass participation make them non trollish really? And I think maybe that these threads would have died on their arse without such participation.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

07:49 / 06.08.05

Sadly, this problem has not gone away. Quimper is now called macrophage but does not appear to have changed in any other way and is still posting this stuff. Difference being, it's not just confined to hir own threads anymore--ze's seen fit to go through the Temple injecting hir own special brand of tosh into many otherwise solid threads. Take this, for example, a typical macrophage/quimper666 post including homophobic slurs. (Ah, but as we see here, macrophage is not homophobic but is a victimised bisexual, which presumably makes everything all right.) Or the fact that he's seen fit to post stuff like this to half the rune threads:

"Interstingly I forgot all about this rune and used it as "Splicer" Astral Weapon like a Mad Max Boomerang. I got into the Runes really young and then gave it up. Took it back again though easier than the I GIng (smelly feet) and the Tarot. I'm not too clued into alot of the Runes as I should get - saw someone with an peace sign on their handbag made me froth - divined it as a portal to a life in the after life getting fucked by a huge horse. Ah the sweetness of obsesions!!! Boss Hog exclaiming "Yew Better Believe It Boyyy!!!!" with a Flavour Flav kitchen clock hanging around his sacrifcial neck!!"

All hir posts are pretty much like this. The above is mercifully a lot shorter than some of the half- or full-page tracts ze's seen fit to imflict elsewhere.

I've attempted to remonstrate with this poster; I'd adopted a more conciliatory approach, attempting to engage with macrophage, inviting hir to work on hir posting style and general behaviour. No dice.

For all its faults, I believe that the Temple is one of the very finest places of its kind on the net. I believe that its standards ought to be upheld. I see this poster as having an entirely negative impact and I'd like to know what action should be taken to curtail this.

(Hear that plangent twanging sound on the night air? My. Last. Nerve.)

Our Lady Has Left the Building

08:14 / 06.08.05

Well, I'm quite happy to delete any posts that seem content free in any of the fora I moderate if other moderators are doing the same... As this started out in the Temple could one of their mods PM Tom to draw his attention to this thread as to whether he's enough of a nuisance to warrant being banned?

Less searchable M0rd4nt

08:23 / 06.08.05

Will do.

Regrettable Juvenilia

18:47 / 06.08.05

I've been deleting idiotic posts by pratophage in the Head Shop and Switchboard when I see them, and will continue to do so. I would agree that ideally we should throw him off the board.

Regrettable Juvenilia

18:55 / 06.08.05

Which is to say, I've only been moving to delete the clearly obnoxious or entirely tangential posts by him, not everything he's posted.

ONLY NICE THINGS

20:46 / 06.08.05

Broken window effect. Although demonstrably not based on having read the thread, or any real interest in the topic, I was letting this one go, but unfortunately the thing about idiotic comments is that they tend to rot threads if anyone responds to them. Thoughts?

Tryphena Absent

23:14 / 06.08.05

It's on topic, if a little anecdotal. I would suggest that the response is more foolish than macrophage's post in this instance.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

23:23 / 06.08.05

Thing is, people ARE going to respond to them (I've been guilty of it myself, and I challenge anyone in this thread to say they've never done so themselves). Not quite sure how to deal with that- the obvious answer is "don't respond" but, let's face it, that's just not gonna happen...

The post itself is indeed somewhat on-topic (and, yes, anecdotal) but people are getting pissed-off enough that a facetious response is not just likely, but nigh-on inevitable. And I can't honestly say I blame them, y'know?

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

23:24 / 06.08.05

I think what I was trying to say there is that unless we can get 5,000-odd people to agree that the best response is no response, AND resist the urge ourselves, then unhelpful responses are going to happen.

Tryphena Absent

23:25 / 06.08.05

But that's not a reason to delete something unless we're performing a board-wide eradication of his posts.

Tryphena Absent

23:36 / 06.08.05

I also think that this is where forum specific moderation becomes important, we've got to post in order to shoot down any responses that seem to be taking a track that will rot threads.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

23:38 / 06.08.05

Oh no, I wasn't saying it was. I was just saying I don't think there IS a quick and easy solution (delete 'em all, etc) to a problem like this. My personal policy (as a mod, rather than as a poster) is, like Flyboy's, to delete 'em when they're bollocks in and of themselves (in Switchboard)- which is, admittedly, most of them. It's just that "don't feed the trolls", while good advice, is unlikely to be followed by everyone. And unless it's followed by everyone, it's fairly pointless as a strategy. Trolls can live on practically nothing, you know, hardy creatures that they are.

I wasn't proposing a solution, just pointing out how difficult it is to find one.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

23:42 / 06.08.05

Oh, cross-posted there. Your second post, about forum-specific modding, I am in total agreement with (if I understand it right). This particular problem seems largely Templetastic, though there've been outbreaks in Switchboard and Conversation too. And Headshop). I think it's (apart from being a problem, obviously) a pretty good example of why having people modding fora they specifically care about is a good idea (I know that's a different discussion, but it seems fairly relevant here).

Tryphena Absent

23:44 / 06.08.05

Oh I didn't really think you were suggesting that as a solution, I was just pointing out how difficult it is to react to these things. I think we just have to try and head off the spread of idiocy.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

23:54 / 06.08.05

Fair enough. (Hey! I started a post without "oh"! Yay me!!!) I think you're right- all we can effectively do right now is send in the guys in combats and facemasks who jump out of helicopters (containment) rather than nuking the village (eradication, I guess)- as far as I can tell, that is all we can do. Not sure if it's ideal, but without calling in an airstrike (as it were), I think we have to do the best with that that we can. And see how it goes.

Do people think that's working so far? I don't think it's working too badly... though as I say, it's not ideal.

Tryphena Absent

23:59 / 06.08.05

I think it's working outside Temple. People shouldn't be shy of shunting threads off to other fora immediately if they feel they don't fit. It's just another method of containment.

I like your military thing. Must buy myself boots to put on when performing moderation actions.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

06:50 / 07.08.05

Of course we could always ask the people who respond if they don't mind having their replies deleted when they are just a reply or edited if it's only part of their response... I don't know in this case, yes it is anecdotal and yes it is bollocks, but it is also in the vague area of the topic so... This is why we need the 'is he a bad enough troll that we wouldn't mind him being kicked off the board' discussion with the 'is Tom happy with that?' follow-up.

07:05 / 08.08.05

I've been deleting idiotic posts by pratophage in the Head Shop and Switchboard when I see them, and will continue to do so. I would agree that ideally we should throw him off the board

I'm going to follow this line of action with any of pratophage's post in The Temple, unless they are coherent and on topic. Judging from previous posts, they won't be. Showing no consideration for any other posters or attempt to engage with anyone else, writing pages and pages or is trolling, basically. I'd add that I also would be more than happy to see him thrown off.

09:36 / 08.08.05

Didn't realise he was still causing problems in the Temple; he's not that active elsewhere, the odd nonsense post which people just ignore. I'll take a look and bear that in mind when thinking about him overall.

ONLY NICE THINGS

10:32 / 08.08.05

I don't know - he's a net negative to Barbelith, basically, but probably not such a net negative that he has to be systematically excluded. It might make sense to warn him in-thread or by PM that if he doesn't show evidence of having read and responding to the thread, which is my problem with his contributions to the Head Shop - he clearly reads the topic title and then bundles in without bothering to read either anyone else's posts or indeed his own before posting it up - his post and anyone's post that responds to it on its level will be moved for deletion.

Arguably there is actually something wrong with his brane, and how we deal with people with mental health problems or disabilities is one of those ongoing Barbelith discussions...

10:42 / 11.08.05

I think his effect on the Temple is much more pronounced than elsewhere. It's a drag, I'm with Mordant. I had no idea until now Macro was Quimper666, how long does it have to go on for?

01:31 / 15.08.05

Are we certain of that? Did ze have multiple suits, or slip in under the radar of the new system?

I would think that the unauthorized return of a banned poster on a duplicate suit should be a bannable offense in and of itself...

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